is cottage cheese good cycling food/fuel?



"Bob in CT" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:39:14 -0400, Roger Zoul <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Matt O'Toole wrote:
>> :: Getting back to cottage cheese, it's a fine source of nutrients,
>> :: protein, fat, and some carbohydrate, but the animal fat is not the
>> :: best kind for your overall health.
>>
>> Nonsense (the last part).
>>
>>

>
> Of 26 forward-looking epidemiological studies examining the relationship
> between saturated fat and heart disease, a measely four found a
> statistically significant relationship. The massive nurse's study just
> showed that lowering overall fat content does nothing for heart disease.
> There are many studies indicating no relationship between saturated fat
> and any of a number of things, including heart disease, cancer, etc.
>
> --
> Bob in CT


that's cause they did not exercise too. No diet works without exercise.
Does not matter how much money you spend researching genetic proof of a fat
gene. What a bowl of fish ****.
 
nash wrote:
:: "Bob in CT" <[email protected]> wrote in message
:: news:eek:[email protected]...
::: On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:39:14 -0400, Roger Zoul
::: <[email protected]> wrote:
:::
:::: Matt O'Toole wrote:
:::::: Getting back to cottage cheese, it's a fine source of nutrients,
:::::: protein, fat, and some carbohydrate, but the animal fat is not
:::::: the best kind for your overall health.
::::
:::: Nonsense (the last part).
::::
::::
:::
::: Of 26 forward-looking epidemiological studies examining the
::: relationship between saturated fat and heart disease, a measely
::: four found a statistically significant relationship. The massive
::: nurse's study just showed that lowering overall fat content does
::: nothing for heart disease. There are many studies indicating no
::: relationship between saturated fat and any of a number of things,
::: including heart disease, cancer, etc.
:::
::: --
::: Bob in CT
::
:: that's cause they did not exercise too. No diet works without
:: exercise. Does not matter how much money you spend researching
:: genetic proof of a fat gene. What a bowl of fish ****.

Diet indeed can work without exercise.
 
"Roger Zoul" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> nash wrote:
> :: "Bob in CT" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> :: news:eek:[email protected]...
> ::: On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:39:14 -0400, Roger Zoul
> ::: <[email protected]> wrote:
> :::
> :::: Matt O'Toole wrote:
> :::::: Getting back to cottage cheese, it's a fine source of nutrients,
> :::::: protein, fat, and some carbohydrate, but the animal fat is not
> :::::: the best kind for your overall health.
> ::::
> :::: Nonsense (the last part).
> ::::
> ::::
> :::
> ::: Of 26 forward-looking epidemiological studies examining the
> ::: relationship between saturated fat and heart disease, a measely
> ::: four found a statistically significant relationship. The massive
> ::: nurse's study just showed that lowering overall fat content does
> ::: nothing for heart disease. There are many studies indicating no
> ::: relationship between saturated fat and any of a number of things,
> ::: including heart disease, cancer, etc.
> :::
> ::: --
> ::: Bob in CT
> ::
> :: that's cause they did not exercise too. No diet works without
> :: exercise. Does not matter how much money you spend researching
> :: genetic proof of a fat gene. What a bowl of fish ****.
>
> Diet indeed can work without exercise.

