Is MFW in decline?

Charles said:

Are observations of MFW's decline into the mundane, as a forerunner of
the possibility of total collapse, premature?

Indications to the affirmative include the almost daily reduction in
the number of posts submitted, and the absence of a number of regular
contributors.

What cannot be denied is the dramatic change in the dynamics of the
Group, for whatever reason, which has changed input from the
abrasively eccentric to the most ordinary boringly repetitive!!

Have the former 'leading lights' been beaten at their own game, and
gone off to other forums to try to throw their weight around?

Shall we ever know the truth, or see its like again?

Have a great weekend folks; I'm having an enforced break from the diet
for the next few days - so it's obvious yet again that I intend to!!
;o)

TFIF!!

Only being a reader of MFW for 8 months I can't really comment on its
change (which must have happened) over time. Your post does however
mirror other changes I have seen on the net over the years. We started
#41plus on efnet in '91 or '92. I was only 40 then. Over the years the
regulars moved on and a few call in from time to time. I was a founder
of another top 6 IRC network some years back but even that now doesn't
attract to much of my attention. Even my ISP is talking about dumping
their news server as it soaks up a Terra byte or more of downloads (for
them) a day and most is never used and dumped sometime later. It seems
that a new generation is now into forums, MSN, ICQ etc. The magic has
worn off for most of us "older" netizens.

However, like the Web, this group has some spring water, every now and
again, hidden within the sewer which will keep me coming back. I am
still in sponge mode and trying to learn all I can.

G'day

--
Bob Volkmer
rev@IRC

rev *an* said:

Charles said:

Are observations of MFW's decline into the mundane, as a forerunner of
the possibility of total collapse, premature?

Indications to the affirmative include the almost daily reduction in
the number of posts submitted, and the absence of a number of regular
contributors.

What cannot be denied is the dramatic change in the dynamics of the
Group, for whatever reason, which has changed input from the
abrasively eccentric to the most ordinary boringly repetitive!!

Have the former 'leading lights' been beaten at their own game, and
gone off to other forums to try to throw their weight around?

Shall we ever know the truth, or see its like again?

Have a great weekend folks; I'm having an enforced break from the diet
for the next few days - so it's obvious yet again that I intend to!!
;o)

TFIF!!

Only being a reader of MFW for 8 months I can't really comment on its
change (which must have happened) over time. Your post does however
mirror other changes I have seen on the net over the years. We started
#41plus on efnet in '91 or '92. I was only 40 then. Over the years the
regulars moved on and a few call in from time to time. I was a founder
of another top 6 IRC network some years back but even that now doesn't
attract to much of my attention. Even my ISP is talking about dumping
their news server as it soaks up a Terra byte or more of downloads (for
them) a day and most is never used and dumped sometime later. It seems
that a new generation is now into forums, MSN, ICQ etc. The magic has
worn off for most of us "older" netizens.

However, like the Web, this group has some spring water, every now and
again, hidden within the sewer which will keep me coming back. I am
still in sponge mode and trying to learn all I can.

On a good day this has to be the best newsgroup in Usenet, but we are
seeing very few 'good days' over a considerable period of time now.

HAGW!

TFIF!!

"Charles" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Are observations of MFW's decline into the mundane, as a forerunner of
the possibility of total collapse, premature?

Indications to the affirmative include the almost daily reduction in
the number of posts submitted, and the absence of a number of regular
contributors.

What cannot be denied is the dramatic change in the dynamics of the
Group, for whatever reason, which has changed input from the
abrasively eccentric to the most ordinary boringly repetitive!!

Have the former 'leading lights' been beaten at their own game, and
gone off to other forums to try to throw their weight around?

Shall we ever know the truth, or see its like again?

Have a great weekend folks; I'm having an enforced break from the diet
for the next few days - so it's obvious yet again that I intend to!!
;o)

TFIF!!

Yes, I agree that this group is in a free fall. Nothing can save it. BRING
BACK JOHN HUDSON!!!

Charles said:

Are observations of MFW's decline into the mundane, as a forerunner of
the possibility of total collapse, premature?

Indications to the affirmative include the almost daily reduction in
the number of posts submitted, and the absence of a number of regular
contributors.

A day without Lyle is a day without sunshine.

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What cannot be denied is the dramatic change in the dynamics of the
Group, for whatever reason, which has changed input from the
abrasively eccentric to the most ordinary boringly repetitive!!

