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  1. TASMANIAN cyclist Louise Yaxley was clinging to life last night as the
    shocking details of her injuries began to emerge.

    Doctors revealed Yaxley and her Australian road cycling teammate Alexis
    Rhodes were being kept alive on automatic ventilators and had been
    unconscious for at least the past two days.

    They said Yaxley, 23, of Penguin in the state's North-West, had suffered
    "even more complex" injuries than Rhodes in Monday's horrific accident in
    Germany that killed their teammate Amy Gillett.

    Yaxley had been flung so hard from her bike her abdomen had been partly
    impaled on a tree branch at the side of the road.

    She suffered severe head injuries, chest trauma and severe arm and leg
    damage that will require extensive plastic surgery.

    She also has a small clot on her brain.

    Doctors warned both girls faced the risk of "life-threatening" complications
    emerging in coming weeks but they held high hopes for their recovery from
    the crash, which occurred when a runaway car ploughed into the Australian
    team during a training ride near the village of Zeulenroda.

    "These two girls have very complex injuries," said Jena University Hospital
    intensive care doctor Gernot Marx.

    "There can be complications in due course so it's very difficult to predict
    how long they need to stay.

    "They can still develop a life-threatening situation - that's the nature of
    intensive care."

    But Yaxley's sister, Belinda, denied reports that Louise could lose an arm.

    "I still don't know a lot about Louise's condition, but I can say that she
    will not lose an arm as some people have been saying," said Belinda, who
    spoke to her parents after they saw Louise yesterday.

    "She is still critical, but she has improved a little."

    Doctors said the impact of the collision was so severe some riders were
    thrown more than 30 metres from the impact.

    Sports psychologists were counselling the remaining three riders injured in
    the accident after some reported suffering nightmares and severe trauma.

    It emerged Sydneysider Katie Brown overheard doctors debating whether they
    should amputate her leg as she was being transported from the scene of the
    accident.

    "There was some talk of amputating her leg while she was in transit," said
    Katie's father Rod Brown.

    "She made Graeme (Katie's brother) ring her every hour at the hospital
    because she was afraid if she fell asleep, they would take her leg off."

    Graeme Brown, a dual gold cycling medallist at last year's Athens Olympics,
    said Katie was in a fragile psychological state.

    "She talks about it when she wants to but when she sees someone new, it
    makes her cry because she wants to explain it again and remember it," he
    said.

    "Every time she sees someone new (in her ward) she starts crying but it's
    something she has to get off her shoulders.

    "She's been having trouble sleeping because the accident keeps replaying in
    her mind and she wakes up crying from the nightmares.

    "But the psychologist says that's normal in the first 24 to 48 hours
    following a trauma like this."

    Brown said his sister knew of Amy Gillett's death, and was receiving help
    from a psychologist who spent the night in the hospital room she now shares
    with Kate Nichols, 20, of NSW, and Lorian Graham, 27, of Queensland.

    Katie suffered cuts and bruises all over her body, a broken hand and
    required surgery on both knees. But she is expected to make a full recovery
    and even one day resume her cycling career.

    Doctors expect her to remain in hospital for another three weeks while
    Nichols, who suffered cuts and bruises and a damaged tendon in her right
    hand could be discharged next week.

    Hopes are high for her also to return to racing.

    Graham, who broke her collarbone and left knee in the crash, is also
    expected to make a full recovery.

    Spirits of the injured cyclists have been considerably boosted by the
    arrival of families and friends, as well as a visit from other Australian
    riders.

    Top cyclists Sara Carrigan, Oenone Wood, Olivia Gollan, Kate Bates and
    Natalie Bates joined relatives in the room shared by the three riders not
    critically injured.

  2. As I lay in the ER being examined by the doc after being run down by a
    teenage driver talking on a cell phone, the doc said to me, "if you weren't
    in such great shape from all the cycling you do, you'd be dead."

    I replied, "yep ... the bicycle is definately responsible for the condition
    I'm in."

    --
    Bob C.

    "Of course it hurts. The trick is not minding that it hurts."
    T. E. Lawrence (of Arabia)

  3. Quoted message said:

    As I lay in the ER being examined by the doc after being run down by a
    teenage driver talking on a cell phone, the doc said to me, "if you


    weren't

    Quoted message said:

    in such great shape from all the cycling you do, you'd be dead."

    I replied, "yep ... the bicycle is definately responsible for the


    condition

    Quoted message said:

    I'm in."

    --


    Were you smashed or catapulted?

  4. Is what worth what?

    IOW, WTF are you talking about?

