Is this Lactose Intolerance??

Means you're dairy intolerant and the sugar helps kill off the digestive
process.
Lactose intolerance was made up by the dairy industry to localize a
substance so they could cure it. problem.

"Anostica" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Dear all:

I am wondering if I have suddenly become lactose intolerant. It is
something which has become bothersome for me in the last 2 years.
Anyways, I can stand most milk products. I can drink warm milk fine,
can eat yougurt, and cheeses. But what affects me the most is Ice cream
and cold milk. I drink those two things, and I have bloating, and
diarrhea. Does this mean I'm lactose intolerant?

Would appreciate any responses,
-Anostica

Means you're dairy intolerant and the sugar helps kill off the digestive
process.
Lactose intolerance was made up by the dairy industry to localize a
substance so they could cure it. problem.

"Anostica" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Dear all:

I am wondering if I have suddenly become lactose intolerant. It is
something which has become bothersome for me in the last 2 years.
Anyways, I can stand most milk products. I can drink warm milk fine,
can eat yougurt, and cheeses. But what affects me the most is Ice cream
and cold milk. I drink those two things, and I have bloating, and
diarrhea. Does this mean I'm lactose intolerant?

Would appreciate any responses,
-Anostica

Means you're dairy intolerant and the sugar helps kill off the digestive
process.
Lactose intolerance was made up by the dairy industry to localize a
substance so they could cure it. problem.

"Anostica" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Dear all:

I am wondering if I have suddenly become lactose intolerant. It is
something which has become bothersome for me in the last 2 years.
Anyways, I can stand most milk products. I can drink warm milk fine,
can eat yougurt, and cheeses. But what affects me the most is Ice cream
and cold milk. I drink those two things, and I have bloating, and
diarrhea. Does this mean I'm lactose intolerant?

Would appreciate any responses,
-Anostica

On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 23:26:15 -0500, "Piezo Guru" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Means you're dairy intolerant

No, it means that the person is lactose intolerant, not dairy
intolerant (as mentioned in the original mail, yoghurt and cheese are
OK). The lactose is removed by the bacteria during fermentation of
cheese and yoghurt. Hence no problems with these products.

Quoted message said:

and the sugar helps kill off the digestive
process.

??? The sugar stimulates the fermentation in the intestine, that is
why you get th eproblems...

Quoted message said:

Lactose intolerance was made up by the dairy industry to localize a
substance so they could cure it.

Lactose intolerance is well known as a biochemical change in th
elactase production in the small intestine. Has nothing to do with the
industry...

Ralf
www.food-info.net General
http://www.food-info.net/english/topics/to.php?c=all-lact on lactose
intolerance

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"Anostica" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Dear all:

I am wondering if I have suddenly become lactose intolerant. It is
something which has become bothersome for me in the last 2 years.
Anyways, I can stand most milk products. I can drink warm milk fine,
can eat yougurt, and cheeses. But what affects me the most is Ice cream
and cold milk. I drink those two things, and I have bloating, and
diarrhea. Does this mean I'm lactose intolerant?

Would appreciate any responses,
-Anostica

On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 23:26:15 -0500, "Piezo Guru" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Means you're dairy intolerant

No, it means that the person is lactose intolerant, not dairy
intolerant (as mentioned in the original mail, yoghurt and cheese are
OK). The lactose is removed by the bacteria during fermentation of
cheese and yoghurt. Hence no problems with these products.

Quoted message said:

and the sugar helps kill off the digestive
process.

??? The sugar stimulates the fermentation in the intestine, that is
why you get th eproblems...

Quoted message said:

Lactose intolerance was made up by the dairy industry to localize a
substance so they could cure it.

Lactose intolerance is well known as a biochemical change in th
elactase production in the small intestine. Has nothing to do with the
industry...

Ralf
www.food-info.net General
http://www.food-info.net/english/topics/to.php?c=all-lact on lactose
intolerance

Quoted message said:

"Anostica" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Dear all:

I am wondering if I have suddenly become lactose intolerant. It is
something which has become bothersome for me in the last 2 years.
Anyways, I can stand most milk products. I can drink warm milk fine,
can eat yougurt, and cheeses. But what affects me the most is Ice cream
and cold milk. I drink those two things, and I have bloating, and
diarrhea. Does this mean I'm lactose intolerant?

Would appreciate any responses,
-Anostica

Quoted message said:

I am wondering if I have suddenly become lactose intolerant. It is
something which has become bothersome for me in the last 2 years.
Anyways, I can stand most milk products. I can drink warm milk fine,
can eat yougurt, and cheeses. But what affects me the most is Ice cream
and cold milk. I drink those two things, and I have bloating, and
diarrhea. Does this mean I'm lactose intolerant?

It sounds like you are.
There is a very simple, cheap and reliable test for this you can make at any
medical laboratory.
(All you have to do is drink a solution of lactose and have your blood taken
after some time).