Have the former 'leading lights' been beaten at their own game, and
gone off to other forums to try to throw their weight around?

I think he's taking his speed skating seriously.

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Shall we ever know the truth, or see its like again?

Have a great weekend folks; I'm having an enforced break from the diet
for the next few days - so it's obvious yet again that I intend to!!
;o)

TFIF!!

"T" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

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Charles said:

Are observations of MFW's decline into the mundane, as a forerunner of
the possibility of total collapse, premature?

Indications to the affirmative include the almost daily reduction in
the number of posts submitted, and the absence of a number of regular
contributors.

A day without Lyle is a day without sunshine.

Quoted message said:

What cannot be denied is the dramatic change in the dynamics of the
Group, for whatever reason, which has changed input from the
abrasively eccentric to the most ordinary boringly repetitive!!

Have the former 'leading lights' been beaten at their own game, and
gone off to other forums to try to throw their weight around?

I think he's taking his speed skating seriously.

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Shall we ever know the truth, or see its like again?

Have a great weekend folks; I'm having an enforced break from the diet
for the next few days - so it's obvious yet again that I intend to!!
;o)

TFIF!!

I heard that Lyle ran off with his two lesbians and Mistress Krista - they
are living in a trailer somewhere in Mexico

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Charles said:

Are observations of MFW's decline into the mundane, as a forerunner of
the possibility of total collapse, premature?

Indications to the affirmative include the almost daily reduction in
the number of posts submitted, and the absence of a number of regular
contributors.

What cannot be denied is the dramatic change in the dynamics of the
Group, for whatever reason, which has changed input from the
abrasively eccentric to the most ordinary boringly repetitive!!

Have the former 'leading lights' been beaten at their own game, and
gone off to other forums to try to throw their weight around?

Shall we ever know the truth, or see its like again?

The ultimate decline is when trolls like Hudson here make MFW his own
personal whining/gossip forum. Talk about filling up the group with
meaningless [censored]. Add the whacko, political extremists, it becomes an
unsavory place for almost anyone.

I still continue conversations and projects offline.

For Hudson to [censored] about the decline of MFW is the ultimate irony. He
personifys the trivilization of everything imaginable. And is, no dougt, a
major factor is the decline of wextern civilization.

Lee Michaels said:

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Charles said:

Are observations of MFW's decline into the mundane, as a

forerunner of

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the possibility of total collapse, premature?

Indications to the affirmative include the almost daily reduction

in

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the number of posts submitted, and the absence of a number of

regular

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contributors.

What cannot be denied is the dramatic change in the dynamics of

the

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Group, for whatever reason, which has changed input from the
abrasively eccentric to the most ordinary boringly repetitive!!

Have the former 'leading lights' been beaten at their own game,

and

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gone off to other forums to try to throw their weight around?

Shall we ever know the truth, or see its like again?

The ultimate decline is when trolls like Hudson here make MFW his own

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personal whining/gossip forum. Talk about filling up the group with
meaningless [censored]. Add the whacko, political extremists, it becomes an

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unsavory place for almost anyone.

Word.

In article <[email hidden]>, Charles

Quoted message said:

Are observations of MFW's decline into the mundane, as a forerunner of
the possibility of total collapse, premature?

What cannot be denied is the dramatic change in the dynamics of the
Group, for whatever reason, which has changed input from the
abrasively eccentric to the most ordinary boringly repetitive!!

for awhile there, the off-topic flame-wars surrounding the American
Presidential elections eclipsed everything else; i conjecture it had a
chilling effect for various reasons.

k

On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 11:34:46 GMT, "David" <[email hidden]>

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"Charles" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Are observations of MFW's decline into the mundane, as a forerunner of
the possibility of total collapse, premature?

Indications to the affirmative include the almost daily reduction in
the number of posts submitted, and the absence of a number of regular
contributors.

What cannot be denied is the dramatic change in the dynamics of the
Group, for whatever reason, which has changed input from the
abrasively eccentric to the most ordinary boringly repetitive!!

Have the former 'leading lights' been beaten at their own game, and
gone off to other forums to try to throw their weight around?

Shall we ever know the truth, or see its like again?

Have a great weekend folks; I'm having an enforced break from the diet
for the next few days - so it's obvious yet again that I intend to!!
;o)

TFIF!!

Yes, I agree that this group is in a free fall. Nothing can save it. BRING
BACK JOHN HUDSON!!!

WHO?

