Is this for real?

Ozark Bicycle said:

"Mavic discontinued the legendary MA3, renowned for it's bomber
sturdiness and lightweight":

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http://tinyurl.com/oky7m

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... or maybe it's cleverly disguised comedy? Remember awhile back
when Nashbar was clearing out MA-40s? The caption read: "these won't
last long". Hmmm... ;-)

The MA-3 was a dud anyway, having no sockets to distribute load to the
inner wall of the rim. That's why they broke out around spoke holes.
I don't see why the MA-2 is not returned to the market. Now that IS a
bomb proof rim.

Jobst Brandt

Quoted message said:

Ozark Bicycle said:

"Mavic discontinued the legendary MA3, renowned for it's bomber
sturdiness and lightweight":

Quoted message said:

http://tinyurl.com/oky7m

Quoted message said:

... or maybe it's cleverly disguised comedy? Remember awhile back
when Nashbar was clearing out MA-40s? The caption read: "these won't
last long". Hmmm... ;-)

The MA-3 was a dud anyway, having no sockets to distribute load to the
inner wall of the rim. That's why they broke out around spoke holes.
I don't see why the MA-2 is not returned to the market. Now that IS a
bomb proof rim.

I know MA3s have been (mercifully) discontinued; I was commenting on
the "renowned for it's bomber sturdiness and lightweight" part. I
wonder if there is some in house irony at work in the Nashbar copy
department (e.g., MA-40s "won't last long'😉. Sorry if I wasn't clear.

Quoted message said:

The MA-3 was a dud anyway, having no sockets to distribute load to
the inner wall of the rim. That's why they broke out around spoke
holes.

They replaced it by the "OpenSport" featuring at least eyelet, not
sure if those are sockets...

--
MfG/Best regards
helmut springer

Ozark Bicycle said:

"Mavic discontinued the legendary MA3, renowned for it's bomber
sturdiness and lightweight":

http://tinyurl.com/oky7m

....or maybe it's cleverly disguised comedy? Remember awhile back when
Nashbar was clearing out MA-40s? The caption read: "these won't last
long". Hmmm...... ;-)

They didn't really discontinue the MA-3...they made it stronger after
many had eyelets pull out and have renamed it the OpenSport.....

Helmut Springer said:

Quoted message said:

The MA-3 was a dud anyway, having no sockets to distribute load to
the inner wall of the rim. That's why they broke out around spoke
holes.

Quoted message said:

They replaced it by the "OpenSport" featuring at least eyelet, not
sure if those are sockets...

Those are eyelets, not sockets. Sockets are cups that rest on the
inner floor of the rim and an the outer and are held in place by an
eyelet. Somehow the rim business decided that all the good rims of
the past that had this feature and never cracked around spoke hole
were wrong. So now we have rims that crack and have spokes break out
of rims.

Deep aero rims are structurally able to handle these loads without
sockets, but then they weigh proportionately more for all the extra
cross section that doesn't do any good anyway other than make the
bicycle handle poorly in crosswinds.

Jobst Brandt

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Ozark Bicycle said:

"Mavic discontinued the legendary MA3, renowned for it's bomber
sturdiness and lightweight":

http://tinyurl.com/oky7m

....or maybe it's cleverly disguised comedy? Remember awhile back when
Nashbar was clearing out MA-40s? The caption read: "these won't last
long". Hmmm...... ;-)

They didn't really discontinue the MA-3...they made it stronger after
many had eyelets pull out and have renamed it the OpenSport.....

I was really commenting on the description: "the legendary MA3,
renowned for it's bomber sturdiness and lightweight". I wonder if that
was a bit "tongue in cheek", or was it serious?

I guess I didn't make that clear in the original post.

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Ozark Bicycle said:

"Mavic discontinued the legendary MA3, renowned for it's bomber
sturdiness and lightweight":

Perhaps they are commenting honestly, but aren't saying *which* bomber
is being used for the comparison. There have been a few designs of
that type of aircraft whose airworthiness was questionable at best.