Quoted message said:

I am wondering if I have suddenly become lactose intolerant. It is
something which has become bothersome for me in the last 2 years.
Anyways, I can stand most milk products. I can drink warm milk fine,
can eat yougurt, and cheeses. But what affects me the most is Ice cream
and cold milk. I drink those two things, and I have bloating, and
diarrhea. Does this mean I'm lactose intolerant?

It sounds like you are.
There is a very simple, cheap and reliable test for this you can make at any
medical laboratory.
(All you have to do is drink a solution of lactose and have your blood taken
after some time).

More information on food intolerance, food allergy etc :
http://www.food-info.net/english/topics/to.php?c=all-intro

Ralf

Quoted message said:

On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 23:26:15 -0500, "Piezo Guru" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Means you're dairy intolerant

No, it means that the person is lactose intolerant, not dairy
intolerant (as mentioned in the original mail, yoghurt and cheese are
OK). The lactose is removed by the bacteria during fermentation of
cheese and yoghurt. Hence no problems with these products.

Quoted message said:

and the sugar helps kill off the digestive
process.

??? The sugar stimulates the fermentation in the intestine, that is
why you get th eproblems...

Quoted message said:

Lactose intolerance was made up by the dairy industry to localize a
substance so they could cure it.

Lactose intolerance is well known as a biochemical change in th
elactase production in the small intestine. Has nothing to do with the
industry...

Ralf
www.food-info.net General
http://www.food-info.net/english/topics/to.php?c=all-lact on lactose
intolerance

Quoted message said:

"Anostica" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Dear all:

I am wondering if I have suddenly become lactose intolerant. It is
something which has become bothersome for me in the last 2 years.
Anyways, I can stand most milk products. I can drink warm milk fine,
can eat yougurt, and cheeses. But what affects me the most is Ice cream
and cold milk. I drink those two things, and I have bloating, and
diarrhea. Does this mean I'm lactose intolerant?

Would appreciate any responses,
-Anostica

Ralf Hartemink said:

??? The sugar stimulates the fermentation in the intestine, that is
why you get th eproblems...

the sugars are quite quite active as osmolyes. Not being broken
down,they withdraw water from cells into intestines reversing the
water absorption. Later, in colon, bacteria will find these sugars
intact and break them down and utilize it for their own reproduction,
making gas, like CO2 and methane from that.

Water plus gas gives an quite impressive compulsion effect while
defecating :-) And the gas which may start production of already in
intestines when bacteria is there, can be very painful.

Incidence in Finnish people is quite high, and also other
non-domesticated people where people historically didn¨'t live on
unfermented milk. Tribes in Africa living on unfermented milk don't
have problems with lactose intolerance, since they share that gene
modification that made drinking milk possible after infancy possible,
while other tribes only using soured milk has high incidencies of it.

By the way, many people trained to drink unfermented milk from
childhood don't develope the intolerance until something happens that
stops drinking it on daily basis, like stomach infections giving
diarrhoea or being on holidays on places where you cannot buy
unfermented milk. After such period, intolerance may be revealed.

There is also socalled secondary intolerances to be found also in
lactose tolerant people. When having diarrhoea, the lactase producing
cells may be damaged and keeping on drinking milk may then maintain
that cell killing. Quitting for a week or two or even more of drinking
anything that may contain lactose may cure that inhibition and you may
then tolerate milk again. But never restart by saying ahhhh and
pouring down a liter or two of milk. Start very careful, with a
teaspoon of milk daily for the first week or so, hten increase slowly
until you are able to drink liters of milk again. If you start to feel
stomach pain, go back to step one, keep off a week or two, then a
teaspoon or so daily and double the dose everyother week. In the end,
your body ignore the problems.

MMu said:

It sounds like you are.
There is a very simple, cheap and reliable test for this you can make at any
medical laboratory.
(All you have to do is drink a solution of lactose and have your blood taken
after some time).

there are better and much more sensitive methods today. Like ingestion
C13 marked lactose and measure the CO2 exhaled.
If it doesn't turn up, you are intolerant.
(I have two nieces diagnosed that way, most possibly my brother and my
sister-in-law has both the genes for the original lactase expression
regulation. (and sometimes it seems like I have the same problem, but
milk protein allergy was my prime problem in childhood, but today I
may drink youghurt, but has to use only small quantities because that
one is most often sweetened with sugar :-( Being diabetic I makes it
only usable when having hypoglycemic episodes, so I try to have at
least one available in my fridge in my tiny flat at work in Oslo.
Fortunately they are much more storable than stated outside the
package. Drinking 2 month old youghurt is no problem at all if stored
cool :-) )

MMu said:

It does make sense if you know that lacose is not a monosugar.
The blood is not screened for lactose- it is screened for glucose.
A glucose blood test is always readily available in any medical laboratory.