Lee Michaels said:

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Charles said:

Are observations of MFW's decline into the mundane, as a forerunner of
the possibility of total collapse, premature?

Indications to the affirmative include the almost daily reduction in
the number of posts submitted, and the absence of a number of regular
contributors.

What cannot be denied is the dramatic change in the dynamics of the
Group, for whatever reason, which has changed input from the
abrasively eccentric to the most ordinary boringly repetitive!!

Have the former 'leading lights' been beaten at their own game, and
gone off to other forums to try to throw their weight around?

Shall we ever know the truth, or see its like again?

The ultimate decline is when trolls like Hudson here make MFW his own
personal whining/gossip forum.

My cup runneth over; oh lah!!

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Talk about filling up the group with
meaningless [censored]. Add the whacko, political extremists, it becomes an
unsavory place for almost anyone.

Quite so, quite so old chap!!

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I still continue conversations and projects offline.

That must be difficult unless you do it telepathically!!

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For Hudson to [censored] about the decline of MFW is the ultimate irony. He
personifys the trivilization of everything imaginable.

I do hope so Lee, particularly if you are the personification of all
that's good here!! ;o)

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And is, no dougt, a
major factor is the decline of wextern civilization.

I must be a trifle modest here, as I can't in all honesty claim all
the credit for bringing down "western civilization"!! ;o)

Have a great weekend you silly old [censored] - I'm going to!! ;o)

TFIF!!

[I am supposed to be in your "killfiles", yet here you are again
responding directly to me!]

On 18 Feb 2005 06:13:54 -0800, "elzinator" <[email hidden]>

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Lee Michaels said:

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Charles wrote:
> Are observations of MFW's decline into the mundane, as a

forerunner of

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> the possibility of total collapse, premature?
>
> Indications to the affirmative include the almost daily reduction

in

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> the number of posts submitted, and the absence of a number of

regular

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> contributors.
>
> What cannot be denied is the dramatic change in the dynamics of

the

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> Group, for whatever reason, which has changed input from the
> abrasively eccentric to the most ordinary boringly repetitive!!
>
> Have the former 'leading lights' been beaten at their own game,

and

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> gone off to other forums to try to throw their weight around?
>
> Shall we ever know the truth, or see its like again?
>

The ultimate decline is when trolls like Hudson here make MFW his own

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personal whining/gossip forum. Talk about filling up the group with
meaningless [censored]. Add the whacko, political extremists, it becomes an

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unsavory place for almost anyone.

Word.

I'll see your "word" and raise you a "duh" - or is it "doh"? ;o)

Have a great weekend Elzi darling - you know I will!! ;o)

TFIF!!

Lee Michaels said:

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Charles said:

Are observations of MFW's decline into the mundane, as
a forerunner of the possibility of total collapse,
premature?

Indications to the affirmative include the almost
daily reduction in the number of posts submitted, and
the absence of a number of regular contributors.

What cannot be denied is the dramatic change in the
dynamics of the Group, for whatever reason, which has
changed input from the abrasively eccentric to the
most ordinary boringly repetitive!!

Have the former 'leading lights' been beaten at their
own game, and gone off to other forums to try to throw
their weight around?

Shall we ever know the truth, or see its like again?

The ultimate decline is when trolls like Hudson here make
MFW his own personal whining/gossip forum.

That is nothing new, and it is something which has occurred
since the inception of this newsgroup. The perceived
decline is actually a result of people ignoring him, no
matter how persistently he trolls.

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Talk about filling up the group with
meaningless [censored]. Add the whacko, political extremists,
it becomes an unsavory place for almost anyone.

There are ways to deal with that, Lee, but if people
don't like it, they have to do something more than just
[censored] and moan. Actually, there seem to be two varieties
of political extremists:

[a] those who end up in MFW after cross-posting from
political newsgroups (most recently, can.politics), and

[b] those like Henry Hansteen, who intentionally post
off-topic political messages and morph their email
addresses to avoid killfiles, all in the deluded belief
that they can effect political change by annoying people.

As to the latter, I have already posted the solution. In
Henry's case, I really do believe that if a number of
people complained to Cornell University about his practices,
they would do something about it. To respect his right to
free speech, they might just tell him to limit his posts to
the appropriate newsgroups, which would serve the desired
purpose for MFW, but Henry would hate that, and if he
continued his practices, and if MFW readers readers
continued to complain, they would eventually suspend his
Usenet privileges, since his purpose would clearly be one
of harassment. If people really want him to stop doing this
(as opposed to them simply engaging in gratuitous [censored]
and moaning), they will eventually seek such a solution.