Does if the diet includes too much fat. haha
>
>
 
nash wrote:
:: "Roger Zoul" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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::: nash wrote:
::::: "Bob in CT" <[email protected]> wrote in message
::::: news:eek:[email protected]...
:::::: On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:39:14 -0400, Roger Zoul
:::::: <[email protected]> wrote:
::::::
::::::: Matt O'Toole wrote:
::::::::: Getting back to cottage cheese, it's a fine source of
::::::::: nutrients, protein, fat, and some carbohydrate, but the
::::::::: animal fat is not the best kind for your overall health.
:::::::
::::::: Nonsense (the last part).
:::::::
:::::::
::::::
:::::: Of 26 forward-looking epidemiological studies examining the
:::::: relationship between saturated fat and heart disease, a measely
:::::: four found a statistically significant relationship. The massive
:::::: nurse's study just showed that lowering overall fat content does
:::::: nothing for heart disease. There are many studies indicating no
:::::: relationship between saturated fat and any of a number of things,
:::::: including heart disease, cancer, etc.
::::::
:::::: --
:::::: Bob in CT
:::::
::::: that's cause they did not exercise too. No diet works without
::::: exercise. Does not matter how much money you spend researching
::::: genetic proof of a fat gene. What a bowl of fish ****.
:::
::: Diet indeed can work without exercise.
:: Does if the diet includes too much fat. haha

Okay, but that's true of protein and carbs too.
 
"Roger Zoul" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> nash wrote:
> :: "Roger Zoul" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> :: news:[email protected]...
> ::: nash wrote:
> ::::: "Bob in CT" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> ::::: news:eek:[email protected]...
> :::::: On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:39:14 -0400, Roger Zoul
> :::::: <[email protected]> wrote:
> ::::::
> ::::::: Matt O'Toole wrote:
> ::::::::: Getting back to cottage cheese, it's a fine source of
> ::::::::: nutrients, protein, fat, and some carbohydrate, but the
> ::::::::: animal fat is not the best kind for your overall health.
> :::::::
> ::::::: Nonsense (the last part).
> :::::::
> :::::::
> ::::::
> :::::: Of 26 forward-looking epidemiological studies examining the
> :::::: relationship between saturated fat and heart disease, a measely
> :::::: four found a statistically significant relationship. The massive
> :::::: nurse's study just showed that lowering overall fat content does
> :::::: nothing for heart disease. There are many studies indicating no
> :::::: relationship between saturated fat and any of a number of things,
> :::::: including heart disease, cancer, etc.
> ::::::
> :::::: --
> :::::: Bob in CT
> :::::
> ::::: that's cause they did not exercise too. No diet works without
> ::::: exercise. Does not matter how much money you spend researching
> ::::: genetic proof of a fat gene. What a bowl of fish ****.
> :::
> ::: Diet indeed can work without exercise.
> :: Does if the diet includes too much fat. haha
>
> Okay, but that's true of protein and carbs too.

Okay but just fat, or protein or carbs will not work with exercise anyway
unless you eat your vegetables too.
 
nash wrote:
> "Roger Zoul" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> Okay, but that's true of protein and carbs too.

> Okay but just fat, or protein or carbs will not work with exercise anyway
> unless you eat your vegetables too.
>
>

2 cents worth coming.
Dr. Dean Odell said that a calorie is a calorie no matter where it comes
from. You can eat zero fat for your entire life but if you eat too many
calories you will get fat and have clogged arteries.
It's simple, calories down, exercise up, stay healthy.
Too bad so many people think exercise is a bad word.
Bill Baka
 
Bill wrote:
:: nash wrote:
::: "Roger Zoul" <[email protected]> wrote in message
:::: Okay, but that's true of protein and carbs too.
::: Okay but just fat, or protein or carbs will not work with exercise
::: anyway unless you eat your vegetables too.
:::
:::
:: 2 cents worth coming.
:: Dr. Dean Odell said that a calorie is a calorie no matter where it
:: comes from. You can eat zero fat for your entire life but if you eat
:: too many calories you will get fat and have clogged arteries.
:: It's simple, calories down, exercise up, stay healthy.
:: Too bad so many people think exercise is a bad word.
:: Bill Baka

A calorie is not just a calorie in terms of what the body can use it for.
 
