Is Michael Jackson Innocent?

I had intended to wtach that TV prohram (C4 ?) but I didn't get to see it.

There seems to be a lot of allegations about Jackson and his alleged behaviour
concerning children.

I take the view that, without proof, it is impossible to ascertain the veracity
of the allegations.
The allegations could be true.
On the other hand the allegations may be false and are being made for publicity/money purposes.
But without proof, I have to say that we cannot accuse him of being guilty.

limerickman said:

I had intended to wtach that TV prohram (C4 ?) but I didn't get to see it.

There seems to be a lot of allegations about Jackson and his alleged behaviour
concerning children.

I take the view that, without proof, it is impossible to ascertain the veracity
of the allegations.
The allegations could be true.
On the other hand the allegations may be false and are being made for publicity/money purposes.
But without proof, I have to say that we cannot accuse him of being guilty.

Do you take that view with regard to the Lance Armstrong doping allegations?

If he's innocent, the implications are horrendous as the media is wrecking his life.
Supposing Jackson does indeed have the mind of a child and his sleeping with these boys at Neverland is just totally innocent? The media has realy turned him into some kind of a pervert so it would be soul-destroying (for him) anyway if the allegations are false.
If he's guilty, well that's a different matter.
The program started by pointing out Michael's relationship with women was totally phoney and the suggestion was made he's incapable of continuing relations with women. His marriage to Lisa Marie was highlighted as a failure.
However, some people are totally asexual which might explain Michael's apparent innocence over the whole issue. Why would a guilty man openly confess boys share his bed during a public media interview? And now it turns out that some of his accusers have previous records for swindle and fraud with money.
Myself I simply don't have a clue as to whether Michael is innocent or what but I saw all the documentaries.

limerickman said:

I had intended to wtach that TV prohram (C4 ?) but I didn't get to see it.

There seems to be a lot of allegations about Jackson and his alleged behaviour
concerning children.

I take the view that, without proof, it is impossible to ascertain the veracity
of the allegations.
The allegations could be true.
On the other hand the allegations may be false and are being made for publicity/money purposes.
But without proof, I have to say that we cannot accuse him of being guilty.

Bikerman2004 said:

Do you take that view with regard to the Lance Armstrong doping allegations?

Ha! Limmy lives on Fantasy Island. He and his little catching friend on the down low, Fred C. That is C for catcher. Lim would be the pitcher but he is of course straight, just on the down low.

This also explains the lack of opinion on the gloved one. You see, little Fred C (Tattoo) reminds Limmy of a little boy but he of course is legal. Which brings up the question: Does Fred C shave for the full effect? 😄

Weisse Luft said:

Ha! Limmy lives on Fantasy Island. He and his little catching friend on the down low, Fred C. That is C for catcher. Lim would be the pitcher but he is of course straight, just on the down low.

This also explains the lack of opinion on the gloved one. You see, little Fred C (Tattoo) reminds Limmy of a little boy but he of course is legal. Which brings up the question: Does Fred C shave for the full effect? 😄

I'm not trying to provoke anyone with what I posted. I know what Limerickman's position is on LA. I have read the evidence that Limerickman has posted to support his allegations. I understand when he says that the improvement is to good to be true. I wonder sometimes myself. But at this point they are only allegations.

Bikerman2004 said:

Do you take that view with regard to the Lance Armstrong doping allegations?

Why are you introducing a point about Armstrong's alleged doping - in to a far, far more serious topic about allegations of child abuse ?

Weisse Luft said:

Ha! Limmy lives on Fantasy Island. He and his little catching friend on the down low, Fred C. That is C for catcher. Lim would be the pitcher but he is of course straight, just on the down low.

This also explains the lack of opinion on the gloved one. You see, little Fred C (Tattoo) reminds Limmy of a little boy but he of course is legal. Which brings up the question: Does Fred C shave for the full effect? 😄

For someone who's entire contribution to this entire forum is based on conjecture, lies and propoganda - I thought you'd have learnt lesson after being put to rights in the discussion about the returned detainees ?

Seems, your kind never learn from history.

limerickman said:

Why are you introducing a point about Armstrong's alleged doping - in to a far, far more serious topic about allegations of child abuse ?

Just answer the question.

Bikerman2004 said:

Just answer the question.

No.

This is not the subject matter of this thread.
You are being flippant introducing a topic like that to a thread dealing with a more serious issue.

limerickman said:

No.

This is not the subject matter of this thread.
You are being flippant introducing a topic like that to a thread dealing with a more serious issue.

Or are you being flippant in stating that someone is innocent till proven guilty. You've convicted LA without any proof. Shouldn't you apply this principle to everyone?

I agree that this is beyond the scope of this thread but he does have a point. Why do you afford Jackson the courtesy of "Innocenty until proven guilty" but restrain that basic right from Armstrong.
Oops sorry...getting off topic. Back to the thread

I don't know if he is guilty and won't presume anything otherwise until the court dictates. However, if he is guilty I sure as hell hope he gets what he deserves. I am so sick of seeing the rich and famous get off because they are rich and famous. If he does go to jail he will definitely get what he deserves as child molesters are considered to be the lowest of life forms even amongst criminals.

limerickman said:

No.

