Is Colner Colnago

found this on Bike Forums:

luker said:

Colnago made Colner and kept the clover symbol, mostly so that they could field bikes to two professional teams (rules at the time). Colners are really nice bikes, since they are actually Colnagos.

and this:

"This frame was repaired by Colner, a Belgium arm of Colnago"
http://www.bikecult.com/works/collections/eisentraut.html

Well... try a google with just colner and check the FIRST link

http://www.colner.com.ar/home.asp

So nope, it is not a Colnago, but an Argentinian brand.

greg said:

This is my first post in this group so please correct me if I'm messing
up something.

I've just bought an old racing bike with a so called "Colner" frame.
I've tried to find out more about this frame but sparse information
seem to exist on the net. What I have seen suggested is, that Colner is
actually a Colnago, with another name due to some kind of "one team
restriction" back in the seventies. It certainly looks like a Colnago
but in stead of a clover there is a yellow spades on the front. Frame
is metallic blue with yellow "Colner" decals. Further it seems that
there was a team called Ijsboerke-Colner in 1974-1975 and a team called
Ijsboerke-Colnago in 1976. I guess, this points on some kond of
relation between Colner and Colnago but it may be just me wishing.

What do you guys know about this Colner brand? Is it a good quality
frame, which tubing etc...? Any information on this Colner frame would
be much appreciated.

I do think the bike was in near original condition. It is mounted with
Universal Super 68 brakes and the old Shimano 600 gear but campagnolo
shifters thus it was probably mounted with campy gear to begin with.

thanks
greg

Google colner before you continue^^

531Aussie said:

found this on Bike Forums:

luker said:

Colnago made Colner and kept the clover symbol, mostly so that they
could field bikes to two professional teams (rules at the time).
Colners are really nice bikes, since they are actually Colnagos.

--
531Aussie

Tuschinski said:

Google

I did, and I assumed the 'new' Colner in Argentina didn't have much to do with this guy's old steel frame. Maybe the modern Colner has about as much to do with the old Colner (or less) as the new Gitane has to do with the old Gitane 🙂

and this on Ebay, but I guess it's just a seller's spiel:

"Colner was a builder for Colnago, and broke away to make frames on his own...using spades instead of clubs for logos,"

Thanks guys. Well, I didn't wrote it in my initial post, but I had
googled colner and found exactly the information you're both reffering
to. I.a. therefore, I wanted to ask in this forum for further
information as it can hardly be a argentinian colner and a disguised
colnago at the same time. For obvious reasons I like to believe that
It's a colnago in disguise, but I hoped sombody had some knowledge on
this brand??

anyways, thanks for googling...

cheers
greg

Tuschinski said:

Well... try a google with just colner and check the FIRST link

http://www.colner.com.ar/home.asp

So nope, it is not a Colnago, but an Argentinian brand.

greg said:

This is my first post in this group so please correct me if I'm messing
up something.

I've just bought an old racing bike with a so called "Colner" frame.
I've tried to find out more about this frame but sparse information
seem to exist on the net. What I have seen suggested is, that Colner is
actually a Colnago, with another name due to some kind of "one team
restriction" back in the seventies. It certainly looks like a Colnago
but in stead of a clover there is a yellow spades on the front. Frame
is metallic blue with yellow "Colner" decals. Further it seems that
there was a team called Ijsboerke-Colner in 1974-1975 and a team called
Ijsboerke-Colnago in 1976. I guess, this points on some kond of
relation between Colner and Colnago but it may be just me wishing.

What do you guys know about this Colner brand? Is it a good quality
frame, which tubing etc...? Any information on this Colner frame would
be much appreciated.

I do think the bike was in near original condition. It is mounted with
Universal Super 68 brakes and the old Shimano 600 gear but campagnolo
shifters thus it was probably mounted with campy gear to begin with.

thanks
greg

greg said:

Thanks guys. Well, I didn't wrote it in my initial post, but I had
googled colner and found exactly the information you're both reffering
to. I.a. therefore, I wanted to ask in this forum for further
information as it can hardly be a argentinian colner and a disguised
colnago at the same time. For obvious reasons I like to believe that
It's a colnago in disguise, but I hoped sombody had some knowledge on
this brand??

Good Luck! Your Colner "Colnago" is sort of like having a Windsor
"Cinelli"....

