Is this really low-carb?

READ Atkins book for low carb meat eating dieting....
look somewhere else for low carb vegetarian diets...
ain't gonna find advice here....
(:
Lynn

Oatmeal is not low carb.

--
If the price of stupid ever goes up, I claim drilling rights to this guy's
head. -- MFW

"MEow" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I hope you can bear with some newbie questions. I've already looked at the
FAQ for answers to this, but I didn't find it.

Since I've switched from a job where I natually walk and climb stairs a
lot, to one where I just sit on my butt and answer the phone, the
aforementioned butt has grown (well actually - it's mostly my wasteline;
which is the worst place to have too much - pear shaped would've been
better). I don't like that. I also think that my diet is way too carb-
heavy, as it is.

I'm vegetarian, but much to my joy I've found the book "Low-carb
vegetarian
cooking" by Sue Spitler, but it puzzles me that it allows for instance
oatmeal as part of breakfast. Can that really be true? It also recommends
not going below 130 grams of carbs per day, as going lower can damage you
in the long run. True/False?

Well - I want to give this diet a try, starting tomorrow, but does it
belong in this ng?

If not I'll get out of you hair and just thank you for the link to the
Nutrient Data Laboratory, but if it does I'll probably return later with
more questions.

Kind regards,
Nikitta.

On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 12:51:35 +0000 (UTC), MEow <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

I'm vegetarian, but much to my joy I've found the book "Low-carb vegetarian
cooking" by Sue Spitler, but it puzzles me that it allows for instance
oatmeal as part of breakfast. Can that really be true? It also recommends
not going below 130 grams of carbs per day, as going lower can damage you
in the long run. True/False?

Personally, I do a LOT better on around 30 - 50g of carb. You might
do differently. I'd recommend looking at other Plans, or at least
look at Atkins or Protein Power to get an idea of the kind of carb
restriction many find necessary in the short term. Yes, you CAN do
even very restrictive levels of Atkins as a vegetarian if you're
willing to accept that your food sources will be limited.

Quoted message said:

Well - I want to give this diet a try, starting tomorrow, but does it
belong in this ng?

If not I'll get out of you hair and just thank you for the link to the
Nutrient Data Laboratory, but if it does I'll probably return later with
more questions.

Kind regards,
Nikitta.

I'm guessing you're looking for
http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/ which is the USDA data
base, a most useful tool.

I'd also suggest you look at http://www.immuneweb.org/lowcarb/
Cyndi (the web owner) was a very active member here at one time and
has come up with some useful resources for vegetarian low-carbers.
For long-term members, you might also be pleased to hear that she is a
new mother, having given birth to a healthy baby girl in February.

Aramanth

Oatmeal is not low carb....LOL

Lynn spoke thusly:

Quoted message said:

READ Atkins book for low carb meat eating dieting....
look somewhere else for low carb vegetarian diets...
ain't gonna find advice here....
(:

Well - it seems it isn't then, so I'll just leave again, but thanks for the
replies.

Kind regards,
Nikitta.

MEow said:

I'm vegetarian, but much to my joy I've found the book "Low-carb vegetarian
cooking" by Sue Spitler, but it puzzles me that it allows for instance
oatmeal as part of breakfast. Can that really be true? It also recommends
not going below 130 grams of carbs per day, as going lower can damage you
in the long run. True/False?

There is a school of thought that says that you need to consume 100
grams or more of carbohydrates each day because the brain burns
carbohydrates....... and therefore you must eat them for your brain.

This ignores the fact that your kidneys convert protein into
carbohydrates. And this converted protein quite nicely feeds your brain.

Your body is not like an automobile..... where it burns only gasoline
because it has no mechanism to convert oil (or diesel fuel) to gasoline,
for example.

Your body has evolved to run pretty well on miserably crappy fuels of
many kinds.

Just look at the wide range of foods and food supplies around the globe
and through history.

Mandkind did not evolve from (with) grocery stores with fresh and frozen
foods from all over the world available at your fingertips.

