Is This What It's Like?

No I dont think so....

Most people in this country dont care about anything unless
it affects them... If the country legalized murder, thy
wouldn't care, as long as they are safe in their homes
eating Pizza Hut pizza.

As far as opinions are concerned, the majority of people
think that

myself, consider it to be wrong, and I think that it is a
mental disorder like Bipoler, or Chronic Depression... But
no scientists are bold enough to come out with a type of
medicine to cure "gayness".

"SwStudio" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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This was typed out yesterday by our esteemed 'tenkbabe'.
It kind of shocked me. I need to know, is this generally
the way people feel in the US, particularly Bush
supporters?

quote: "tenkbabe"

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spreads disease and dysfunction. It should not be
validated with

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/unquote

Sorry for being off-topic. This is just more than a little
disturbing, though, and I'd like the truth. It's
important.

cheers,
--
David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most
insecure people are the ones you see, putting other people
down constantly."

"Kevin Lietz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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No I dont think so....

Most people in this country dont care about anything
unless it affects them... If the country legalized murder,
thy wouldn't care, as long as

they

Quoted message said:

are safe in their homes eating Pizza Hut pizza.

As far as opinions are concerned, the majority of people
think that

Quoted message said:

myself, consider it to be wrong, and I think that it is a
mental disorder like Bipoler, or Chronic Depression... But
no scientists are bold enough

to

Quoted message said:

come out with a type of medicine to cure "gayness".

Thanks for your opinion.

Okay, so that's two people that feel that being gay is a
"disorder" that is "wrong" and needs to be "cured".

I'm frankly shocked if this is the prevailing attitude in
the US. It's very disturbing, to say the least.

cheers,
--
David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most
insecure people are the ones you see, putting other people
down constantly."

"SwStudio" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
: "Kevin Lietz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
: > No I dont think so....
: >
: > Most people in this country dont care about anything
: > unless it affects them... If the country legalized
: > murder, thy wouldn't care, as long as
: they
: > are safe in their homes eating Pizza Hut pizza.
: >
: > As far as opinions are concerned, the majority of people
: > think that

: > myself, consider it to be wrong, and I think that it is
: > a mental
disorder
: > like Bipoler, or Chronic Depression... But no scientists
: > are bold enough
: to
: > come out with a type of medicine to cure "gayness".
:
:
:
: Thanks for your opinion.
:
: Okay, so that's two people that feel that being gay is a
: "disorder" that is "wrong" and needs to be "cured".
:
: I'm frankly shocked if this is the prevailing attitude in
: the US. It's very disturbing, to say the least.
:
:
:
: cheers,
: --
: David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most
: insecure people are the ones you see, putting other people
: down constantly."
:

"mental disorder" is not the prevailing opinion. Most of us
who have had gay friends, though, have seen the trend-
almost all of the men I've known who were gay had no father
in the home. And the majority were abused at

great guy and her life has radically changed. Including her
outlook- which is now positive. She feels good about herself
and her life- which she never did before...(And yes, it was
a "God-thing" that changed her life)

Regardless, I don't believe in looking down upon or in any
way being hateful towards those who are different from me or
think differently. I hope you feel the same.

"SwStudio" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

This was typed out yesterday by our esteemed 'tenkbabe'.
It kind of shocked me. I need to know, is this generally
the way people feel in the US, particularly Bush
supporters?

Unfortunately, probably yes. Religious right, ultra
conservative. It appears that the followers see things like
their leader, in black and white.

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quote: "tenkbabe"

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spreads disease and dysfunction. It should not be
validated with

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/unquote

Sorry for being off-topic. This is just more than a little
disturbing, though, and I'd like the truth. It's
important.

cheers,
--
David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most
insecure people are the ones you see, putting other people
down constantly."

spreads disease and dysfunction. It should not be validated
with marriage. Do

However, I'd prefer to table the issue until after the
election.

Mike

"SwStudio" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

This was typed out yesterday by our esteemed 'tenkbabe'.
It kind of shocked me. I need to know, is this generally
the way people feel in the US, particularly Bush
supporters?

quote: "tenkbabe"

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

spreads disease and dysfunction. It should not be
validated with

Quoted message said:

/unquote

Sorry for being off-topic. This is just more than a little
disturbing, though, and I'd like the truth. It's
important.

cheers,
--
David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most
insecure people are the ones you see, putting other people
down constantly."