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Werehatrack said:

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Ozark Bicycle writes:

> "Mavic discontinued the legendary MA3, renowned for it's bomber
> sturdiness and lightweight":

Perhaps they are commenting honestly, but aren't saying *which* bomber
is being used for the comparison. There have been a few designs of
that type of aircraft whose airworthiness was questionable at best.

Hmmm......good point. The WWII era B-26 comes to mind.....

And, the comment regarding those clearance MA-40s ("these won't last
long"😉 makes me think a prankster may be at work. ;-)

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<[email hidden]>,
"Ozark Bicycle" <[email hidden]>

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Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Ozark Bicycle said:

"Mavic discontinued the legendary MA3, renowned for it's bomber
sturdiness and lightweight":

http://tinyurl.com/oky7m

....or maybe it's cleverly disguised comedy? Remember awhile back when
Nashbar was clearing out MA-40s? The caption read: "these won't last
long". Hmmm...... ;-)

They didn't really discontinue the MA-3...they made it stronger after
many had eyelets pull out and have renamed it the OpenSport.....

I was really commenting on the description: "the legendary MA3,
renowned for it's bomber sturdiness and lightweight". I wonder if that
was a bit "tongue in cheek", or was it serious?

I guess I didn't make that clear in the original post.

Oh, it was quite clear to me. When the jokes get subtler,
they become easier to miss; particularly if someone is
speed reading. "Won't last long."

--
Michael Press

jobst.brandt said:

Ozark Bicycle said:

"Mavic discontinued the legendary MA3, renowned for it's bomber
sturdiness and lightweight":

Quoted message said:

http://tinyurl.com/oky7m

Quoted message said:

... or maybe it's cleverly disguised comedy? Remember awhile back
when Nashbar was clearing out MA-40s? The caption read: "these won't
last long". Hmmm... ;-)

If you look around, you can often get Ultegra/OpenPro/DT-DB at that price.

Quoted message said:

The MA-3 was a dud anyway, having no sockets to distribute load to the
inner wall of the rim. That's why they broke out around spoke holes. I
don't see why the MA-2 is not returned to the market. Now that IS a
bomb proof rim.

However it's made, the CXP33 seems really sturdy too.

Matt O.

jobst.brandt said:

Deep aero rims are structurally able to handle these loads without
sockets, but then they weigh proportionately more for all the extra
cross section that doesn't do any good anyway other than make the
bicycle handle poorly in crosswinds.

Semi-aero, ~25mm depth rims such as the CXP33 or the Sun Venus I'm
riding now (Rolf Sestriere) are only an ounce heavier, and have no
significant handling problems.

Now, if we could only get them in plain, polished silver!

Matt O.

Ozark Bicycle said:

I know MA3s have been (mercifully) discontinued; I was commenting on
the "renowned for it's bomber sturdiness and lightweight" part. I
wonder if there is some in house irony at work in the Nashbar copy
department (e.g., MA-40s "won't last long'😉. Sorry if I wasn't clear.

Yup, it's funny.

Matt O.

Werehatrack said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Ozark Bicycle writes:

> "Mavic discontinued the legendary MA3, renowned for it's bomber
> sturdiness and lightweight":

Perhaps they are commenting honestly, but aren't saying *which* bomber
is being used for the comparison. There have been a few designs of
that type of aircraft whose airworthiness was questionable at best.

Gotta get with the lingo -- bomber == bombproof, old rockclimbers' slang,
now universal kidspeak via "extreme sports" marketing.

Matt O.

Ozark Bicycle said:

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Ozark Bicycle said:

"Mavic discontinued the legendary MA3, renowned for it's bomber
sturdiness and lightweight":

http://tinyurl.com/oky7m

....or maybe it's cleverly disguised comedy? Remember awhile back when
Nashbar was clearing out MA-40s? The caption read: "these won't last
long". Hmmm...... ;-)

They didn't really discontinue the MA-3...they made it stronger after
many had eyelets pull out and have renamed it the OpenSport.....

I was really commenting on the description: "the legendary MA3,
renowned for it's bomber sturdiness and lightweight". I wonder if that
was a bit "tongue in cheek", or was it serious?

I guess I didn't make that clear in the original post.