    Ron

    On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 20:28:03 GMT, "Claudius Vitalis" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    TASMANIAN cyclist Louise Yaxley was clinging to life last night as the
    shocking details of her injuries began to emerge.

    Doctors revealed Yaxley and her Australian road cycling teammate Alexis
    Rhodes were being kept alive on automatic ventilators and had been
    unconscious for at least the past two days.

    They said Yaxley, 23, of Penguin in the state's North-West, had suffered
    "even more complex" injuries than Rhodes in Monday's horrific accident in
    Germany that killed their teammate Amy Gillett.

    Yaxley had been flung so hard from her bike her abdomen had been partly
    impaled on a tree branch at the side of the road.

    She suffered severe head injuries, chest trauma and severe arm and leg
    damage that will require extensive plastic surgery.

    She also has a small clot on her brain.

    Doctors warned both girls faced the risk of "life-threatening" complications
    emerging in coming weeks but they held high hopes for their recovery from
    the crash, which occurred when a runaway car ploughed into the Australian
    team during a training ride near the village of Zeulenroda.

    "These two girls have very complex injuries," said Jena University Hospital
    intensive care doctor Gernot Marx.

    "There can be complications in due course so it's very difficult to predict
    how long they need to stay.

    "They can still develop a life-threatening situation - that's the nature of
    intensive care."

    But Yaxley's sister, Belinda, denied reports that Louise could lose an arm.

    "I still don't know a lot about Louise's condition, but I can say that she
    will not lose an arm as some people have been saying," said Belinda, who
    spoke to her parents after they saw Louise yesterday.

    "She is still critical, but she has improved a little."

    Doctors said the impact of the collision was so severe some riders were
    thrown more than 30 metres from the impact.

    Sports psychologists were counselling the remaining three riders injured in
    the accident after some reported suffering nightmares and severe trauma.

    It emerged Sydneysider Katie Brown overheard doctors debating whether they
    should amputate her leg as she was being transported from the scene of the
    accident.

    "There was some talk of amputating her leg while she was in transit," said
    Katie's father Rod Brown.

    "She made Graeme (Katie's brother) ring her every hour at the hospital
    because she was afraid if she fell asleep, they would take her leg off."

    Graeme Brown, a dual gold cycling medallist at last year's Athens Olympics,
    said Katie was in a fragile psychological state.

    "She talks about it when she wants to but when she sees someone new, it
    makes her cry because she wants to explain it again and remember it," he
    said.

    "Every time she sees someone new (in her ward) she starts crying but it's
    something she has to get off her shoulders.

    "She's been having trouble sleeping because the accident keeps replaying in
    her mind and she wakes up crying from the nightmares.

    "But the psychologist says that's normal in the first 24 to 48 hours
    following a trauma like this."

    Brown said his sister knew of Amy Gillett's death, and was receiving help
    from a psychologist who spent the night in the hospital room she now shares
    with Kate Nichols, 20, of NSW, and Lorian Graham, 27, of Queensland.

    Katie suffered cuts and bruises all over her body, a broken hand and
    required surgery on both knees. But she is expected to make a full recovery
    and even one day resume her cycling career.

    Doctors expect her to remain in hospital for another three weeks while
    Nichols, who suffered cuts and bruises and a damaged tendon in her right
    hand could be discharged next week.

    Hopes are high for her also to return to racing.

    Graham, who broke her collarbone and left knee in the crash, is also
    expected to make a full recovery.

    Spirits of the injured cyclists have been considerably boosted by the
    arrival of families and friends, as well as a visit from other Australian
    riders.

    Top cyclists Sara Carrigan, Oenone Wood, Olivia Gollan, Kate Bates and
    Natalie Bates joined relatives in the room shared by the three riders not
    critically injured.

  5. RonSonic said:

    Is what worth what?

    IOW, WTF are you talking about?

    Ron


    Racing Bicycles. I thought that was pretty obvious, but since it's
    been the summer from hell around here maybe I'm more sensitive to the
    issue. One of the young riders hit at Yarmouth was a friend of ours,
    another friend died after a triathlon, yet another crashed and got
    busted up pretty badly. When you start adding up the lack of
    recognition, money and viable careers in cycling compared top the ball
    sports, and then factor in the level of risk cycling is a real stretch.
    All of us know a fair number of people seriously injured, and most of
    us people killed while training or participating in our sport. How many
    do you know in baseball, or basketball? A few in football, but nowhere
    near the same level.
    It's a good question.
    Bill C

  6. "Claudius Vitalis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    As I lay in the ER being examined by the doc after being run down by a
    teenage driver talking on a cell phone, the doc said to me, "if you


    weren't

    Quoted message said:

    in such great shape from all the cycling you do, you'd be dead."