In article <[email hidden]>,

MEow said:

I hope you can bear with some newbie questions. I've already looked at the
FAQ for answers to this, but I didn't find it.

Since I've switched from a job where I natually walk and climb stairs a
lot, to one where I just sit on my butt and answer the phone, the
aforementioned butt has grown (well actually - it's mostly my wasteline;
which is the worst place to have too much - pear shaped would've been
better). I don't like that. I also think that my diet is way too carb-
heavy, as it is.

I'm vegetarian, but much to my joy I've found the book "Low-carb vegetarian
cooking" by Sue Spitler, but it puzzles me that it allows for instance
oatmeal as part of breakfast. Can that really be true? It also recommends
not going below 130 grams of carbs per day, as going lower can damage you
in the long run. True/False?

Well - I want to give this diet a try, starting tomorrow, but does it
belong in this ng?

If not I'll get out of you hair and just thank you for the link to the
Nutrient Data Laboratory, but if it does I'll probably return later with
more questions.

Kind regards,
Nikitta.

First off, low-carb isn't the only way to lose weight to start with, so
of course you could lose on 130g per day. I have no idea if it's
unhealthy to go below that, but I would guess that it isn't, based
purely on anecdotal evidence from this group.

Losing weight is all about eating less than you use. Imo, low-carb
works mostly because it helps reduce appetite. Do certain carb heavy
foods trigger you to eat more? If so, just don't eat those foods.
Potatoes, rice, corn, wheat, and sugar are the usual culprits.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Quoted message said:

READ Atkins book for low carb meat eating dieting....
look somewhere else for low carb vegetarian diets...
ain't gonna find advice here....

Why is that? This is not alt.support.diet.atkins. There are lots of
ways of low-carbing represented in this newsgroup.

Priscilla
--
"You can't welcome someone into a body of Christ and then say only
certain rooms are open." -- dancertm in alt.religion.christian.episcopal

MEow wrote:
|| I hope you can bear with some newbie questions. I've already looked
|| at the FAQ for answers to this, but I didn't find it.
||
|| Since I've switched from a job where I natually walk and climb
|| stairs a lot, to one where I just sit on my butt and answer the
|| phone, the aforementioned butt has grown (well actually - it's
|| mostly my wasteline; which is the worst place to have too much -
|| pear shaped would've been better). I don't like that. I also think
|| that my diet is way too carb- heavy, as it is.
||
|| I'm vegetarian, but much to my joy I've found the book "Low-carb
|| vegetarian cooking" by Sue Spitler, but it puzzles me that it allows
|| for instance oatmeal as part of breakfast. Can that really be true?
|| It also recommends not going below 130 grams of carbs per day, as
|| going lower can damage you in the long run. True/False?
||
|| Well - I want to give this diet a try, starting tomorrow, but does it
|| belong in this ng?
||
|| If not I'll get out of you hair and just thank you for the link to
|| the Nutrient Data Laboratory, but if it does I'll probably return
|| later with more questions.
||
|| Kind regards,
|| Nikitta.

As others have averred, 130 grams a day is too high to be considered "low
carb," and no, there is absolutely no evidence that going lower can damage
you in the long run. Those of us who eat under 40 or even under 20
experience amazing heart-healthy benefits such as lower cholesterol and
triglycerides, normalized blood sugars, lower blood presure and much more.

I did a quick Google search of "Low Carb Vegetarian Recipes" and it came
back with 795,000 results in .20 seconds! I'm surprised that you haven't
done the same already instead of limiting yourself to one book that doesn't
sound at all like the contents fit its name based on what you said.

Here are the results of the Google search; I'm sure you can find many, many
vegetarian recipes that you can use for variety if you're serious about
vegetarian low carb; there have been some people who pass through here that
have been successful on such a plan.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=low+carb+vegetarian+recipes&btnG=Google+Search

Out of curiosity, are you a vegetarian for religious reasons, or are you
just a PETA kin of gal?

