Is this normal LBS behavior on pricing?

"Jacque_Strapp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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The implication being they are open to haggling. That kind of makes
comparison shopping impossible, even between different models in that
store. Is this acceptable behavior, or should I look for another shop?

It's pretty standard in my experience. There are several factors at work
you have to realize. One is that some manufacturers don't like shops
marking their bikes cheaper than list price. I would recommend you find the
shop you're most comfortable with, who take the time to FIT the bike
properly for you and look like they have competent shop staff and pay
whatever they want. Well, try to knock them down a big.. ;-) Believe me,
a proper fit and competent staff are worth the bucks.

Cheers,

Scott..

Hi Jacque, Yes, this is pretty much normal in just about every bike
you'll walk into. It's nothing to be leery, or afraid of. I
understand what you say how this makes things a bit confusing. Never
be afraid to ask them what thier bottom line price is for anything,
Bikes, Parts, Servicing.

Yes, hybrids/MTB's like Trek/Raliegh can get quite pricey. Easily
exceeding $1,000 in price. I recommend getting a price on a bike you
like, take down its model number, and come home, and at least do some
homework online, or possibly visit another trek/Raliegh dealer in town
if you have one.

If your looking for basic transportaion, in a bike that is not too
shabby, and the prices are very low (less than $200), maybe check out
Wal-Mart?

No, naturally, they are not of Trek, or Raleigh quality, but some
aren't all that bad either for a basic bike. The choice ultimately
has to be yours for what exactly you are looking for. There's pro, and
con in buying a $149 bike versus a better quality bike in the
$300-$500 range. Usually the Wal-Mart quality bikes will have
components that are of much cheaper quality than these better brand
bikes. Things like wheels/tires/saddles brakes/etc.etc.

One thing you won't find at Wal-Mart though, is someone who can help
you when your bike has a problem down the road. If you have no great
knowledge in maintaining, or servicing a bike, then the bike shop will
be a wiser move.

Most, if not all Bike Shops will service/adjust/inspect your bike for
free from when it is first purchased. Some shops will do this up to
one year from date of purchase, and that is a nice plus versus
somewhere like Wal-Mart.

Most bike shops have pretty decent people there, and welcome your
business.
hope this helps, and best of luck, Mark

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Hi all:

I am new to biking (at least with bikes that cost more than $100), and
thinking of getting a hybrid bike for tooling around town, maybe to
ride to work, probably some light dirt trail riding. There is a shop
near me that sells two of the brands I've been looking at (Raleigh and
Trek), but when I asked the guy about prices I got a strange response:

"The price on the tag is probably higher than what you'll actually
pay."

The implication being they are open to haggling. That kind of makes
comparison shopping impossible, even between different models in that
store. Is this acceptable behavior, or should I look for another shop?
I realize I should support a small bike shop, but there are a couple
other small shops within driving distance (but this one is in riding
distance).

Umm..................... they tell you that you can buy it for less than
list and you're complaining?

You could always just pay list price! :-)

Most bike shops will horse trade to some degree.

"Jacque_Strapp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Hi all:

I am new to biking (at least with bikes that cost more than $100), and
thinking of getting a hybrid bike for tooling around town, maybe to
ride to work, probably some light dirt trail riding. There is a shop
near me that sells two of the brands I've been looking at (Raleigh and
Trek), but when I asked the guy about prices I got a strange response:

"The price on the tag is probably higher than what you'll actually
pay."

The implication being they are open to haggling. That kind of makes
comparison shopping impossible, even between different models in that
store. Is this acceptable behavior, or should I look for another shop?
I realize I should support a small bike shop, but there are a couple
other small shops within driving distance (but this one is in riding
distance).

Jacque_Strapp (great name for an athlete) said:
Hi all:

I am new to biking (at least with bikes that cost more than $100), and
thinking of getting a hybrid bike for tooling around town, maybe to
ride to work, probably some light dirt trail riding. There is a shop
near me that sells two of the brands I've been looking at (Raleigh and
Trek), but when I asked the guy about prices I got a strange response:

"The price on the tag is probably higher than what you'll actually
pay."

The implication being they are open to haggling. That kind of makes
comparison shopping impossible, even between different models in that
store. Is this acceptable behavior, or should I look for another shop?
I realize I should support a small bike shop, but there are a couple
other small shops within driving distance (but this one is in riding
distance).

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Jacque_Strapp (still a great name) said:

Hi all:

I am new to biking (at least with bikes that cost more than $100), and
thinking of getting a hybrid bike for tooling around town, maybe to
ride to work, probably some light dirt trail riding. There is a shop
near me that sells two of the brands I've been looking at (Raleigh and
Trek), but when I asked the guy about prices I got a strange response:

"The price on the tag is probably higher than what you'll actually
pay."