Roger Zoul wrote:
> Bill wrote:
> :: nash wrote:
> ::: "Roger Zoul" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> :::: Okay, but that's true of protein and carbs too.
> ::: Okay but just fat, or protein or carbs will not work with exercise
> ::: anyway unless you eat your vegetables too.
> :::
> :::
> :: 2 cents worth coming.
> :: Dr. Dean Odell said that a calorie is a calorie no matter where it
> :: comes from. You can eat zero fat for your entire life but if you eat
> :: too many calories you will get fat and have clogged arteries.
> :: It's simple, calories down, exercise up, stay healthy.
> :: Too bad so many people think exercise is a bad word.
> :: Bill Baka
>
> A calorie is not just a calorie in terms of what the body can use it for.
>
>

Yes, and no. A calorie is how much energy food contains. Fat is higher
density so eating a plate full of McJunk is going to have ten times the
calories of a plate of salad. Either way, the excess gets turned into
fat. I'm thinking that a healthy rider could take as the only food
source, a bottle of vegetable oil and drink that for pure calories along
with water, or a sports drink, and never be worse off for doing it.
I think this subject will get a LOT more attention now that obesity in
children has made national news again. The statement that this
generation of kids might not outlive their parents is probably true.
Computers, video games, 500 channels of junk on TV, scooter boards with
motors, etc. High tech may mean we can make larger studies but looking
at the kids, there is way too much McDonalds going into their stomaches.
My stepdaughter is guilty of this in a big way, by being too lazy to
cook a good meal and giving the kids McDonalds, Taco Bell, pizza, Burger
King, or whatever, but never anything healthy. Food and computers may be
the plague that brings us down.
BTW, I like the extra water, non-fat cottage cheese. It tastes as good
as the 4% normal stuff.
Try to eat non-fat, non-junk food and if you do eat some junk ride 20
miles for each item as penance (reward?).
Bill Baka
 
Bill wrote:
:: Roger Zoul wrote:
::: Bill wrote:
::::: nash wrote:
:::::: "Roger Zoul" <[email protected]> wrote in message
::::::: Okay, but that's true of protein and carbs too.
:::::: Okay but just fat, or protein or carbs will not work with
:::::: exercise anyway unless you eat your vegetables too.
::::::
::::::
::::: 2 cents worth coming.
::::: Dr. Dean Odell said that a calorie is a calorie no matter where it
::::: comes from. You can eat zero fat for your entire life but if you
::::: eat too many calories you will get fat and have clogged arteries.
::::: It's simple, calories down, exercise up, stay healthy.
::::: Too bad so many people think exercise is a bad word.
::::: Bill Baka
:::
::: A calorie is not just a calorie in terms of what the body can use
::: it for.
:::
:::
:: Yes, and no. A calorie is how much energy food contains.

Did you read what I wrote? A calorie is not just a calorie in terms of what
the body can use it for.

1 calorie of carb,
1 calorie of protein,
1 calorie of fat,
while all contributing to total calories, and while all causing problems
when eaten in excess, still have different uses in the body.

Carbs provide quick fuel, and thus are helpful when you need to really push
hard. Of course, you can get nutrients from carbs if you pick them right.
Fat provides a longer term fuel, the kind of energy that will sustain long,
but easy activity. Again, you can get useful nutrients from fat foods (EFA)
if you pick them right. Protein provides the building blocks that help the
body rebuild itself and protein foods contain valuable nutrients too. So a
calorie is not just a calorie in terms of what the body will do with it.
The qualifer is there for a reason, Bill.

Fat is
:: higher density so eating a plate full of McJunk is going to have ten
:: times the calories of a plate of salad.

Higher density means it weighs more (same volume) which should mean you
don't need to eat as much to get sated. Thus, it should not matter whether
you eat a meal with a lot of fat or not as long as you don't overstuff your
piehole. Eating fat isn't the problem, eating too much is.


Either way, the excess gets
:: turned into fat. I'm thinking that a healthy rider could take as the
:: only food source, a bottle of vegetable oil and drink that for pure
:: calories along with water, or a sports drink, and never be worse off
:: for doing it.