Good luck to you,
--
Peter
Website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo

In article <[email hidden]>,

MEow said:

Lynn spoke thusly:

Quoted message said:

READ Atkins book for low carb meat eating dieting....
look somewhere else for low carb vegetarian diets...
ain't gonna find advice here....
(:

Well - it seems it isn't then, so I'll just leave again, but thanks for the
replies.

Whoa! Don't let one idiot drive you away. Some of us hadn't even woken
up yet when you posted.

There's a popularly-believed myth out there about needing 130-160 grams
or so of carb a day, and it's just that -- a myth. What low-carbing
does is switch us over to burning fat instead of burning carbs for our
energy. That's what ketosis is.

I would be highly suspicious of the author of the book you're reading.
Oatmeal is NOT low-carb. Try using a resource like fitday.com to find
out the nutrient breakdown of various of your foods. You will generally
find that starchy foods (like rice, beans, peas, corn, carrots,
potatoes) have higher carb contents than do other plant products.

Do you do lacto-ovo? Or fish (although I've never understood how one
can be vegetarian and eat fish, oh, well!)? If you do, those should
make it easier to be a low-carb vegetarian.

Many low-carbers do rely heavily on meats, but it's not necessary. I
would be interested in following a thread on vegetarian low-carbing.
I'm omnivorous myself, but I enjoy creative cooking, and sometimes I
look like a vegetarian when it's just that it's been a few days since my
last steak. ;-)

Please hang around. This could be an interesting discussion.

Priscilla
--
"You can't welcome someone into a body of Christ and then say only
certain rooms are open." -- dancertm in alt.religion.christian.episcopal

jbuch wrote:
<snip>

|| This ignores the fact that your kidneys convert protein into
|| carbohydrates.

Huh?

--
Peter
Website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo

In article <8Oh%d.3521$%d7.529@lakeread03>,

Marengo said:

jbuch wrote:
<snip>

|| This ignores the fact that your kidneys convert protein into
|| carbohydrates.

Huh?

Dunno if it's the kidneys that do it, but over 50% of the protein we
ingest is converted to glucose. That's why my blood glucose goes up a
little when I eat a very low-carb high-protein meal. It's slower than
converting other carbs to glucose, but it does happen.

Priscilla, type 2 diabetic, diet & metformin, down 40 lbs since diagnosis
--
"You can't welcome someone into a body of Christ and then say only
certain rooms are open." -- dancertm in alt.religion.christian.episcopal

Priscilla Ballou spoke thusly:

Quoted message said:

I would be highly suspicious of the author of the book you're reading.
Oatmeal is NOT low-carb. Try using a resource like fitday.com to
find out the nutrient breakdown of various of your foods. You will
generally find that starchy foods (like rice, beans, peas, corn,
carrots, potatoes) have higher carb contents than do other plant
products.

I do know a few things about nutrition, and that's why it really baffeled
me when a book with that title would talk about oatmeal for breakfast,
but I decided to ask in here. It's not the only thing in that book, which
got that reaction from me, and some of the things she mentions seems to
be more about complex carbs than about low carb - but that's only AFAIK,
ICBW...etc...

It just bummed me so much because I was so excited when I found the book
online, and I ordered it - especially since she's writing it with a
doctor. Oh well - all in the name of selling, it seems :0(

Quoted message said:

Do you do lacto-ovo? Or fish (although I've never understood how one
can be vegetarian and eat fish, oh, well!)? If you do, those should
make it easier to be a low-carb vegetarian.

I'm ovo-lacto. No fish for me, please. I really don't want to give that
up, but I also want to stop eating so carb-heavy.

Quoted message said:

Many low-carbers do rely heavily on meats, but it's not necessary. I
would be interested in following a thread on vegetarian low-carbing.
I'm omnivorous myself, but I enjoy creative cooking, and sometimes I
look like a vegetarian when it's just that it's been a few days since
my last steak. ;-)

Please hang around. This could be an interesting discussion.