The implication being they are open to haggling. That kind of makes
comparison shopping impossible, even between different models in that
store. Is this acceptable behavior, or should I look for another shop?
I realize I should support a small bike shop, but there are a couple
other small shops within driving distance (but this one is in riding
distance).

What, you never bought a car?

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Quoted message said:

Bill, riding bent in Florida
(hence the screen name)

I may be old and fat, but by golly,

I'm Slow!

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Quoted message said:

I am new to biking (at least with bikes that cost more than $100), and
thinking of getting a hybrid bike for tooling around town, maybe to
ride to work, probably some light dirt trail riding. There is a shop
near me that sells two of the brands I've been looking at (Raleigh and
Trek), but when I asked the guy about prices I got a strange response:

"The price on the tag is probably higher than what you'll actually
pay."

The implication being they are open to haggling. That kind of makes
comparison shopping impossible, even between different models in that
store. Is this acceptable behavior, or should I look for another shop?
I realize I should support a small bike shop, but there are a couple
other small shops within driving distance (but this one is in riding
distance).

That's going to vary by shop. There are quite a few that will mark up
something higher than they normally expect to sell something for and, if
somebody's willing to pay that, great, it's money in the bank. But there
are also shops (like ours) where the price on the tag *is* the price, no
matter how much haggling one wishes to do. We price our bikes to be
competitive and go out of our way to make sure the bike fits properly and
doesn't sit in the garage... and it's our job to make sure that the bike is
worth the price on the tag. If we can't convince the customer of that, we
lose the sale. But if our staff didn't recognize that the bike on the floor
does have a value, and that that value is a result of what we put into it...
I think we'd actually sell fewer bikes, not more, if we had a moving-target
for pricing. And I'm positive our service to the customer would decline,
because the way things are set up now, everyone in the store knows we have
something to live up to. If they can't stand behind the price on the tag,
then they're not going to live up to it, either.

There are lots of different ways to do business, and there's no single one
that's right or wrong for everybody.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
http://www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

"Jacque_Strapp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Hi all:

I am new to biking (at least with bikes that cost more than $100), and
thinking of getting a hybrid bike for tooling around town, maybe to
ride to work, probably some light dirt trail riding. There is a shop
near me that sells two of the brands I've been looking at (Raleigh and
Trek), but when I asked the guy about prices I got a strange response:

"The price on the tag is probably higher than what you'll actually
pay."

The implication being they are open to haggling. That kind of makes
comparison shopping impossible, even between different models in that
store. Is this acceptable behavior, or should I look for another shop?
I realize I should support a small bike shop, but there are a couple
other small shops within driving distance (but this one is in riding
distance).

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One thing you won't find at Wal-Mart though, is someone who can help
you when your bike has a problem down the road. If you have no great
knowledge in maintaining, or servicing a bike, then the bike shop will
be a wiser move.

Most, if not all Bike Shops will service/adjust/inspect your bike for
free from when it is first purchased. Some shops will do this up to
one year from date of purchase, and that is a nice plus versus
somewhere like Wal-Mart.

In addition, most bike dealers aren't opposed to servicing a decent quality
Wal-Mart bike either. A LBS can actually make more money on service and
accessories than on bike sales and I generally don't see LBS turn away any
business.

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Quoted message said:

The implication being they are open to haggling. That kind of makes
comparison shopping impossible, even between different models in that
store. Is this acceptable behavior, or should I look for another shop?
I realize I should support a small bike shop, but there are a couple
other small shops within driving distance (but this one is in riding
distance).

That's going to vary by shop. There are quite a few that will mark up
something higher than they normally expect to sell something for and, if
somebody's willing to pay that, great, it's money in the bank. But there
are also shops (like ours) where the price on the tag *is* the price, no
matter how much haggling one wishes to do. We price our bikes to be
competitive and go out of our way to make sure the bike fits properly and
doesn't sit in the garage... and it's our job to make sure that the bike is
worth the price on the tag. If we can't convince the customer of that, we
lose the sale. But if our staff didn't recognize that the bike on the floor
does have a value, and that that value is a result of what we put into it...
I think we'd actually sell fewer bikes, not more, if we had a moving-target
for pricing. And I'm positive our service to the customer would decline,
because the way things are set up now, everyone in the store knows we have
something to live up to. If they can't stand behind the price on the tag,
then they're not going to live up to it, either.

There are lots of different ways to do business, and there's no single one
that's right or wrong for everybody.