Then again, I found the following on the Classic Rendezvous list:

"Colnago marketed as a second brand COLNER for a period that the UCI
allowed a bicycle manufacturer to sponsor only one professional team,
with COLNER they did have a second entry with the Belgium based
IJSBOERKE professional team in the '70 and '80."

"At some time during the early80s and the early 90s Ernesto
Colnago marketed a "down-market" brand called Colner. I visited the
company's stand at various Cologne and Milan exhibitions.. The idea was
to
have a subsidiary brand that could be produced in larger quantities and

sold to a wider range of agents and retail shops, therby leaving the
COLNAGO dealerships more exclusive. I started negotiations to import
the
frames into England but withdrew from the deal when I found out the
quantities they required per month, the range of frames to be handled -

all models, no choice involved! The final nail in the coffin was that
irrevocable orders for the next twelve months had to be placed at the
time
of signing the contract. The frames were very attractive and no doubt
very
roadworthy but less elaborate than the Colnago Cx, Arabesques etc of
that
time. Colners could be compared with good brands such as Ciocc,
Pinarellos. Olmos etc in their looks and buils quality - good Italian
workhorses. From the front they were readily recognisable by their head

transfer- a black Ace of Spades. As for the name Colner well, just
think
of it ERnesto COLNago.. There is no doubt whatsoever that the frames
were
bought in and not manufactured by Colnago. Firms like TechoTube,
Romani,
Simonsini often acted as large subcontractors. It is likely that the
brand
was phased out gradually as the main brand became probably the world's
best known and sought after one."

Bottom line, if you can *prove* your bike is one of the above, it might
have some value, but it probably won't be worth anything close to what
a Colnago would be, especially if you're trying to compare to say a
Wine Red with white transfer Colnago Super, NOW that is one sweet bike

THANKS bfd, that was exactly the kind of historical information I was
looking for. That really clears up a lot in terms of origin. I don't
care about the resale value. I bought it for less than 100 USD, and
find it intriguing to explore its origin, but I have no plans of
selling or anything like that, I just use it for daily commuting.
Still, it is nice to know if it is a quality bike or a piece of [censored],
but i guess riding it is the best way to figure out ;-)

Thanks again

Cheers
Greg

bfd said:

greg said:

Thanks guys. Well, I didn't wrote it in my initial post, but I had
googled colner and found exactly the information you're both reffering
to. I.a. therefore, I wanted to ask in this forum for further
information as it can hardly be a argentinian colner and a disguised
colnago at the same time. For obvious reasons I like to believe that
It's a colnago in disguise, but I hoped sombody had some knowledge on
this brand??

Good Luck! Your Colner "Colnago" is sort of like having a Windsor
"Cinelli"....

Then again, I found the following on the Classic Rendezvous list:

"Colnago marketed as a second brand COLNER for a period that the UCI
allowed a bicycle manufacturer to sponsor only one professional team,
with COLNER they did have a second entry with the Belgium based
IJSBOERKE professional team in the '70 and '80."

"At some time during the early80s and the early 90s Ernesto
Colnago marketed a "down-market" brand called Colner. I visited the
company's stand at various Cologne and Milan exhibitions.. The idea was
to
have a subsidiary brand that could be produced in larger quantities and

sold to a wider range of agents and retail shops, therby leaving the
COLNAGO dealerships more exclusive. I started negotiations to import
the
frames into England but withdrew from the deal when I found out the
quantities they required per month, the range of frames to be handled -

all models, no choice involved! The final nail in the coffin was that
irrevocable orders for the next twelve months had to be placed at the
time
of signing the contract. The frames were very attractive and no doubt
very
roadworthy but less elaborate than the Colnago Cx, Arabesques etc of
that
time. Colners could be compared with good brands such as Ciocc,
Pinarellos. Olmos etc in their looks and buils quality - good Italian
workhorses. From the front they were readily recognisable by their head

transfer- a black Ace of Spades. As for the name Colner well, just
think
of it ERnesto COLNago.. There is no doubt whatsoever that the frames
were
bought in and not manufactured by Colnago. Firms like TechoTube,
Romani,
Simonsini often acted as large subcontractors. It is likely that the
brand
was phased out gradually as the main brand became probably the world's
best known and sought after one."

Bottom line, if you can *prove* your bike is one of the above, it might
have some value, but it probably won't be worth anything close to what
a Colnago would be, especially if you're trying to compare to say a
Wine Red with white transfer Colnago Super, NOW that is one sweet bike