I'll stick around for a bit and see.

Kind regards,
Nikitta.

Priscilla Ballou said:

Dunno if it's the kidneys that do it, but over 50% of the protein we
ingest is converted to glucose. That's why my blood glucose goes up a
little when I eat a very low-carb high-protein meal. It's slower than
converting other carbs to glucose, but it does happen.

Priscilla, type 2 diabetic, diet & metformin, down 40 lbs since diagnosis

It's important to remember that it's not the weight of the food
itself... but of the protein content of that food.

So if you eat 100g of a steak, only 20 - 25g of it is protein... and 58%
of that protein will convert to glucose.

Jennifer

"Marengo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:3Dh%d.3519$%d7.1873@lakeread03...

Quoted message said:

Out of curiosity, are you a vegetarian for religious reasons, or are you
just a PETA kin of gal?

There are people who are vegetarian because they don't like to eat meat or
it just doesn't agree with their digestive system.

--
No Husband Has Ever Been Shot While Doing The Dishes

wombn <[email hidden]> wrote:
<snip>

Quoted message said:

Wow. I don't know where the line is drawn "officially", but I'd never
call 130 gm/day LOW carb!! Maybe they're lower than establishment
medicine would recommend, but geez. That's stretching it a bit.

I've seen the figure less than 100g/day posted often as the cut off point. I
have no idea if that's 'official' or if it's just been repeated so many
times that it appears to be.
--
Jeri
"Change is inevitable, except from vending machines."

Jeri said:

I've seen the figure less than 100g/day posted often as the cut off point. I
have no idea if that's 'official' or if it's just been repeated so many
times that it appears to be.

"Low-carbohydrate: less than 20% of total calories Note: a ketogenic
diet contains, by definition, less than 100 g carbs/day. But while all
ketogenic diets are low-carbohydrate, not all low-carbohydate diets are
ketogenic."

http://www.ironmagazine.com/printout136.html

Here's a site on Vegetarian Low Carbing.
http://www.immuneweb.org/lowcarb/

In news:[email hidden],
MEow <[email hidden]> stated
| I hope you can bear with some newbie questions. I've already looked
| at the FAQ for answers to this, but I didn't find it.
|
| Since I've switched from a job where I natually walk and climb stairs
| a lot, to one where I just sit on my butt and answer the phone, the
| aforementioned butt has grown (well actually - it's mostly my
| wasteline; which is the worst place to have too much - pear shaped
| would've been better). I don't like that. I also think that my diet
| is way too carb- heavy, as it is.
|
| I'm vegetarian, but much to my joy I've found the book "Low-carb
| vegetarian cooking" by Sue Spitler, but it puzzles me that it allows
| for instance oatmeal as part of breakfast. Can that really be true?
| It also recommends not going below 130 grams of carbs per day, as
| going lower can damage you in the long run. True/False?
|
| Well - I want to give this diet a try, starting tomorrow, but does it
| belong in this ng?
|
| If not I'll get out of you hair and just thank you for the link to the
| Nutrient Data Laboratory, but if it does I'll probably return later
| with more questions.
|
| Kind regards,
| Nikitta.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Jennifer said:

Priscilla Ballou said:

Dunno if it's the kidneys that do it, but over 50% of the protein we
ingest is converted to glucose. That's why my blood glucose goes up a
little when I eat a very low-carb high-protein meal. It's slower than
converting other carbs to glucose, but it does happen.

Priscilla, type 2 diabetic, diet & metformin, down 40 lbs since diagnosis

It's important to remember that it's not the weight of the food
itself... but of the protein content of that food.

I presume you don't think you're correcting me here.

Quoted message said:

So if you eat 100g of a steak, only 20 - 25g of it is protein... and 58%
of that protein will convert to glucose.

Priscilla
--
"You can't welcome someone into a body of Christ and then say only
certain rooms are open." -- dancertm in alt.religion.christian.episcopal