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  1. I have a three year old Cygo Light with a NiCD battery. It has been
    lightly used but not particularly well cared for. Its probably been
    left on trickle charge for more than 24 hours a few times and its
    probably been allowed to run pretty low a few times.

    I charged it up for about 17 hours on Wednesday as recommended for the
    battery and charger I have. I used it on Friday and the little red
    LED on the light showed low power within twenty minutes of usage of
    both the lights. I was able to use the low wattage light for another
    half hour without the red LED coming on.

    This seems like pretty poor performance. Is the little red LED an
    accurate gauge of the battery ? Is three years old for a battery ?
    Has the battery been damged ? What light and battery would others
    recommend ?

    I've read a few threads about lights and chargers, but I haven't seen
    any clear cut recommendations for a good commercial system.

  2. Matt Cahill said:

    I have a three year old Cygo Light with a NiCD battery. It has been
    lightly used but not particularly well cared for. Its probably been
    left on trickle charge for more than 24 hours a few times and its
    probably been allowed to run pretty low a few times.

    I charged it up for about 17 hours on Wednesday as recommended for the
    battery and charger I have. I used it on Friday and the little red
    LED on the light showed low power within twenty minutes of usage of
    both the lights. I was able to use the low wattage light for another
    half hour without the red LED coming on.

    This seems like pretty poor performance. Is the little red LED an
    accurate gauge of the battery ? Is three years old for a battery ?
    Has the battery been damged ? What light and battery would others
    recommend ?

    I've read a few threads about lights and chargers, but I haven't seen
    any clear cut recommendations for a good commercial system.

    If your battery has been sitting unused for awhile, a few cycles will probably
    bring it back. Try charging/discharging it a few times (but don't ever run it
    completely flat).

    I have an old Nightsun Sunsport system that sits for months sometimes. The
    first few times it lasts only a few minutes, but after a few cycles it's always
    as good as new.

    Matt O.

  3. (Matt Cahill) said:

    I have a three year old Cygo Light with a NiCD battery. It has been
    lightly used but not particularly well cared for. Its probably been
    left on trickle charge for more than 24 hours a few times and its
    probably been allowed to run pretty low a few times.

    NiCD batteries survive about 500 - 1000 charge / discharge cycles on
    average. If you are a frequently users of your light, then you
    probably wore out your NiCD cells.

    The good news, though, is that just about everybody uses standard
    cells, although the jerkey bike companies try to hide this fact and
    they try to force you to buy new product by providing "custom cells"
    which are really just packs of standard cells, glued together. If you
    are willing to make the effort, you can probably open your battery up
    and replace the standard cells with fresh AA or AAA NiCD's and it will
    be good for another 3 years.

    - Don Gillies
    San Diego, CA

  4. Matt Cahill said:

    I have a three year old Cygo Light with a NiCD battery. It has been
    lightly used but not particularly well cared for. Its probably been left
    on trickle charge for more than 24 hours a few times and its probably
    been allowed to run pretty low a few times.
    I charged it up for about 17 hours on Wednesday as recommended for the
    battery and charger I have. I used it on Friday and the little red LED
    on the light showed low power within twenty minutes of usage of both the
    lights. I was able to use the low wattage light for another half hour
    without the red LED coming on.
    This seems like pretty poor performance. Is the little red LED an
    accurate gauge of the battery ? Is three years old for a battery ? Has
    the battery been damged ? What light and battery would others
    recommend ?
    I've read a few threads about lights and chargers, but I haven't seen
    any clear cut recommendations for a good commercial system.

    NiCads have some of the problems you describe. Sometimes they form some
    internal "discharge wiskers" that can be minimized by charging and
    dischaging. If this fails, you can try zapping it with an overvoltage to
    "blow away the wiskers". Be very careful as this may make the batteries
    explode or at the very least make them useless. I would only try it as a
    last ditch effort. I have tried it with some sucess.. another 50 - 80
    rides worth before the batteries gave up. There are many new lights out
    there that use NiMH; some with non-propritary batteries... like the new
    on from Performance that uses AA batteries and a 5 Watt LED that
    produces 120 lumens. You might want to see if that is sufficient
    illumination and proper pattern for your eyes and the type of riding you
    do. A couple of advantages for the LED are:
    1. They last for a long time
    2. They can put the emitted light wavelength(s) into the visible
    spectrum, and therfore minimize energy emission in infrared (that
    mostly is heat) and ultraviolet (which your eye can't see without
    special lenses). The Non-proprietary batteries have many advantages,
    one of which you can get a feel for right now.... as your
    proprietary battery pack may be at or near end of life. Off the
    shelf Alkalines can get you going if you light dies and charging
    isn't an option. NiMH technologies are improving for more power
    density and better charging... and they are widely available in AA
    as well as other sizes.

    --

  5. Matt Cahill said:

    I have a three year old Cygo Light with a NiCD battery. It has been
    lightly used but not particularly well cared for. Its probably been
    left on trickle charge for more than 24 hours a few times and its
    probably been allowed to run pretty low a few times.

    I charged it up for about 17 hours on Wednesday as recommended for the
    battery and charger I have. I used it on Friday and the little red
    LED on the light showed low power within twenty minutes of usage of
    both the lights. I was able to use the low wattage light for another
    half hour without the red LED coming on.

    This seems like pretty poor performance. Is the little red LED an
    accurate gauge of the battery ? Is three years old for a battery ?
    Has the battery been damged ? What light and battery would others
    recommend ?

    I've read a few threads about lights and chargers, but I haven't seen
    any clear cut recommendations for a good commercial system.

    Try discharging it completely (by leaving the lights on) then leaving it
    on charge for 18 hours or so. Repeat a few times and it should be
    better. NiCd batteries should really be discharged completely before
    recharging, although this is inconvenient if you want to make sure they
    won't expire in the middle of a ride. The more expensive Li-ion
    batteries are more resistant to "memory effects" and weigh less.

  6. Matt Cahill said:

    I have a three year old Cygo Light with a NiCD battery. It has been
    lightly used but not particularly well cared for. Its probably been
    left on trickle charge for more than 24 hours a few times and its
    probably been allowed to run pretty low a few times.

    Trickle charging for 24+ hours isn't too bad, but deep discharging can
    cause problems. It can reverse charge weak cells.

    Give it a full charge, and measure voltage if you can borrow a volt meter.
    I suspect you may have one or more shorted cells.

    Art Harris

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