This appears to be similar to what the shop where I bought my bike does:
Of the bikes where I'm familiar with the list price, he's always under
the list price, but doesn't haggle. He's always willing to answer
questions, and I try to return the favor by buying stuff from him when
he's at least close to what I can find it for elsewhere (mail order,
that is; there's very little difference between his price and that of
other shops in the area).

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Quoted message said:

Hi all:

I am new to biking (at least with bikes that cost more than $100), and
thinking of getting a hybrid bike for tooling around town, maybe to
ride to work, probably some light dirt trail riding. There is a shop
near me that sells two of the brands I've been looking at (Raleigh and
Trek), but when I asked the guy about prices I got a strange response:

"The price on the tag is probably higher than what you'll actually
pay."

The implication being they are open to haggling. That kind of makes
comparison shopping impossible, even between different models in that
store. Is this acceptable behavior, or should I look for another shop?

I would think that by comparing list prices, you could get a pretty good
idea of the relative actual selling price as well. For example, if one
model lists for $100 more than another, it's probably going to actually
sell for $80 to $100 more than the other, no matter what the actual
selling price is.

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Jacque_wrote:

Quoted message said:

...There is a shop
near me that sells two of the brands I've been looking at (Raleigh and
Trek), but when I asked the guy about prices I got a strange response:

"The price on the tag is probably higher than what you'll actually
pay."

The implication being they are open to haggling. That kind of makes
comparison shopping impossible, even between different models in that
store. Is this acceptable behavior, or should I look for another shop?
I realize I should support a small bike shop, but there are a couple
other small shops within driving distance (but this one is in riding
distance).

Just think of it as exchange, if you've ever done foreign currency.
Compare the listed or tagged prices, then be pleasantly surprised.
LBS will throw in extras (car racks, rear racks, bottles, tools,
you name it) and they'll swap out parts. So besides paying, say, $150
instead of $160, you'll get freebies to get you out on the road.
HTH
--Karen M.

On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 00:03:15 -0400, Jacque_Strapp
<[email hidden]> wrote:

Thanks for the replies all, that helps. I will probably have some more
questions before I ultimately decide...

Quoted message said:

Hi all:

I am new to biking (at least with bikes that cost more than $100), and
thinking of getting a hybrid bike for tooling around town, maybe to
ride to work, probably some light dirt trail riding. There is a shop
near me that sells two of the brands I've been looking at (Raleigh and
Trek), but when I asked the guy about prices I got a strange response:

"The price on the tag is probably higher than what you'll actually
pay."

The implication being they are open to haggling. That kind of makes
comparison shopping impossible, even between different models in that
store. Is this acceptable behavior, or should I look for another shop?
I realize I should support a small bike shop, but there are a couple
other small shops within driving distance (but this one is in riding
distance).

"Jacque_Strapp" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

The implication being they are open to haggling. That kind of makes
comparison shopping impossible, even between different models in that
store. Is this acceptable behavior, or should I look for another shop?
I realize I should support a small bike shop, but there are a couple
other small shops within driving distance (but this one is in riding
distance).

No-haggle pricing does exist, but most shops aren't willing to lose a sale
over a small amount of money. If the bike is already on sale, then I don't
think you will normally be able to haggle. Also, some shops prefer to throw
in some accessories instead of haggling on the base price, since the margins
on accessories are very good, but the margins on bikes are not.

Some shops won't haggle at all. I.e., as Mike J. stated, his shop doesn't do
this, and I have found his prices to already be lower than other stores.
I.e., I ended up paying $100 more than his price on one Trek bike that I
bought ($1100 versus $1000), plus I had to drive 60 miles each way to get
it, because I needed a size that he didn't have and couldn't obtain because
it was a end-of-the-year close-out.

I wouldn't let a $50 difference on an $500 bicycle be the factor in
determining where to buy. But similarly, the most expensive shop is not
necessarily the best shop. I tend to wait for sales, i.e. one good shop near
me periodically mails out 10% off sale notices, once they were up to 15% (in
January, during a "Super Bowl" sale where they took another 5% off during
the game).

Saturn gave no-haggle pricing a bad name, with mediocre products at high
prices (compared to products from Toyota and Honda dealers at least). But a
fair no-haggle price is fine. I think that with haggling the norm on so many
higher priced products (cars, houses, furniture, appliances, etc.) that it's
sometimes hard to believe that a store can actually price items fairly.

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Saturn gave no-haggle pricing a bad name, with mediocre products at high
prices (compared to products from Toyota and Honda dealers at least).

Maybe, but Saturn's dent-resistant side panel ads are still pretty funny.
Obviously I'd feel differently if it appeared the car was at fault when the
bike runs into it, but heck, could be those flexible panels absorb some of
the impact and save cyclists!

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
http://www.ChainReactionBicycles.com