Not MY opinion. I am a lesbian raising a son with my partner
that we both planned together. Do I want to get married,
hell yes! Will it happen in my lifetime, probably not.

behavior is to straight people. (getting off my soap box
now)

The opinion of my country? The majority think it is
wrong. Does that majority think is choice or disorder? I
have no idea.

Where are you from and what is the prevailing opinion there?

jojo

Parker Race said:

"SwStudio" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

This was typed out yesterday by our esteemed 'tenkbabe'.
It kind of shocked me. I need to know, is this generally
the way people feel in the US, particularly Bush
supporters?

Unfortunately, probably yes. Religious right, ultra
conservative. It appears that the followers see things
like their leader, in black and white.

It seems that growing Christian Fundamentalism parallels
growing Islamic Fundamentalism. [censored] for tat?

Most believe that they are special; for instance, that only
they can go to heaven. Such religious doctrine smacks of
manipulation by the ministers and demagoguery, IMO. A return
to the Dark Ages.

The religious right has supported Israel in its struggle
with Arabs, and would side with Israeli hawks, rather than
moderates--much to the pleasure and surprise of the
Israelis. Reasons? Their interpretation of some passages in
the Bible. Though, one has to wonder which came first, the
decision to pick sides or the interpretation.

They support a war against Iraq as a method of countering
Islamic Fundamentalist terrorism, a crusade mentality. In
this case, we know that George II used the antiterror
justification to help justify his decision to invade. Maybe,
he hopes to make his way to heaven via this "jihad".

According to the 60 Minutes Program this week, the numbers
in the US have grown to some 40% of the population?

At its root are fear, insecurity, ignorance and instinct,
and a perceived failure of secular politics to speak for
them. In a manner similar to Islamic Fundamentalist Mullahs,
clerics gain power by emotional religious manipulation.

Maybe, not the best time for gays to test their limits.

psychological disorder--or a behavioral choice, or a mixture
of both. To

this, I'd like to offer some observations.

ranges anywhere from 2 to 20% of the human population.
Whatever number

hair must be recessive.

3) Most mainstream biologists now believe that the
primary driver of

genetic traits for the furtherance and development of a
species. In a

Diversity" Bruce Bagemihl bucks this reasoning with a
plethora of

non-functional (non-reproductive) nature as a biological
fact that must be accepted. After much effort, however, even
Bagemihl punts, knowing he stands on shaky ground: "Nothing,
in the end, has really been explained--and rightly so, for
it was sensible explanations that ran aground in the first
place." No sensible, explanation. Oh, well. So much for
science and being able to make any claims as to whether

Bagemihl's observations notwithstanding, when we add 1+2+3,
we have a significant scientific hurdle with regards to the
passing on of the

gene be passed on--in increasing numbers, it seems, as the
political winds change--through a biological mixture of
individuals expressing

like cistic fibrosis, an abherration that negatively impacts
the gene pool? That wouldn't work, would it? Yet again, how
can a gene that leads to non-reproduction prove functional
in the natural selection process?

hard case proving itself as "natural". Either that, or well-
established evolutionary science must become non-sensical.

Let us, for the sake of argument, however, assume the
natural

incest, which, by the way, also has a negative impact on the
passing on of traits for the sake of furthering and
developing the species. Add rape to the list, while we are
at it. Must we, as humans, accept and

mammalian cousins?

With regards to passed on traits, we find that society does
not by default endorse every behavior that arises [arguably]
from inherited genetics. Studies suggest some individuals
are more genetically predisposed to violent or addictive
behavior, yet society does not condone either, whether
learned, willed or inherited. Rather, society judges whether
a behavior is detrimental or helpful to its survival. In the
case of marriage, society has for centuries upheld the
obvious, and that which our greatest scientific discoveries
now seems to uphold:

species. Conversely, society has made the opposite
determination with

common sense.

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I need to know, is this generally the way people feel in
the US, particularly

Bush supporters?