I would never do that. Your body can only store about 2000 kcals of
glycogen (stored glucose) and vegetable oil won't replenish any of that
since it contains no carbs. hence, one the body's store of glycogen is
depleted, the rider bonks. This happens sooner the harder you ride. So, the
more hills you have, the faster you go up them, the more you deplete
glycogen. The soon you feel like **** and can't get home. Calories from
Veggie oil won't help much here.

:: I think this subject will get a LOT more attention now that obesity
:: in children has made national news again. The statement that this
:: generation of kids might not outlive their parents is probably true.
:: Computers, video games, 500 channels of junk on TV, scooter boards
:: with motors, etc. High tech may mean we can make larger studies but
:: looking at the kids, there is way too much McDonalds going into
:: their stomaches. My stepdaughter is guilty of this in a big way, by
:: being too lazy to cook a good meal and giving the kids McDonalds,
:: Taco Bell, pizza, Burger King, or whatever, but never anything
:: healthy. Food and computers may be the plague that brings us down.

Well, I wouldn't blame just the fast food joints. You can buy plenty of
junk food in the local supermarket. In fact, most of the stuff sold there
is ****. Parents are buying that too, so kids get junk at home as well.

:: BTW, I like the extra water, non-fat cottage cheese. It tastes as
:: good as the 4% normal stuff.
:: Try to eat non-fat, non-junk food and if you do eat some junk ride 20
:: miles for each item as penance (reward?).

Well, I think it's ridiculous to by food that has the fat removed. Such
nonsense. Useless processing. Food should be kept as natural as possible,
IMO. And yes, to a 20 mile ride is a good way to work off the junk food.
Or, a 20-mile is is a good way to earn the right ot eat a piece of chocolate
cake.
 
Roger Zoul wrote:
> Bill wrote:
> :: Roger Zoul wrote:
> ::: Bill wrote:
> ::::: nash wrote:
> :::::: "Roger Zoul" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> ::::::: Okay, but that's true of protein and carbs too.
> :::::: Okay but just fat, or protein or carbs will not work with
> :::::: exercise anyway unless you eat your vegetables too.
> ::::::
> ::::::
> ::::: 2 cents worth coming.
> ::::: Dr. Dean Odell said that a calorie is a calorie no matter where it
> ::::: comes from. You can eat zero fat for your entire life but if you
> ::::: eat too many calories you will get fat and have clogged arteries.
> ::::: It's simple, calories down, exercise up, stay healthy.
> ::::: Too bad so many people think exercise is a bad word.
> ::::: Bill Baka
> :::
> ::: A calorie is not just a calorie in terms of what the body can use
> ::: it for.
> :::
> :::
> :: Yes, and no. A calorie is how much energy food contains.
>
> Did you read what I wrote? A calorie is not just a calorie in terms of what
> the body can use it for.
>
> 1 calorie of carb,
> 1 calorie of protein,
> 1 calorie of fat,
> while all contributing to total calories, and while all causing problems
> when eaten in excess, still have different uses in the body.


I got diverted with the energy density thing and not the quick absorb carbs.
>
> Carbs provide quick fuel, and thus are helpful when you need to really push
> hard. Of course, you can get nutrients from carbs if you pick them right.
> Fat provides a longer term fuel, the kind of energy that will sustain long,
> but easy activity. Again, you can get useful nutrients from fat foods (EFA)
> if you pick them right. Protein provides the building blocks that help the
> body rebuild itself and protein foods contain valuable nutrients too. So a
> calorie is not just a calorie in terms of what the body will do with it.
> The qualifer is there for a reason, Bill.


I understand the reason. I once took a bottle of pancake syrup with me
and a chug or two of that was a quick carb boost. Not the best, but that
high fructose corn syrup sure gets into your system in a hurry.
>
> Fat is
> :: higher density so eating a plate full of McJunk is going to have ten
> :: times the calories of a plate of salad.
>
> Higher density means it weighs more (same volume) which should mean you
> don't need to eat as much to get sated.