As to the cross-posted ranters, the simple solution is to
post a single response to their post with MFW clipped from
the distribution. They'll continue ranting and raving in
their chosen political newsgroup, and if you don't read
that newsgroup, it will be as though they disappeared.
If they then add MFW back into the distribution, you can
complain to their ISP about them intentionally cross-posting
inflammatory, off-topic messages into an inappropriate
newsgroup.

I know: nobody wants to be a netcop. But if you really
think it's a problem, you need to do something more than
just complaining publicly.

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I still continue conversations and projects offline.

For Hudson to [censored] about the decline of MFW is the
ultimate irony. He personifys the trivilization of
everything imaginable. And is, no dougt, a
major factor is the decline of wextern civilization.

JMW said:

Lee Michaels said:

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Charles wrote:
> Are observations of MFW's decline into the mundane, as
> a forerunner of the possibility of total collapse,
> premature?
>
> Indications to the affirmative include the almost
> daily reduction in the number of posts submitted, and
> the absence of a number of regular contributors.
>
> What cannot be denied is the dramatic change in the
> dynamics of the Group, for whatever reason, which has
> changed input from the abrasively eccentric to the
> most ordinary boringly repetitive!!
>
> Have the former 'leading lights' been beaten at their
> own game, and gone off to other forums to try to throw
> their weight around?
>
> Shall we ever know the truth, or see its like again?
>

The ultimate decline is when trolls like Hudson here make
MFW his own personal whining/gossip forum.

That is nothing new, and it is something which has occurred
since the inception of this newsgroup. The perceived
decline is actually a result of people ignoring him,

The "perceived decline" is an absolute fact if you care to check the
criteria I offered in support of my assertion.

I am only ignored by those that can't compete with me, which has been
proven time and time again. I enjoy being ignored by those people,
because they never write anything that is of the slightest interest to
me, they are always vexatious, and not having to respond to them
(which I always will) removes a great deal of aggravation from my
life.

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no matter how persistently he trolls.

How come it's "trolling" when I post to the group, or "whining" as the
idiot Michaels puts it, yet when either of you post to the Group, it
is always of gravitas and correct and proper? Another load of old
bollocks Williams!! ;o)

Let's face it johnny, you and silly old Lee "troll" here far more than
I ever do. Who in their right mind responds to the Hankeyman, other
than you? (which doesn't infer that you are of sound mind)

And who in their right mind would send "whiny" & "troll" posts to the
Group, complaining about someone else "whining" and "trolling"? Only
Lee Michaels, that's who; a miserable old [censored] who is several
shillings short of a complete pound!!

At least I inject a little humour from time to time!! ;o)

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Talk about filling up the group with
meaningless [censored]. Add the whacko, political extremists,
it becomes an unsavory place for almost anyone.

Quoted message said:

For Hudson to [censored] about the decline of MFW is the
ultimate irony. He personifys the trivilization of
everything imaginable. And is, no dougt, a
major factor is the decline of wextern civilization.

Some folks are just desperate for attention.

Is that what it's all about john boy?

Who has craved more attention than you over the years with your serial
"trolling"? Just because you have been forced into virtual retirement,
doesn't mean that you are reformed. You've just been beaten at your
own game!!

I promised you a long time ago Williams, that I would resist you and
any other bullies here, and I shall continue so to do. If that has
been responsible for a shift in what goes on here, so be it.

Have a great weekend John - you know I will!! ;o)

TFIF!!

Charles said:

JMW said:

Lee Michaels said:

> Charles wrote:
>> Are observations of MFW's decline into the mundane, as
>> a forerunner of the possibility of total collapse,
>> premature?
>>
>> Indications to the affirmative include the almost
>> daily reduction in the number of posts submitted, and
>> the absence of a number of regular contributors.
>>
>> What cannot be denied is the dramatic change in the
>> dynamics of the Group, for whatever reason, which has
>> changed input from the abrasively eccentric to the
>> most ordinary boringly repetitive!!
>>
>> Have the former 'leading lights' been beaten at their
>> own game, and gone off to other forums to try to throw
>> their weight around?
>>
>> Shall we ever know the truth, or see its like again?
>>

The ultimate decline is when trolls like Hudson here make
MFW his own personal whining/gossip forum.