David: "The U.S." is a BIG place!! We also have regional
divisions much like Canada has its French-speaking and English-
speaking areas, and its western individualism. We are about
300 million people, I think.

California, for example is the size of France, but bigger
and with a larger GDP, and in this state the political
climate is totally different than it is, say, in Idaho or
Mississippi. It is simply not possible to say that the
country as a whole has an opinion on this subject. It is
also why the entire notion of a US constitutional amendment
on the subject of gay marriage was stillborn, even if it
were supported by the President and by a majority of the
population of the US as a whole. No way they could EVER get
38/50 of the state legislatures to vote for such a thing,
which would be a necessary component of the ratification
process. This "proposal" by the Prez must have been simply a
political ploy to clearly state his opinion while knowing
that in reality the matter was dead in the water. One must
be careful never to take politicians at face value.

as something they perhaps can't really relate to or
understand (they may giggle about it in a non-mean way,
which is not unusual for something you can't relate to), but
not something on the order of mental illness or a disorder.
You may very rarely hear the word "[censored]" from rednecks,
but not in mainstream conversation, so I do not think this
view is the predominant one.

slavery, banning interracial marriages, and segregation.
There is nothing right or wrong about being gay. You either
are or you aren't. You're still a human being just like
everyone else. You deserve the same rights and treatment as
any other person.

the person who is gay is absurd. There are several good
studies using monozygotic and dizygotic twins showing a high
degree of genetic association with being gay.

All the gays I know have grown up in loving homes with
two parents. They all have told that they just knew
there was something different about them all throughout
there childhood. Whether it is genetic, environmental,
or more likely both is yet to be determined. But does it
really matter?

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"SwStudio" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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: "Kevin Lietz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
: > No I dont think so....
: >
: > Most people in this country dont care about anything
: > unless it affects them... If the country legalized
: > murder, thy wouldn't care, as long as
: they
: > are safe in their homes eating Pizza Hut pizza.
: >
: > As far as opinions are concerned, the majority of
: > people think that

Quoted message said:

: > myself, consider it to be wrong, and I think that it
: > is a mental
disorder
: > like Bipoler, or Chronic Depression... But no
: > scientists are bold

enough

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: to
: > come out with a type of medicine to cure "gayness".
:
:
:
: Thanks for your opinion.
:
: Okay, so that's two people that feel that being gay is a
: "disorder" that is "wrong" and needs to be "cured".
:
: I'm frankly shocked if this is the prevailing attitude
: in the US. It's very disturbing, to say the least.
:
:
:
: cheers,
: --
: David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most
: insecure people are the ones you see, putting other
: people down constantly."
:

a

Quoted message said:

"mental disorder" is not the prevailing opinion. Most of
us who have had gay friends, though, have seen the trend-
almost all of the men I've known who were gay had no
father in the home. And the majority were abused at

mine

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great guy and her life has radically changed. Including
her outlook-

which

Quoted message said:

is now positive. She feels good about herself and her life-
which she

never

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did before...(And yes, it was a "God-thing" that changed
her life)

Regardless, I don't believe in looking down upon or in any
way being

hateful

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towards those who are different from me or think
differently. I hope you feel the same.

TopCounsel said:

Quoted message said:

I need to know, is this generally the way people feel in
the US, particularly

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as something they perhaps can't really relate to or
understand (they may giggle about it in a non-mean way,
which is not unusual for something you can't relate to),
but not something on the order of mental illness or a
disorder. You may very rarely hear the word "[censored]" from
rednecks, but not in mainstream conversation, so I do not
think this view is the predominant one.

of rednecks. TopC, since you live in SoCal, do you have many
Hispanic friends? If not, since Hispanics will soon be the
majority in California, in order to get the true pulse of
how the state feels

you. Your world might be rocked a little.