Almost correct. Fat causes the 'full' feeling faster.

Thus, it should not matter whether
> you eat a meal with a lot of fat or not as long as you don't overstuff your
> piehole. Eating fat isn't the problem, eating too much is.


Agreed that too much of anything is bad. I still maintain that a pound
of junk hamburger is going to have a lot more calories, by weight, than
a pound of lettuce. I've tried eating a lot of lettuce to the point of
being full and never wanting to see lettuce again, but I did not feel
energized.
>
>
> Either way, the excess gets
> :: turned into fat. I'm thinking that a healthy rider could take as the
> :: only food source, a bottle of vegetable oil and drink that for pure
> :: calories along with water, or a sports drink, and never be worse off
> :: for doing it.
>
> I would never do that. Your body can only store about 2000 kcals of
> glycogen (stored glucose) and vegetable oil won't replenish any of that
> since it contains no carbs. hence, one the body's store of glycogen is
> depleted, the rider bonks. This happens sooner the harder you ride.


I try not to ride that hard all the time since I can put on 50 miles in
3 hours or 5 hours. It's all exercise.
So, the
> more hills you have, the faster you go up them, the more you deplete
> glycogen.


That is the whole point of killing yourself going uphill and then you
get to coast downhill.

The soon you feel like **** and can't get home. Calories from
> Veggie oil won't help much here.


That all depends on the how and why of the ride. My home is at nearly
sea level so I can get home even if the sea level miles are slow and
semi-bonked. Remember, I am not training for a race at my age, just for
a Century of years, and even that may not be desirable. 42 more years?
>
> :: I think this subject will get a LOT more attention now that obesity
> :: in children has made national news again. The statement that this
> :: generation of kids might not outlive their parents is probably true.
> :: Computers, video games, 500 channels of junk on TV, scooter boards
> :: with motors, etc. High tech may mean we can make larger studies but
> :: looking at the kids, there is way too much McDonalds going into
> :: their stomaches. My stepdaughter is guilty of this in a big way, by
> :: being too lazy to cook a good meal and giving the kids McDonalds,
> :: Taco Bell, pizza, Burger King, or whatever, but never anything
> :: healthy. Food and computers may be the plague that brings us down.
>
> Well, I wouldn't blame just the fast food joints. You can buy plenty of
> junk food in the local supermarket. In fact, most of the stuff sold there
> is ****. Parents are buying that too, so kids get junk at home as well.


I know enough to read the labels, which drives my wife nuts, but I don't
want to eat anything where the first ingredient is sugar or high
fructose corn syrup, or has any trans-fatty junk.
>
> :: BTW, I like the extra water, non-fat cottage cheese. It tastes as
> :: good as the 4% normal stuff.
> :: Try to eat non-fat, non-junk food and if you do eat some junk ride 20
> :: miles for each item as penance (reward?).
>
> Well, I think it's ridiculous to by food that has the fat removed. Such
> nonsense. Useless processing. Food should be kept as natural as possible,
> IMO.


Skim milk is non-fat and is natural. That's where cream comes from.
Homogenizing milk to make the fat stay in the milk and not rise to the
top counts as not natural with me.

And yes, to a 20 mile ride is a good way to work off the junk food.
> Or, a 20-mile is is a good way to earn the right ot eat a piece of chocolate
> cake.


Cake, one of my main food groups if it is Chocolate. Double Chocolate.
Bill Baka
 
On Fri, 06 Apr 2007 11:40:34 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:

> [cut]
>
> I know enough to read the labels, which drives my wife nuts, but I don't
> want to eat anything where the first ingredient is sugar or high
> fructose corn syrup, or has any trans-fatty junk.


Good -- transfats are bad. Very bad.

