IS the UCI serious?

[email hidden] (ronde chumpion) wrote in
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The UCI is considering a ban on the communication system
between Sport Directors and riders, just as was done in
football, as the FIFA has forbidden the use of this
system. The argument is that riders can loose their
concentration by listening, talking or by tuning their pocket-
radio. Sport directors, so far, are heavily against this
UCI idea. (HNB)

Taken from www.cycling4all.com 08-03-04

I don't necessarily agree with the UCI that radio
communications are "dangerous". However, I think it makes
the racing tactics a lot more boring. With radios the chance
of a GC contender sneaking into a break unnoticed is
virtually nill. That is why I would ban them, to liven up
the racing.

Quoted message said:

I don't necessarily agree with the UCI that radio
communications are "dangerous". However, I think it makes
the racing tactics a lot more

boring.

Quoted message said:

With radios the chance of a GC contender sneaking into a
break unnoticed

is

Quoted message said:

virtually nill. That is why I would ban them, to liven up
the racing.

I agree, it takes a lot of fun out of racing. It has always
surprised me how fast radio communications were accepted as
conservative as cycling is.

"Boyd Speerschneider" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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[email hidden] (ronde chumpion) wrote in
:"]news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

The UCI is considering a ban on the communication system
between Sport Directors and riders, just as was done in
football, as the FIFA has forbidden the use of this
system. The argument is that riders can loose their
concentration by listening, talking or by tuning their
pocket-radio. Sport directors, so far, are heavily
against this UCI idea. (HNB)

Taken from www.cycling4all.com 08-03-04

I don't necessarily agree with the UCI that radio
communications are "dangerous". However, I think it makes
the racing tactics a lot more

boring.

Quoted message said:

With radios the chance of a GC contender sneaking into a
break unnoticed

is

Quoted message said:

virtually nill. That is why I would ban them, to liven up
the racing.

Ronald said:

Quoted message said:

I don't necessarily agree with the UCI that radio
communications are "dangerous". However, I think it makes
the racing tactics a lot more

boring.

Quoted message said:

With radios the chance of a GC contender sneaking into a
break unnoticed

is

Quoted message said:

virtually nill. That is why I would ban them, to liven up
the racing.

I agree, it takes a lot of fun out of racing. It has
always surprised me how fast radio communications were
accepted as conservative as cycling is.

If anything, radio commincations is considerably safer. Is
it better to have team cars storming past the peloton to
communicate with a rider in a break? Anything which reduces
car/cyclist interactions is, to me, a positive.

I agree, however, radio communications do affect the
"game", especially with the augmentation of numeric data
channels, like HR & power. Still, whether the tactical
result is more "boring", as opposed to just different, is a
matter of opinion.

Dan

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<[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

The UCI is considering a ban on the communication system
between Sport Directors and riders, just as was done in
football, as the FIFA has forbidden the use of this
system. The argument is that riders can loose their
concentration by listening, talking or by tuning their pocket-
radio. Sport directors, so far, are heavily against this
UCI idea. (HNB)

You would think they would come up with a better excuse for
getting rid of radios. Have there been any incidents they
can point to?
-------------
Alex

"Alex Rodriguez" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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<[email hidden]>,
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The UCI is considering a ban on the communication system
between Sport Directors and riders, just as was done in
football, as the FIFA has

forbidden

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the use of this system. The argument is that riders can
loose their concentration by listening, talking or by
tuning their pocket-radio. Sport directors, so far, are
heavily against this UCI idea. (HNB)

You would think they would come up with a better excuse
for getting rid of radios. Have there been any incidents
they can point to?
-------------
Alex

This reminds me of when aero brake levers started being
used. The USCF questioned all clubs about any accidents
happening because riders' hands slipped off the top of the
brake hood because of no brake cable being there as a
restraint. Quite funny at the time. I'm certain radios are
at least as dangerous aero brake levers.

Boyd Speerschneider said:

I don't necessarily agree with the UCI that radio
communications are "dangerous". However, I think it makes
the racing tactics a lot more boring. With radios the
chance of a GC contender sneaking into a break unnoticed is
virtually nill. That is why I would ban them, to liven up
the racing.

I agree with that.

JT

B. Lafferty said:

as a restraint. Quite funny at the time. I'm certain
radios are at least as dangerous aero brake levers.

Except perhaps the Profile ones...

"Dan Connelly" <djconnel@i_e_e_e._o_r_g> wrote in message

Quoted message said:

If anything, radio commincations is considerably safer. Is
it better to

have

Quoted message said:

team cars storming past the peloton to communicate with a
rider in a

break?

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Anything which reduces car/cyclist interactions is, to me,
a positive.

It is highly unusual for team cars to "storm past the
peloton" to communicate with riders in the break. A cursory
examination of the UCI rules does not designate a specific
time gap between the break and the peloton where the
commissaire allows team cars to move up to the break, but
generally the break must exceed a minute time gap in order
for a team car to advance to the break.

BTW, the UCI has some cute nomenclature: it refers to
musettes as "Bonk Bags" (rule 2.2.05) and rule 2.2.027 "The
purloining of goods from anyone at all is strictly
forbidden."

Quoted message said:

I agree, however, radio communications do affect the
"game", especially with the augmentation of numeric data
channels, like HR & power. Still, whether the tactical
result is more "boring", as opposed to just

different,

Quoted message said:

is a matter of opinion.

Dan

I think Museeuw's comments after KBK were very indicative
that the radios play too much of a role in racing: Johan
Museeuw blamed the team's ear radios, that weren't working
well. "We didn't know, for instance, how good Bettini felt
and whether he was sure of winning the sprint. Therefore we
had to gamble. Do we let Paolo, still an absolute top rider,
commit himself? Or do we chase still? Finally we chose for
the latter just a bit too late."