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: slavery, banning interracial marriages, and segregation.
: There is nothing right or wrong about being gay. You
: either are or you aren't. You're
still
: a human being just like everyone else. You deserve the
: same rights and treatment as any other person.
:

: the person who is gay is absurd. There are several good
: studies using monozygotic and dizygotic twins showing a
: high degree of genetic
association
: with being gay.
:
: All the gays I know have grown up in loving homes with
: two parents. They all have told that they just knew there
: was something different about them all throughout there
: childhood. Whether it is genetic, environmental, or more
: likely both is yet to be determined. But does it really
: matter?

of us may not. Because there are a few studies that suggest
there may be an

those who believe some measure of choice or lack of
restraint is involved

involves no choice, what do you do about the pedophile? The
rapist? The dude who's screwing his neighbor's sheep? Are
they not culpable?

Yes, gays and lesbians deserve the same respect and care as
any member of society. I did not suggest otherwise. Even
those who are intolerant and bigoted should not be hated.
But they often are by those who preach tolerance of people
who are different. Hmmm...

:
:
: "bikeme" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
: news:xGvfc.15864$XP2.9442@lakeread06...
: >
: > "SwStudio" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
: > "]news:[email hidden]...
: > : "Kevin Lietz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
: > : > No I dont think so....
: > : >
: > : > Most people in this country dont care about anything
: > : > unless it
affects
: > : > them... If the country legalized murder, thy
: > : > wouldn't care, as long
as
: > : they
: > : > are safe in their homes eating Pizza Hut pizza.
: > : >
: > : > As far as opinions are concerned, the majority of
: > : > people think that

I
: > : > myself, consider it to be wrong, and I think that it
: > : > is a mental
: > disorder
: > : > like Bipoler, or Chronic Depression... But no
: > : > scientists are bold
: enough
: > : to
: > : > come out with a type of medicine to cure "gayness".
: > :
: > :
: > :
: > : Thanks for your opinion.
: > :
: > : Okay, so that's two people that feel that being gay is
: > : a "disorder" that is "wrong" and needs to be "cured".
: > :
: > : I'm frankly shocked if this is the prevailing attitude
: > : in the US. It's very disturbing, to say the least.
: > :
: > :
: > :
: > : cheers,
: > : --
: > : David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most
: > : insecure people are the ones you see, putting other
: > : people down constantly."
: > :
: >

being
: a
: > "mental disorder" is not the prevailing opinion. Most of
: > us who have
had
: > gay friends, though, have seen the trend- almost all of
: > the men I've
known
: > who were gay had no father in the home. And the majority
: > were abused at

: mine

a
: > great guy and her life has radically changed. Including
: > her outlook-
: which
: > is now positive. She feels good about herself and her
: > life- which she
: never
: > did before...(And yes, it was a "God-thing" that changed
: > her life)
: >
: > Regardless, I don't believe in looking down upon or in
: > any way being
: hateful
: > towards those who are different from me or think
: > differently. I hope
you
: > feel the same.
: >
: >
: >
:
:

"Parker Race" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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:
: "SwStudio" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
: "]news:[email hidden]...
: > This was typed out yesterday by our esteemed 'tenkbabe'.
: > It kind of shocked me. I need to know, is this generally
: > the way people feel in the US, particularly Bush
: > supporters?
:
: Unfortunately, probably yes. Religious right, ultra
: conservative. It appears that the followers see things
: like their leader, in black and white.

and should not be the norm.

:
: >
: >
: >
: > quote: "tenkbabe"
: >

: > > spreads disease and dysfunction. It should not be
: > > validated with

: >
: > /unquote
: >
: >
: >
: > Sorry for being off-topic. This is just more than a
: > little disturbing, though, and I'd like the truth. It's
: > important.
: >
: >
: > cheers,
: > --
: > David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most
: > insecure people are the ones you see, putting other
: > people down constantly."
: >
: >
:
:

"jojo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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:
: "SwStudio" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
: "]news:[email hidden]...
: > This was typed out yesterday by our esteemed 'tenkbabe'.
: > It kind of shocked me. I need to know, is this generally
: > the way people feel in the US, particularly Bush
: > supporters?
: >
: >
: >
: > quote: "tenkbabe"
: >

: > > spreads disease and dysfunction. It should not be
: > > validated with

: >
: > /unquote
: >
: >
: >
: > Sorry for being off-topic. This is just more than a
: > little disturbing, though, and I'd like the truth. It's
: > important.
: >
: >
: > cheers,
: > --
: > David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most
: > insecure people are the ones you see, putting other
: > people down constantly."
: >
: >
:
: Not MY opinion. I am a lesbian raising a son with my
: partner that we both planned together. Do I want to get
: married, hell yes! Will it happen in my
lifetime,
: probably not.