That is nothing new, and it is something which has occurred
since the inception of this newsgroup. The perceived
decline is actually a result of people ignoring him,

The "perceived decline" is an absolute fact if you care to check the
criteria I offered in support of my assertion.

I am only ignored by those that can't compete with me, which has been
proven time and time again. I enjoy being ignored by those people,
because they never write anything that is of the slightest interest

to

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me, they are always vexatious, and not having to respond to them
(which I always will) removes a great deal of aggravation from my
life.

Ignoring your egocentric and narcissistic comments, we ignore you (and
the other trolls) because all you do is troll. Trolls can be amusing at
times, but over the past year most have grown painfully tedious and
boring. We get tired of weeding through the [censored] in the threads and
thus killfile you and the other trolls. Some of us have even given up
on mfw.

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no matter how persistently he trolls.

How come it's "trolling" when I post to the group, or "whining" as

the

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idiot Michaels puts it, yet when either of you post to the Group, it
is always of gravitas and correct and proper? Another load of old
bollocks Williams!! ;o)

It's all relative.

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Let's face it johnny, you and silly old Lee "troll" here far more

than

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I ever do. Who in their right mind responds to the Hankeyman, other
than you? (which doesn't infer that you are of sound mind)

Good point.
Pot kettle black

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At least I inject a little humour from time to time!! ;o)

I suspect it 'humors' only yourself.

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Talk about filling up the group with
meaningless [censored]. Add the whacko, political extremists,
it becomes an unsavory place for almost anyone.

Quoted message said:

For Hudson to [censored] about the decline of MFW is the
ultimate irony. He personifys the trivilization of
everything imaginable. And is, no dougt, a
major factor is the decline of wextern civilization.

Some folks are just desperate for attention.

Is that what it's all about john boy?

Who has craved more attention than you over the years with your

serial

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"trolling"? Just because you have been forced into virtual

retirement,

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doesn't mean that you are reformed. You've just been beaten at your
own game!!

It takes one troll to know another and play together.

Why am I responding? Need a distraction from writing papers, you aren't
killfiled on Google, and a few points were worth commenting on.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Lee Michaels said:

For Hudson to [censored] about the decline of MFW is the ultimate irony. He
personifys the trivilization of everything imaginable.

That he is a primary cause of that decline, is as you say, the ultimate
irony. It's like Neal Fabian saying it, etc. That like so many trolls,
he has to now use another name (which I also ignore now) to get people
to respond to the trolling, is all the more typical and sad.

--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

In article <[email hidden]>,

JMW said:

Lee Michaels said:

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Charles wrote:
> Are observations of MFW's decline into the mundane, as
> a forerunner of the possibility of total collapse,
> premature?
>
> Indications to the affirmative include the almost
> daily reduction in the number of posts submitted, and
> the absence of a number of regular contributors.
>
> What cannot be denied is the dramatic change in the
> dynamics of the Group, for whatever reason, which has
> changed input from the abrasively eccentric to the
> most ordinary boringly repetitive!!
>
> Have the former 'leading lights' been beaten at their
> own game, and gone off to other forums to try to throw
> their weight around?
>
> Shall we ever know the truth, or see its like again?
>

The ultimate decline is when trolls like Hudson here make
MFW his own personal whining/gossip forum.

That is nothing new, and it is something which has occurred
since the inception of this newsgroup. The perceived
decline is actually a result of people ignoring him, no
matter how persistently he trolls.

Which is why he had to use the oldest of troll tricks: when enough
people ignore you, change your name.

--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

On 18 Feb 2005 08:46:29 -0800, "elzinator" <[email hidden]>

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Charles said:

JMW said:

Lee Michaels wrote:
> > Charles wrote:
> >> Are observations of MFW's decline into the mundane, as
> >> a forerunner of the possibility of total collapse,
> >> premature?
> >>
> >> Indications to the affirmative include the almost
> >> daily reduction in the number of posts submitted, and
> >> the absence of a number of regular contributors.
> >>
> >> What cannot be denied is the dramatic change in the
> >> dynamics of the Group, for whatever reason, which has
> >> changed input from the abrasively eccentric to the
> >> most ordinary boringly repetitive!!
> >>
> >> Have the former 'leading lights' been beaten at their
> >> own game, and gone off to other forums to try to throw
> >> their weight around?
> >>
> >> Shall we ever know the truth, or see its like again?
> >>
>
> The ultimate decline is when trolls like Hudson here make
> MFW his own personal whining/gossip forum.