Mavic is the king of marketing BS, so I wasn't surprised about their
silly comment. Seems like a bunch of ski techs and shoe makers are
still running the show at Mavic.

Peter Chisholm said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> "Mavic discontinued the legendary MA3, renowned for it's bomber
> sturdiness and lightweight":

http://tinyurl.com/oky7m

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> ...or maybe it's cleverly disguised comedy? Remember awhile
> back when Nashbar was clearing out MA-40s? The caption read:
> "these won't last long". Hmmm... ;-)

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

They didn't really discontinue the MA-3... they made it stronger
after many had eyelets pull out and have renamed it the
OpenSport...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I was really commenting on the description: "the legendary MA3,
renowned for it's bomber sturdiness and lightweight". I wonder if
that was a bit "tongue in cheek", or was it serious?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I guess I didn't make that clear in the original post.

Quoted message said:

Mavic is the king of marketing BS, so I wasn't surprised about their
silly comment. Seems like a bunch of ski techs and shoe makers are
still running the show at Mavic.

That is the impression I got when the first dark anodized Mavic rims
appeared. They started by messing with the ubiquitous MA-2, the rim
that practically every standard touring and racing bicycle had and for
which replacements could be found in every bicycle shop here and in
Europe. Unfortunately the anodizing gimmick spread to all rims and
some was hard and thick causing rim failures left and right, so to
speak. They backed off on that but we are still stuck with all their
enhancements that increase cost of manufacture and price greatly
without any benefit to the user. Unfortunately, just as in politics,
there are enough users who believe in all the hype about these rim
features and assure that Mavic stays on this course.

Jobst Brandt

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Mavic is the king of marketing BS, so I wasn't surprised about their
silly comment. Seems like a bunch of ski techs and shoe makers are
still running the show at Mavic.

That is the impression I got when the first dark anodized Mavic rims
appeared. They started by messing with the ubiquitous MA-2, the rim
that practically every standard touring and racing bicycle had and for
which replacements could be found in every bicycle shop here and in
Europe. Unfortunately the anodizing gimmick spread to all rims and
some was hard and thick causing rim failures left and right, so to
speak. They backed off on that but we are still stuck with all their
enhancements that increase cost of manufacture and price greatly
without any benefit to the user. Unfortunately, just as in politics,
there are enough users who believe in all the hype about these rim
features and assure that Mavic stays on this course.

Ironically, it may have been competition that caused Mavic to drop their
reliable, boring, everyday rims in favor of designs their marketing
department could better deal with. Sun Metal, in particular, was beginning
to close in on what Mavic had been doing in the past.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

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Peter Chisholm said:

Quoted message said:

>> "Mavic discontinued the legendary MA3, renowned for it's bomber
>> sturdiness and lightweight":

http://tinyurl.com/oky7m

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>> ...or maybe it's cleverly disguised comedy? Remember awhile
>> back when Nashbar was clearing out MA-40s? The caption read:
>> "these won't last long". Hmmm... ;-)

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> They didn't really discontinue the MA-3... they made it stronger
> after many had eyelets pull out and have renamed it the
> OpenSport...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I was really commenting on the description: "the legendary MA3,
renowned for it's bomber sturdiness and lightweight". I wonder if
that was a bit "tongue in cheek", or was it serious?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I guess I didn't make that clear in the original post.

Quoted message said:

Mavic is the king of marketing BS, so I wasn't surprised about their
silly comment. Seems like a bunch of ski techs and shoe makers are
still running the show at Mavic.

That is the impression I got when the first dark anodized Mavic rims
appeared. They started by messing with the ubiquitous MA-2, the rim
that practically every standard touring and racing bicycle had and for
which replacements could be found in every bicycle shop here and in
Europe. Unfortunately the anodizing gimmick spread to all rims and
some was hard and thick causing rim failures left and right, so to
speak. They backed off on that but we are still stuck with all their
enhancements that increase cost of manufacture and price greatly
without any benefit to the user. Unfortunately, just as in politics,
there are enough users who believe in all the hype about these rim
features and assure that Mavic stays on this course.

Jobst Brandt