: behavior is to straight people. (getting off my soap
: box now)
:
: The opinion of my country? The majority think it is
: wrong. Does that majority think is choice or disorder? I
: have no idea.
:
: Where are you from and what is the prevailing
: opinion there?
:
: jojo
:

Thanks, jojo, for raising a child in a loving home with 2
people who love him. As a future Foster Parent, I've heard
enough horror stories about kids who are smacked around and
abused that I'm grateful every time I hear of

"Bill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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: Parker Race wrote:
: > "SwStudio" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
: > "]news:[email hidden]...
: >> This was typed out yesterday by our esteemed
: >> 'tenkbabe'. It kind of shocked me. I need to know, is
: >> this generally the way people feel in the US,
: >> particularly Bush supporters?
: >
: > Unfortunately, probably yes. Religious right, ultra
: > conservative. It appears that the followers see things
: > like their leader, in black and white.
: >
: It seems that growing Christian Fundamentalism parallels
: growing Islamic Fundamentalism. [censored] for tat?

:
: Most believe that they are special; for instance, that
: only they can go to heaven. Such religious doctrine smacks
: of manipulation by the ministers
and
: demagoguery, IMO. A return to the Dark Ages.
:
: The religious right has supported Israel in its struggle
: with Arabs, and would side with Israeli hawks, rather than
: moderates--much to the pleasure and surprise of the
: Israelis. Reasons? Their interpretation of some passages
: in the Bible. Though, one has to wonder which came first,
: the decision to pick sides or the interpretation.
:
: They support a war against Iraq as a method of countering
: Islamic Fundamentalist terrorism, a crusade mentality. In
: this case, we know that George II used the antiterror
: justification to help justify his decision
to
: invade. Maybe, he hopes to make his way to heaven via this
: "jihad".

Actually, GWB believes he is going to heaven based upon
Christ's death for him on the cross- nothing more, nothing
less; his actions aren't the issue for entrance into heaven.

:
: According to the 60 Minutes Program this week, the numbers
: in the US have grown to some 40% of the population?

OHF'ingG- 40 %??? Hide the kids, leave the country!!!! The
Fundamentalists are coming!!! You know, if 60 Minutes said
it, it MUST be true. Nevermind the fact that American
practice shows otherwise. Belief about subjectivity,
relative nature of right and wrong, etc. Thanks for the
laugh, though.

:
: At its root are fear, insecurity, ignorance and instinct,
: and a perceived failure of secular politics to speak for
: them. In a manner similar to Islamic Fundamentalist
: Mullahs, clerics gain power by emotional religious
: manipulation.
:
: Maybe, not the best time for gays to test their limits.
:
:

TopCounsel said:

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of rednecks. TopC, since you live in SoCal, do you have
many Hispanic friends? If not, since Hispanics will soon
be the majority in California, in order to get the true
pulse of how the state feels

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you. Your world might be rocked a little.

This is fair comment, as I am well aware that the Roman
Catholicism of most

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is a "sin." But who says such persons can't also be
"rednecks?" I got to know a lot of Hispanic people from
the central valley area of California while I was living
in the SF Bay area for college and law school, and many
of these folks absolutely qualify as "rednecks' --
Hispanic or not!

Well. If this isn't an outstanding example of tolerance, I
fail to see how I could ever possibly find a better one. 😉

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Joe said:

slavery, banning interracial marriages, and segregation.

Category confusion: you are born with a given race; the jury
is still out--to the point of mis-trial--on whether the same
can be said about

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There is nothing right or wrong about being gay. You
either are or you aren't. You're still a human being just
like everyone else. You deserve the same rights and
treatment as any other person.

Even if the first three sentences were true (and that's
highly arguable), I could say the same thing as a runner,
e.g., "There is nothing right or wrong about being a runner.
You either are or you aren't. You're still a human being
just like everyone else." The conclusion, however, "You
deserve the same rights and treatment as any other person,"
does not follow until you prove that running is something
you're born with, e.g., part of your natal human makeup so
that you *could not live without being it*. Otherwise, we
only have a behavior, and behavior does not by default
entitle anyone to special rights.