That is nothing new, and it is something which has occurred
since the inception of this newsgroup. The perceived
decline is actually a result of people ignoring him,

The "perceived decline" is an absolute fact if you care to check the
criteria I offered in support of my assertion.

I am only ignored by those that can't compete with me, which has been
proven time and time again. I enjoy being ignored by those people,
because they never write anything that is of the slightest interest

to

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me, they are always vexatious, and not having to respond to them
(which I always will) removes a great deal of aggravation from my
life.

Ignoring your egocentric and narcissistic comments,

That's rich coming from you and some of the other opinionated farts
that roam the corridors of MFW!!

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we ignore you (and
the other trolls) because all you do is troll.

That's patently not true, although I do get involved with head-on
confrontations with some of the bloated egos here, that think that by
being combative and competitive, together with infantile name-calling
suggesting that *I'm* a "troll", that they aren't "trolling"!!

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Trolls can be amusing at
times, but over the past year most have grown painfully tedious and
boring. We get tired of weeding through the [censored] in the threads and
thus killfile you and the other trolls. Some of us have even given up
on mfw.

Which is what I said, and do give up the old school gang trick of
replying on behalf of the eponymous "we"! Why don't you just speak for
yourself, instead of attempting to represent a whole raft of nebulous
people?

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no matter how persistently he trolls.

How come it's "trolling" when I post to the group, or "whining" as

the

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idiot Michaels puts it, yet when either of you post to the Group, it
is always of gravitas and correct and proper? Another load of old
bollocks Williams!! ;o)

It's all relative.

Relative to what? Who you know and like, as opposed to those you
don't? That's partisan and hardly objective and fair.

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Let's face it johnny, you and silly old Lee "troll" here far more

than

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I ever do. Who in their right mind responds to the Hankeyman, other
than you? (which doesn't infer that you are of sound mind)

Good point.

Thank you, but then you have since fallen out with Williams, so you
like to give him a kick in the balls if you can, which again is hardly
objective or fair!!

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Pot kettle black

You can talk Madam!! ;o)

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At least I inject a little humour from time to time!! ;o)

I suspect it 'humors' only yourself.

I suspect you are again just being vexatious because that is patently
untrue, as a number of people snorting coffee over their PC's will
bear testament!!;o)

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> Talk about filling up the group with
> meaningless [censored]. Add the whacko, political extremists,
> it becomes an unsavory place for almost anyone.

> For Hudson to [censored] about the decline of MFW is the
> ultimate irony. He personifys the trivilization of
> everything imaginable. And is, no dougt, a
> major factor is the decline of wextern civilization.

Some folks are just desperate for attention.

Is that what it's all about john boy?

Who has craved more attention than you over the years with your

serial

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"trolling"? Just because you have been forced into virtual

retirement,

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doesn't mean that you are reformed. You've just been beaten at your
own game!!

It takes one troll to know another and play together.

That's not true either; "trolls" are "trolls" and "trolling" is
"trolling"; there is no room for evasiveness and obfuscation when
long-term contributors clash, which happens regularly!!

Taking sides in disputes is as much "trolling" as the original input,
which probably isn't "trolling" at all!! People fall out, that's a
fact of life, but it takes two to argue and the same person is not
*always* wrong - if at all!!

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Why am I responding? Need a distraction from writing papers,

Why do you think I persist here? It is a great distraction in my
working week, to switch off what I am doing and pop into MFW. I have
virtually given up the Daily Telegraph crossword!! ;o)

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you aren't
killfiled on Google, and a few points were worth commenting on.

It's always pleasant to exchange with you, as long as you are civil
open-minded and impartial. You know more than most that if you step
over the mark you will get a predictable response. It's as simple as
that really.

Have a great weekend Elzi (don't work too hard) - you know I am about
to let my hair down!! ;o)

TFIF!!

Will Brink said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

JMW said:

Lee Michaels said:

> Charles wrote:
>> Are observations of MFW's decline into the mundane, as
>> a forerunner of the possibility of total collapse,
>> premature?
>>
>> Indications to the affirmative include the almost
>> daily reduction in the number of posts submitted, and
>> the absence of a number of regular contributors.
>>
>> What cannot be denied is the dramatic change in the
>> dynamics of the Group, for whatever reason, which has
>> changed input from the abrasively eccentric to the
>> most ordinary boringly repetitive!!
>>
>> Have the former 'leading lights' been beaten at their
>> own game, and gone off to other forums to try to throw
>> their weight around?
>>
>> Shall we ever know the truth, or see its like again?
>>

The ultimate decline is when trolls like Hudson here make
MFW his own personal whining/gossip forum.