Alex Rodriguez <[email hidden]> wrote in
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In article
<[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

The UCI is considering a ban on the communication system
between Sport Directors and riders, just as was done in
football, as the FIFA has forbidden the use of this
system. The argument is that riders can loose their
concentration by listening, talking or by tuning their pocket-
radio. Sport directors, so far, are heavily against this
UCI idea. (HNB)

You would think they would come up with a better excuse
for getting rid of radios. Have there been any incidents
they can point to? -------------

Kivilev.

-Owen

Boyd Speerschneider said:

I don't necessarily agree with the UCI that radio
communications are "dangerous". However, I think it makes
the racing tactics a lot more boring. With radios the
chance of a GC contender sneaking into a break unnoticed
is virtually nill. That is why I would ban them, to liven
up the racing.

Yes, certainly. The sport is dying because the racing is
boring. It may as well be baseball.

How about the guys on motorcycles with chalkboards? Should
we ban them also? The chance of a GC contender sneaking into
a break unnoticed is virtually nil with those guys around.

They should make them race the Tour unsupported and on fixed
gears. That's how Garin did it.

Bob Schwartz [email hidden]

Carl Sundquist said:

I think Museeuw's comments after KBK were very indicative
that the radios play too much of a role in racing: Johan
Museeuw blamed the team's ear radios, that weren't working
well. "We didn't know, for instance, how good Bettini felt
and whether he was sure of winning the sprint. Therefore
we had to gamble. Do we let Paolo, still an absolute top
rider, commit himself? Or do we chase still? Finally we
chose for the latter just a bit too late."

I was at the Stephen Roche Mallorca camp in 2002, and
spoke to him about this subject. He was strongly against
radios. Obviously he didn't think team cars communicating
with riders were a problem, and who am I to disagree with
him? In any case, the support vehicles move up to cover
breaks anyway.

Nevertheless, it seems the need for rider
communication increases the pressure on team vehicles.
But maybe I'm wrong.

Still, it hardly seems to me likely that radios are a
safety concern.

Dan

"Dan Connelly" <djconnel@i_e_e_e._o_r_g> wrote in message

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Still, it hardly seems to me likely that radios are a
safety concern.

Dan

Agreed.

[email hidden] (ronde chumpion) wrote in
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Quoted message said:

The UCI is considering a ban on the communication system
between Sport Directors and riders, just as was done in
football, as the FIFA has forbidden the use of this
system. The argument is that riders can loose their
concentration by listening, talking or by tuning their pocket-
radio. Sport directors, so far, are heavily against this
UCI idea. (HNB)

Taken from www.cycling4all.com 08-03-04

I'm wondering if maybe the UCI might only allow 1 rider per
team(ie the road captain) wear the radio as a concession.

Bob Schwartz said:

They should make them race the Tour unsupported and on
fixed gears. That's how Garin did it.

I thought Garin had a one speed?

Robert Chung said:

Bob Schwartz said:

They should make them race the Tour unsupported and on
fixed gears. That's how Garin did it.

I thought Garin had a one speed?

There are many misconception that surrounds the epic figure
of Garin. For one, most people think that he was a frog. He
wasn't. The frogs nationalized him because he was a great
rider, someone to be proud of. But he was a Northern
Italian, born near Aosta.

Davide Tosi said:

But [Garin] was a Northern Italian, born near Aosta.

Yes, see memoire-du-memoire-du-Open ↗
cyclisme.net/lexique/naturalisations.php What would have
been his name, Maurizio Garino?

Davide Tosi said:

Robert Chung said:

Bob Schwartz said:

They should make them race the Tour unsupported and on
fixed gears. That's how Garin did it.

I thought Garin had a one speed?

There are many misconception that surrounds the epic
figure of Garin. For one, most people think that he was a
frog. He wasn't. The frogs nationalized him because he was
a great rider, someone to be proud of. But he was a
Northern Italian, born near Aosta.

Ah, well, that counts for a lot. Being born Italian must
explain that little lapse in language comprehension when he
mistook the phrase "bicycle race" to mean "train ride."

"Carl Sundquist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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I think Museeuw's comments after KBK were very indicative
that the radios play too much of a role in racing: Johan
Museeuw blamed the team's ear radios, that weren't working
well. "We didn't know, for instance, how good Bettini felt
and whether he was sure of winning the sprint. Therefore
we had to gamble. Do we let Paolo, still an absolute top
rider, commit himself? Or do we chase still? Finally we
chose for the latter just a bit too late."

Yeah, and look how sucky that race turned out to be.

So are you saying it would have been a more or less exciting
if QS brought it back? It might have been a bunch sprint,
but the excitement was already had.

That Paris-Nice stage yesterday really sucked.

Ewoud Dronkert said:

Davide Tosi said:

But [Garin] was a Northern Italian, born near Aosta.

Yes, see memoire-du-memoire-du-Open ↗
cyclisme.net/lexique/naturalisations.php What would have
been his name, Maurizio Garino?

No. Garin was Garin. Family names ending with consonants are
absolutely normal in the Alpine regions (see Rebellin,
Fondriest, Moser and many many others). Anyway, even if it
was a french-isation of an Italian family name, the original
would not have been Garin-o, since names ending in -o mean a
Southern origin. The only exception are some family names
ending in -ato in the region near Venice.

As far as the first know, I don't know. It may have been
already Maurice instead of Maurizio, since in the region
near Aosta people are bilingual, they speak both French and
Italian and at those times, the French language was probably
more used than the Italian one, there.