    I replied, "yep ... the bicycle is definately responsible for the


    condition

    Quoted message said:

    I'm in."

    --


    Were you smashed or catapulted?

    Slammed and catapulted. The slam smashed my ankle, hip and pelvis. The
    catapult (landed on my head) fractured my spine. That's the theory of it
    all, anyway. When you look at the left crank and realize a foot was clipped
    in there ... it's nasty.
    --
    Bob C.

    "Of course it hurts. The trick is not minding that it hurts."
    T. E. Lawrence (of Arabia)

  7. Perhaps this will give you some more perspective on the question. Rent the
    movie "Supersize Me."

    Pick your poison.

    It is an intriguing question. I'm betting you'll find that every one of
    those surviving Aussie women who CAN ride again (and I pray it's all of
    them), WILL ride again.

    --
    Bob C.

    "Of course it hurts. The trick is not minding that it hurts."
    T. E. Lawrence (of Arabia)

  8. psycholist said:

    Perhaps this will give you some more perspective on the question. Rent the
    movie "Supersize Me."

    Pick your poison.

    It is an intriguing question. I'm betting you'll find that every one of
    those surviving Aussie women who CAN ride again (and I pray it's all of
    them), WILL ride again.

    --
    Bob C.

    "Of course it hurts. The trick is not minding that it hurts."
    T. E. Lawrence (of Arabia)


    Bob I'm sure you're right, and we do it because we love it, but it's a
    lot closer to an "extreme" sport than people realize or will admit.
    I ride and plan on geting back to racing, our kids race with our
    blessing, but it's a tough choice. Udo Bolts has said that he wouldn't
    stop his kids from racing, but would suggest they do something else.
    It's a tough, dangerous sport.
    Bill C

  9. Quoted message said:


    Slammed and catapulted. The slam smashed my ankle, hip and pelvis. The
    catapult (landed on my head) fractured my spine. That's the theory of it
    all, anyway. When you look at the left crank and realize a foot was


    clipped

    Quoted message said:

    in there ... it's nasty.
    --

    Sorry to hear that. I've heard of some people who have broken their
    pelvis. One that was quite good, gave up racing after his pelvis was
    broken. What does a broken pelvis involve?

  10. Quoted message said:

    Perhaps this will give you some more perspective on the question. Rent


    the

    Quoted message said:

    movie "Supersize Me."

    Pick your poison.

    Of course, that is one of the rationales that I use too. Being a
    reformed person myself, the lifestyle I led before cycling was if not just
    as dangerous, more dangerous. The only difference is that in cycling, it is
    so easy to cross the line from being in control, to down right dangerous.
    Racing, I think, can either make you into a very nimble survivor, or trash
    you.

  11. No, cars are not worth the toll on human life, the environmental
    destruction, the resource depletion, the species extinction and the wars
    that they bring. Our descendants will wonder how we could have been so
    selfish and barbaric to allow car culture to take such deep roots into the
    fabric of our society.

  12. "Callistus Valerius" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    What does a broken pelvis involve?

    Pain. If the fracture is stable, several weeks without weight on it usually
    does the trick. In my case I was back on the bicycle in about four weeks.
    The soft tissue damage is what usually lingers longest.

  13. Bill C said:
    RonSonic said:

    Is what worth what?

    IOW, WTF are you talking about?

    Ron


    Racing Bicycles. I thought that was pretty obvious, but since it's
    been the summer from hell around here maybe I'm more sensitive to the
    issue. One of the young riders hit at Yarmouth was a friend of ours,
    another friend died after a triathlon, yet another crashed and got
    busted up pretty badly. When you start adding up the lack of
    recognition, money and viable careers in cycling compared top the ball
    sports, and then factor in the level of risk cycling is a real stretch.
    All of us know a fair number of people seriously injured, and most of
    us people killed while training or participating in our sport. How many
    do you know in baseball, or basketball? A few in football, but nowhere
    near the same level.
    It's a good question.

    Before you just despair of how dangerous the sport is, here are some numbers
    that came with my first googling. In tems of death and serious injury cycling
    doesn't compare that badly.

    http://www.physsportsmed.com/issues/1999/08_99/cantu.htm

    As a career, a profession, I don't think any sport makes much sense. Odds really
    stink across the board.

    I'm thinking you've witnessed a bad run and are a little too close to it.
    Something like 700 cyclists are killed a year in the US, compared to the numbers
    that's very little, and the majority of those are not sport riders, many are
    drunks and dopers.

    We ride because we want to ride. And nothing that happens on the bike affects
    the overall rate of death, which remains 100%. If you don't do what you want
    because of a fear of death, then death already wins. Just ride smart and don't
    take stupid chances.