It is screened also for galactose

Very interesting theory but what is the point of terrorizing your body?

"Alf Christophersen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Ralf Hartemink said:

??? The sugar stimulates the fermentation in the intestine, that is
why you get th eproblems...

the sugars are quite quite active as osmolyes. Not being broken
down,they withdraw water from cells into intestines reversing the
water absorption. Later, in colon, bacteria will find these sugars
intact and break them down and utilize it for their own reproduction,
making gas, like CO2 and methane from that.

Water plus gas gives an quite impressive compulsion effect while
defecating :-) And the gas which may start production of already in
intestines when bacteria is there, can be very painful.

Incidence in Finnish people is quite high, and also other
non-domesticated people where people historically didn¨'t live on
unfermented milk. Tribes in Africa living on unfermented milk don't
have problems with lactose intolerance, since they share that gene
modification that made drinking milk possible after infancy possible,
while other tribes only using soured milk has high incidencies of it.

By the way, many people trained to drink unfermented milk from
childhood don't develope the intolerance until something happens that
stops drinking it on daily basis, like stomach infections giving
diarrhoea or being on holidays on places where you cannot buy
unfermented milk. After such period, intolerance may be revealed.

There is also socalled secondary intolerances to be found also in
lactose tolerant people. When having diarrhoea, the lactase producing
cells may be damaged and keeping on drinking milk may then maintain
that cell killing. Quitting for a week or two or even more of drinking
anything that may contain lactose may cure that inhibition and you may
then tolerate milk again. But never restart by saying ahhhh and
pouring down a liter or two of milk. Start very careful, with a
teaspoon of milk daily for the first week or so, hten increase slowly
until you are able to drink liters of milk again. If you start to feel
stomach pain, go back to step one, keep off a week or two, then a
teaspoon or so daily and double the dose everyother week. In the end,
your body ignore the problems.

204 02-09-05 21:00
"Piezo Guru" <[email hidden]> posted:
pg> Lactose intolerance was made up by the dairy industry to localize a
pg> substance so they could cure it.

Ralf Hartemink <[email hidden]> replied:
Ra> Lactose intolerance is well known as a biochemical change in th
Ra> elactase production in the small intestine. Has nothing to do with
Ra> the industry...

Question: Could lactose intolerance on the part of so many humans
be Mother Nature's "hint" to the human race that cow's (or goat's)
milk should not be consumed? Once infants are weanned from their
human mother's milk, Mother Nature may not want humans to drink
milk from animal sources.

As usual, humans do not "listen" to Mother Nature.

.... End of message 09 Feb 05 21:16
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I agree with Alf on this one. I suspect I experienced
temporary lactose intolerance. I had all the symptoms
and the lactase supplements really helped. Now,
I can drink milk by the glass full and not be
bothered.

"Piezo Guru" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Very interesting theory but what is the point of terrorizing your body?

"Alf Christophersen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Ralf Hartemink said:

??? The sugar stimulates the fermentation in the intestine, that is
why you get th eproblems...

the sugars are quite quite active as osmolyes. Not being broken
down,they withdraw water from cells into intestines reversing the
water absorption. Later, in colon, bacteria will find these sugars
intact and break them down and utilize it for their own reproduction,
making gas, like CO2 and methane from that.

Water plus gas gives an quite impressive compulsion effect while
defecating :-) And the gas which may start production of already in
intestines when bacteria is there, can be very painful.

Incidence in Finnish people is quite high, and also other
non-domesticated people where people historically didn¨'t live on
unfermented milk. Tribes in Africa living on unfermented milk don't
have problems with lactose intolerance, since they share that gene
modification that made drinking milk possible after infancy possible,
while other tribes only using soured milk has high incidencies of it.

By the way, many people trained to drink unfermented milk from
childhood don't develope the intolerance until something happens that
stops drinking it on daily basis, like stomach infections giving
diarrhoea or being on holidays on places where you cannot buy
unfermented milk. After such period, intolerance may be revealed.

There is also socalled secondary intolerances to be found also in
lactose tolerant people. When having diarrhoea, the lactase producing
cells may be damaged and keeping on drinking milk may then maintain
that cell killing. Quitting for a week or two or even more of drinking
anything that may contain lactose may cure that inhibition and you may
then tolerate milk again. But never restart by saying ahhhh and
pouring down a liter or two of milk. Start very careful, with a
teaspoon of milk daily for the first week or so, hten increase slowly
until you are able to drink liters of milk again. If you start to feel
stomach pain, go back to step one, keep off a week or two, then a
teaspoon or so daily and double the dose everyother week. In the end,
your body ignore the problems.

Quoted message said:

there are better and much more sensitive methods today. Like ingestion
C13 marked lactose and measure the CO2 exhaled.
If it doesn't turn up, you are intolerant.