>> :: BTW, I like the extra water, non-fat cottage cheese. It tastes as
>> :: good as the 4% normal stuff.
>> :: Try to eat non-fat, non-junk food and if you do eat some junk ride 20
>> :: miles for each item as penance (reward?).
>> Well, I think it's ridiculous to by food that has the fat removed.
>> Such nonsense. Useless processing. Food should be kept as natural as
>> possible, IMO.

>
> Skim milk is non-fat and is natural. That's where cream comes from.
> Homogenizing milk to make the fat stay in the milk and not rise to the
> top counts as not natural with me.


Some people even think that the homogenization process is bad. It's
unclear, though, whether that's true. However, fat is not bad for you.
It's just not.

> And yes, to a 20 mile ride is a good way to work off the junk food.
>> Or, a 20-mile is is a good way to earn the right ot eat a piece of
>> chocolate cake.

>
> Cake, one of my main food groups if it is Chocolate. Double Chocolate.
> Bill Baka
>


Now, that is bad for you, but that's because 99.99999% of cakes contain
transfat and 100% contain too much sugar.

The point is that saturated fat is not bad for you. Neither is eating
fat. What's bad for you is eating too much and eating high carbohydrate.
People say that the American diet is high fat. But in reality, it's high
calorie and very, very high sugar. The fat's not necessarily the problem.

--
Bob in CT
 
Bob in CT wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Apr 2007 11:40:34 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> [cut]
>>

> Some people even think that the homogenization process is bad. It's
> unclear, though, whether that's true. However, fat is not bad for you.
> It's just not.


No, it isn't since we evolved to process and store fat for the days when
the hunt didn't go so well. Now that we can buy anything we want and as
much as we want there is no calorie control mechanism, yet. Evolution
may take care of that by killing off the really obese types before they
can propagate their overeating genes.
>
>> And yes, to a 20 mile ride is a good way to work off the junk food.
>>> Or, a 20-mile is is a good way to earn the right ot eat a piece of
>>> chocolate cake.

>>
>> Cake, one of my main food groups if it is Chocolate. Double Chocolate.
>> Bill Baka
>>

>
> Now, that is bad for you, but that's because 99.99999% of cakes contain
> transfat and 100% contain too much sugar.


I read the labels on them too, and I have to admit that there is still
the sugar and transfat. The sugar could go and be substituted by
Splenda, which I have used in Green tea and can't tell the difference.
Other sweeteners leave a 'chemical' kind of taste in my mouth.
>
> The point is that saturated fat is not bad for you. Neither is eating
> fat. What's bad for you is eating too much and eating high
> carbohydrate. People say that the American diet is high fat. But in
> reality, it's high calorie and very, very high sugar. The fat's not
> necessarily the problem.
>
> --Bob in CT


Yes, way, way, too much sugar. Now if that could be turned into
something akin to Splenda with no calories we might be on to something.
Just last night on the NBC news there was a special on childhood
obesity, and it's no wonder, with McJunk fast food, and what you get in
pre-packaged food. Even KFC destroys chicken by deep frying it. Add to
that the only exercise kids get these days is the fingers used for their
video games or the TV remote.
My personal favorite way to cook is to use a steamer. Chicken breast
gets done in about 5 minutes and there is no vitamin loss from over
temperature or boiling water. Works great for Broccoli and veggies too.
Bill (chef mode) Baka
 
But in reality, it's high
calorie and very, very high sugar. The fat's not necessarily the problem.
<<<<<<<<

Did you see "Super size it"
Even the Doctor was shocked what the fat did to that kid.
 
nash wrote:
> But in reality, it's high
> calorie and very, very high sugar. The fat's not necessarily the problem.
> <<<<<<<<
>
> Did you see "Super size it"
> Even the Doctor was shocked what the fat did to that kid.
>
>

I heard that the guy on "Super size it" was told by his doctor at about
the third week to stop because he was killing himself with that food.
I guess the "Junk food" label really is appropriate.
Bill Baka
Junk food free for 3 years.