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the person who is gay is absurd. There are several good
studies using monozygotic and dizygotic twins showing a
high degree of genetic association with being gay.

These studies are highly controversial and their results
hardly conclusive and vigorously disputed. Right off the
bat, the statistical validity of correlations have been
shown to be highly suspect. In

you even more numerous studies that demonstrate a
psychological disorder. All of which leads no where, as to
when two politicians engaged in a debate start spouting this
or that statistic to counter the other's statistics, and in
the end, observers are frustrated and confused.

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All the gays I know have grown up in loving homes with
two parents. They all have told that they just knew there
was something different about them all throughout there
childhood. Whether it is genetic, environmental, or more
likely both is yet to be determined. But does it really
matter?

It does if you want to say "the same arguements used against

marriages, and segregation." Can't have it both ways, I'm
afraid. Again, rights come from make up (e.g., "endowed by
their Creator with certain unalienable Rights"😉 and not from
chosen behavior or lifestyle.

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SwStudio said:

This was typed out yesterday by our esteemed 'tenkbabe'. It
kind of shocked me. I need to know, is this generally the
way people feel in the US, particularly Bush supporters?

Homophobia is probably more common among Bush supporters,
given that much of it is tied to religious groups that are
tied to Bush.

There are two main strains of homophobia in the US

among Bush supporters. It winds up justifying itself out of
peculiar readings of the Bible. See Abbotsford, BC (Simon
Fraser valley) for similar theology in Canada.

regardless of party or religion.

The latter version (though, actually, both) seems to
translate well as a reaction to left-handedness. (I'm left
handed). Substitute

(Seriously. I've had some folks try to 'save' me from my
sinful -- left-handed -- ways.)

I don't know about true majorities. Certainly we hear more
from and about the haters.

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evidence and ease; this great facility makes them less
appreciated than they would be had they been presented in a
more abstruse manner." Two New Sciences

But the really important question is - Should road races
have male, female

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psychological disorder--or a behavioral choice, or a
mixture of both. To

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this, I'd like to offer some observations.

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ranges anywhere from 2 to 20% of the human population.
Whatever number

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hair must be recessive.

3) Most mainstream biologists now believe that the primary
driver of

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genetic traits for the furtherance and development of a
species. In a

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Diversity" Bruce Bagemihl bucks this reasoning with a
plethora of

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non-functional (non-reproductive) nature as a biological
fact that must be accepted. After much effort, however,
even Bagemihl punts, knowing he stands on shaky ground:
"Nothing, in the end, has really been explained--and
rightly so, for it was sensible explanations that ran
aground in the first place." No sensible, explanation. Oh,
well. So much for science and being able to make any
claims as to whether

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Bagemihl's observations notwithstanding, when we add
1+2+3, we have a significant scientific hurdle with
regards to the passing on of the

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gene be passed on--in increasing numbers, it seems, as the
political winds change--through a biological mixture of
individuals expressing

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like cistic fibrosis, an abherration that negatively
impacts the gene pool? That wouldn't work, would it? Yet
again, how can a gene that leads to non-reproduction prove
functional in the natural selection process?

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hard case proving itself as "natural". Either that, or well-
established evolutionary science must become non-sensical.

Let us, for the sake of argument, however, assume
the natural

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incest, which, by the way, also has a negative impact on
the passing on of traits for the sake of furthering and
developing the species. Add rape to the list, while we are
at it. Must we, as humans, accept and

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mammalian cousins?

With regards to passed on traits, we find that society
does not by default endorse every behavior that arises
[arguably] from inherited genetics. Studies suggest some
individuals are more genetically predisposed to violent or
addictive behavior, yet society does not condone either,
whether learned, willed or inherited. Rather, society
judges whether a behavior is detrimental or helpful to its
survival. In the case of marriage, society has for
centuries upheld the obvious, and that which our greatest
scientific discoveries now seems to uphold:

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species. Conversely, society has made the opposite
determination with

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common sense.

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