I heard of that method as well, its more expensive than the blood screening
though (because you need the C13 marked lactose and an apparatus to measure
the C[13]O2).
But I admit it's a whole lot more precise than blood screening.

On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:11:27 -0500, "Piezo Guru" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Very interesting theory but what is the point of terrorizing your body?

Parents may be so interested to feed the kids milk with the mentioned
effects.
I understand you have never had that pain of having lactose
intolerance and being forced by parents to drink milk.

I myself didn't have that, but after a row of nettle fevers after
drinking homogenized and pasteurized milk instead of lukewarm milk
directly from cow (which I had been drinking since child, but was
banned completely when I was 12 because a local tuberculosis
outbreak), I got the permit to stop drinking it, and no more nettle
fever outbreak. Today, more than 40 year later I can drink a little of
homogenized milk, but now I don't like the taste of it, so Im
restricting it to youghurt and rømme (a kind of soured cream).

On 10 Feb 2005 03:31:02 GMT, [email hidden] (George

Lagergren) said:

Question: Could lactose intolerance on the part of so many humans
be Mother Nature's "hint" to the human race that cow's (or goat's)
milk should not be consumed? Once infants are weanned from their
human mother's milk, Mother Nature may not want humans to drink
milk from animal sources.

You are right when it comes to those who has not gotten the illness of
being lactose tolerant:-)
But, soured milk is drinkable for everyone, more or less, since the
lactose that has escaped fermentation, most probably will be taken
care of by bacterial flora in the intestines long time before the
lactose will do any harm.

Only a few "tribes" has the genetic modification of not turning of
expression of lactase after weanling off the babies. The Kaukasian
tribe is most probably the most prominent one.
Finnish-Ugrarian on the other hand is mostly lactose intolerant. They
was not a cow-herding tribe.

"Alf Christophersen" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Quoted message said:

Ralf Hartemink said:

??? The sugar stimulates the fermentation in the intestine, that
is
why you get th eproblems...

the sugars are quite quite active as osmolyes. Not being broken
down,they withdraw water from cells into intestines reversing the
water absorption. Later, in colon, bacteria will find these sugars
intact and break them down and utilize it for their own
reproduction,
making gas, like CO2 and methane from that.

Water plus gas gives an quite impressive compulsion effect while
defecating :-) And the gas which may start production of already
in
intestines when bacteria is there, can be very painful.

Incidence in Finnish people is quite high, and also other
non-domesticated people where people historically didn¨'t live on
unfermented milk. Tribes in Africa living on unfermented milk
don't
have problems with lactose intolerance, since they share that gene
modification that made drinking milk possible after infancy
possible,
while other tribes only using soured milk has high incidencies of
it.

By the way, many people trained to drink unfermented milk from
childhood don't develope the intolerance until something happens
that
stops drinking it on daily basis, like stomach infections giving
diarrhoea or being on holidays on places where you cannot buy
unfermented milk. After such period, intolerance may be revealed.

There is also socalled secondary intolerances to be found also in
lactose tolerant people. When having diarrhoea, the lactase
producing
cells may be damaged and keeping on drinking milk may then
maintain
that cell killing. Quitting for a week or two or even more of
drinking
anything that may contain lactose may cure that inhibition and you
may
then tolerate milk again. But never restart by saying ahhhh and
pouring down a liter or two of milk. Start very careful, with a
teaspoon of milk daily for the first week or so, hten increase
slowly
until you are able to drink liters of milk again. If you start to
feel
stomach pain, go back to step one, keep off a week or two, then a
teaspoon or so daily and double the dose everyother week. In the
end,
your body ignore the problems.

My mother in the UK (age 91) has used milk all her life, but in the
last year or so has complained of bloating and gas. Gradually I came
to realize that this seemed to be largely milk related, and she
dropped it from her (hourly :-)) cup of tea. The problem seems to
have abated over a few weeks.
While in the UK, I was unable to find a source of lactase enzyme,
which is readily available OTC here in the US. Our brand 'Lactaid'
is now on its way to her for a trial.
Have you found a lactase supplement useful, Alf.?
Info about a UK or European brand may be helpful.

Thanks for giving us the benefit of your perspective. Very helpful!
Regards
MikeV

On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:40:14 GMT, "MikeV" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

While in the UK, I was unable to find a source of lactase enzyme,
which is readily available OTC here in the US. Our brand 'Lactaid'
is now on its way to her for a trial.
Have you found a lactase supplement useful, Alf.?
Info about a UK or European brand may be helpful.

Since I am not so much keen on drinking milk, and use almost only
soured milk, I haven't had so much problem about it.

But I know my cousins has been drinking soured milk when feeling
bloated and they say it helps.

I think I have seen lactaid in pharmaceuticals (apotek). I think it is
without any prescriptions. There are also other preparats, by name is
not what I have searched for.