    It's worth it.

    Ron

  14. Bill C said:
    psycholist said:

    Perhaps this will give you some more perspective on the question. Rent the
    movie "Supersize Me."

    Pick your poison.

    It is an intriguing question. I'm betting you'll find that every one of
    those surviving Aussie women who CAN ride again (and I pray it's all of
    them), WILL ride again.

    --
    Bob C.

    "Of course it hurts. The trick is not minding that it hurts."
    T. E. Lawrence (of Arabia)


    Bob I'm sure you're right, and we do it because we love it, but it's a
    lot closer to an "extreme" sport than people realize or will admit.
    I ride and plan on geting back to racing, our kids race with our
    blessing, but it's a tough choice. Udo Bolts has said that he wouldn't
    stop his kids from racing, but would suggest they do something else.
    It's a tough, dangerous sport.
    Bill C

    My present madness is off-road, XC riding. I do hate playing in traffic. But
    even in the woods, in the last month I've been stung by wasps, hit by a falling
    branch and struck by a rattlesnake. There's no avoiding risk and yeah, cycling
    is tougher than a lot of sports.

    Ron

  15. On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 12:33:25 GMT, RonSonic <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Bob C.

    "Of course it hurts. The trick is not minding that it hurts."
    T. E. Lawrence (of Arabia)


    Bob I'm sure you're right, and we do it because we love it, but it's a
    lot closer to an "extreme" sport than people realize or will admit.
    I ride and plan on geting back to racing, our kids race with our
    blessing, but it's a tough choice. Udo Bolts has said that he wouldn't
    stop his kids from racing, but would suggest they do something else.
    It's a tough, dangerous sport.
    Bill C

    My present madness is off-road, XC riding. I do hate playing in traffic. But
    even in the woods, in the last month I've been stung by wasps, hit by a falling
    branch and struck by a rattlesnake. There's no avoiding risk and yeah, cycling
    is tougher than a lot of sports.

    Ron

    But of course, as we ALL know, cyclists aren't REALLY athletes...
    they're skinny european guys with shaved legs.

    As for the danger, it's not the bikes alone- they were hit by a girl
    in a car, they didnt' collide with each other. For sure, bike v car
    accidents are far worse than people crashing in a race. I know people
    who only do spinning because they're afraid of getting hurt! (Women
    mostly i have to admit... sigh).

  16. in 475011 20050723 122708 'Callistus Valerius said:

    Maybe he has a point. If Henry Ford would have known all the havoc cars
    would have caused he would have never invented the car.

    Henry Ford didn't invent the car!

  17. Hi Ron
    Just to add a little emphasis here. A junior we are working with and
    sponsoring, just this morning, had a car turn right in front of him.
    Luckily he managed to turn inside the car mostly and bounced off the
    side of the car then low sided, rather than going flying over the
    trunk. He's ok, bike's mostly ok.
    The cops were great, got to give them some serious thanks.
    I haven't seen any numbers detailing the "minor" but standard injuries
    involved with cycling. I'm talking about all the broken collarbones,
    major road rash, stitches, etc..I don't think a whole lot of that stuff
    gets reported.
    On the whole though cycling is a whole lot healthier in the long run
    than doing nothing, or sports like football, powerlifting, and
    bodybuilding. I can personally vouch for the joint and ligament damage
    from especially the latter two. That's without discussing the doping
    problems which make cycling look like the cleanest sport out there.
    Bill C

  18. I just finished 2-1/2 weeks straight of 16-hour days with an
    all-nighter. (One day "off," only 10 hours, during which I commuted by
    bike/train. I work in the video game industry.)

    I took the mtb for a pedestrian-style cruise across town to the movie. I
    haven't ridden a bike outdoors in that whole time except as noted.

    Even at walking/jogging speeds, it is worth it.

    --
    --
    Lynn Wallace http://www.xmission.com/~lawall

    Conservative dictionary:
    Judicial Activist: n. A judge who tends to rule against your wishes.

  19. Callistus Valerius said:

    Racing, I think, can either make you into a very nimble survivor, or trash
    you.

    Often in that order.

    --
    --
    Lynn Wallace http://www.xmission.com/~lawall

    Conservative dictionary:
    Judicial Activist: n. A judge who tends to rule against your wishes.

  20. Callistus Valerius said:
    Quoted message said:

    Maybe he has a point. If Henry Ford would have known all the havoc cars
    would have caused he would have never invented the car.

    Bob Martin said:

    Henry Ford didn't invent the car!

    No, he invented the internet.

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