This is not the subject matter of this thread.
You are being flippant introducing a topic like that to a thread dealing with a more serious issue.

limerickman said:

For someone who's entire contribution to this entire forum is based on conjecture, lies and propoganda - I thought you'd have learnt lesson after being put to rights in the discussion about the returned detainees ?

Seems, your kind never learn from history.

Lighten up. I installed the emoticon but I guess poofta Irish have thin skin. 😉

And why the "your kind"? Just proving my point, ergo you are a bigot? You really don't need to do that as we all know you are, well, save your little catcher boy, Fred C and his understudy for the next 4 years, Ryan Velo.

I seriously doubt Michael could handle prison. He's way too fragile. But if he's innocent I think he should get millions in compensation.

birdman23 said:

I agree that this is beyond the scope of this thread but he does have a point. Why do you afford Jackson the courtesy of "Innocenty until proven guilty" but restrain that basic right from Armstrong.
Oops sorry...getting off topic. Back to the thread

I don't know if he is guilty and won't presume anything otherwise until the court dictates. However, if he is guilty I sure as hell hope he gets what he deserves. I am so sick of seeing the rich and famous get off because they are rich and famous. If he does go to jail he will definitely get what he deserves as child molesters are considered to be the lowest of life forms even amongst criminals.

This is best continued on another thread but isn't it obvious all virtually all elite athletes use some kind of chemical assistance? Even Merckx. Millar got caught because he was clumsy, Armstrong is too smart to get caught. But Armstrong doesn't win just because of drugs, he busts his ass as well and trains hard.

Bikerman2004 said:

Or are you being flippant in stating that someone is innocent till proven guilty. You've convicted LA without any proof. Shouldn't you apply this principle to everyone?

Weisse Luft said:

Ha! Limmy lives on Fantasy Island. He and his little catching friend on the down low, Fred C. That is C for catcher. Lim would be the pitcher but he is of course straight, just on the down low.

This also explains the lack of opinion on the gloved one. You see, little Fred C (Tattoo) reminds Limmy of a little boy but he of course is legal. Which brings up the question: Does Fred C shave for the full effect? 😄

Listen Rabbi Weissfeatherstein. You never answer any pertinent questions, so why join in this with something completely wrong again. Yes, I know it's a habit, but anyone, and everyone knows I am totally opposed to Lim about his views on Armstrong. Anyway I've come to the conclusion that you are not proper Jew, you are a half-breed, a mishlinge in German.

FredC said:

Listen Rabbi Weissfeatherstein. You never answer any pertinent questions, so why join in this with something completely wrong again. Yes, I know it's a habit, but anyone, and everyone knows I am totally opposed to Lim about his views on Armstrong. Anyway I've come to the conclusion that you are not proper Jew, you are a half-breed, a mishlinge in German.

While Limmy is a bigot, his sawed-off sidekick catcher boy is a racist. How fitting.

Who cares if anyone is a "half-breed"? I bet your great-great grandmother was raped by a Norseman who wore a helmet with horns on it. And you want to call me a "half-breed"? Must be the barbarian talking. And that goes for Limmy-boy too. 😄

No, I am not the "proper" Jew. Gasp! I have Hebrew ancestory that was repressed long before arrival to the United States because of anti-Semitic bigots in Europe. The persecution didn't begin with Limmy's idol, herr adolph [censored]. And it didn't stop when Allied Forces captured Berlin.

Weisse Luft said:

Lighten up. I installed the emoticon but I guess poofta Irish have thin skin. 😉

And why the "your kind"? Just proving my point, ergo you are a bigot? You really don't need to do that as we all know you are, well, save your little catcher boy, Fred C and his understudy for the next 4 years, Ryan Velo.

You have posted lies and untruths throughout this forum.
You have made false and malicious accusations about Arabs, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Islam at various points.

At each turn, what you have posted has been contested and proven to be wrong.
This will continue.

The easy way out of this - is to start posting information which is factual.

It's your choice.

So, try to overcome your natural inclination - by telling the truth.

No doubt. He would probably keel over in the first week. I don't know that I would agree with him getting millions if he is innocent. Some recompense definitely needs to given to him but why make the rich richer? If you were falsely accused would you get millions? Probably not, you could try but chances are you wouldn't get much. How many innocent people have spent years in prison only to be proven innocent later on through the use of DNA? How much are they getting compensated. Nada in most cases. It sucks but what can you do about it.

Carrera said:

I seriously doubt Michael could handle prison. He's way too fragile. But if he's innocent I think he should get millions in compensation.

Carrera said:

I seriously doubt Michael could handle prison. He's way too fragile. But if he's innocent I think he should get millions in compensation.

There are criminal charges, as far as I understand facing Jackson, and he is due to go to trial at the end of the month, I understand.

In light of the OJ Simpson case - unfortunately, it's the celebrity angel which
interests the media and not the story of the alleged victims.

I agree with you Carrera, I do not think that Jackson could handle prison.