That is nothing new, and it is something which has occurred
since the inception of this newsgroup. The perceived
decline is actually a result of people ignoring him, no
matter how persistently he trolls.

Which is why he had to use the oldest of troll tricks: when enough
people ignore you, change your name.

But why then aren't you "ignoring" me [censored] dear, if you are on to my
ruse. I'll tell you why little [censored], because you are as thick as two
short planks.

Casting my bait lightly upon the water this morning, I just knew who
the dopey [censored] would be that would first be bumping their gums on
it, before it had even gotten wet. It was also quite obvious what the
responses would be, and you are right on the button as usual.

Your repartee is as predictable as it is boring, jaded and hackneyed.

Beware you don't end up in my "killfiles" lad - you have been warned!!
;o)

HAGW!!

TFIF!!

Charles said:

On 18 Feb 2005 08:46:29 -0800, "elzinator" <[email hidden]>
wrote:

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Trolls can be amusing at
times, but over the past year most have grown painfully tedious and
boring. We get tired of weeding through the [censored] in the threads and
thus killfile you and the other trolls. Some of us have even given

up

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on mfw.

Which is what I said, and do give up the old school gang trick of
replying on behalf of the eponymous "we"! Why don't you just speak

for

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yourself, instead of attempting to represent a whole raft of nebulous
people?

I speak for myself and many others here in this little 'universe.' A
perusal of related comments by others on this forum testify to that.
That encompases a "we" that represents a good portion of this group.

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>no matter how persistently he trolls.

How come it's "trolling" when I post to the group, or "whining" as

the

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it

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is always of gravitas and correct and proper? Another load of old
bollocks Williams!! ;o)

It's all relative.

Relative to what? Who you know and like, as opposed to those you
don't? That's partisan and hardly objective and fair.

Relative to the perspective of readers. I suggest that is fairly
objective, and fair.

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Let's face it johnny, you and silly old Lee "troll" here far more

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I ever do. Who in their right mind responds to the Hankeyman,

other

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than you? (which doesn't infer that you are of sound mind)

Good point.

Thank you, but then you have since fallen out with Williams, so you
like to give him a kick in the balls if you can, which again is

hardly

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objective or fair!!

Only stating observations of the many trolls here and no personal
insinuations were intended.

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At least I inject a little humour from time to time!! ;o)

I suspect it 'humors' only yourself.

I suspect you are again just being vexatious because that is patently
untrue, as a number of people snorting coffee over their PC's will
bear testament!!;o)

That may be relative to yourself and a few selected readers who support
your trolling efforts, but certainly not universal.

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>> Talk about filling up the group with
>> meaningless [censored]. Add the whacko, political extremists,
>> it becomes an unsavory place for almost anyone.
>
>> For Hudson to [censored] about the decline of MFW is the
>> ultimate irony. He personifys the trivilization of
>> everything imaginable. And is, no dougt, a
>> major factor is the decline of wextern civilization.
>
>Some folks are just desperate for attention.

Is that what it's all about john boy?

Who has craved more attention than you over the years with your

serial

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"trolling"? Just because you have been forced into virtual

retirement,

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doesn't mean that you are reformed. You've just been beaten at

your

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own game!!

It takes one troll to know another and play together.

That's not true either; "trolls" are "trolls" and "trolling" is
"trolling"; there is no room for evasiveness and obfuscation when
long-term contributors clash, which happens regularly!!

Taking sides in disputes is as much "trolling" as the original input,
which probably isn't "trolling" at all!! People fall out, that's a
fact of life, but it takes two to argue and the same person is not
*always* wrong - if at all!!

I didn't know one had to 'choose a side' on this issue or anywhere
else, unless explicitly stated. I'm just agreeing with some comments
you and Lee made.

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It's always pleasant to exchange with you, as long as you are civil
open-minded and impartial. You know more than most that if you step
over the mark you will get a predictable response. It's as simple as
that really.

Frankly, Hudson, you don't set the rules here according to your own
preferences and I don't care what boundaries you propose. According to
your comment above, nor are you any less obnoxious than the others that
you accuse of 'policing' this forum. You don't scare me nor will you
influence what I post here. I'm not interested in competing with you or
anyone else here.

Whatever.