Is chivalry dead?

Accepted puncture protocol with most of the groups I ride with is to stand around offering bad advice.

Once or twice I've seen miracles happen. One person pulls the tube out, then looks for glass in the tyre while another inflates the holed tube to find the hole, and a third gets the spare tube out. While the first is putting the new tube in, the second is rollling up the punctured one for later on, then everyone pulls out the Zefals simultaneously to pump up the now fixed tyre.

But much more often than that it's the circle of friends with the bad advice.

Regards,

Suzy

Marx SS said:

Scene 1 opens: You’re riding along a bike path/road/bike lane, coming up to a fellow cyclist on the nature strip fixing his flat tyre. He looks like he’s got it sussed, well equipped & seems to be making good progress. As you ride closer, he doesn’t look up as he’s kinda busy, but would you slow & offer assistance anyway or cycle on?

Scene 2: you’re riding long a bike path, it’s Sunday, lunchtime & it’s a nice day. As you round a corner you happen across 3 cyclists, one of them has their bike upturned, rear wheel off & using a stick to pry out the tube from the tyre, most likely trying to repair a flat. They look up as they see you & flag you down.
“Have you got a pump?” one asks.
“sure, no worries” you offer.
You hand over your pump to the guy with the stick & he beings to pump away. Even though your pump has both a presa & Hauser (spelling??) valve adapter, it’s not working well with his Dunlop valve.
“have you patched it yet?” you ask.
“Nah, should be right through, we pumped it up at home OK, and that was an hour ago”.
Would you pass up your spare tube & perhaps sit through a display of a group first time tube replacement?

2 different examples which happened to me recently. Just interested how you would have approached these?

i think the protocol involves not getting one.

personally, you can play with my pump as much as you want, fiddle with my tyre levers but there is no way you are touching my tube!

"byron27" wrote in message ...

Quoted message said:

Marx SS said:

Scene 1 opens: You're riding along a bike path/road/bike lane, coming up
to a fellow cyclist on the nature strip fixing his flat tyre. He looks
like he's got it sussed, well equipped & seems to be making good
progress. As you ride closer, he doesn't look up as he's kinda busy,
but would you slow & offer assistance anyway or cycle on?

Scene 2: you're riding long a bike path, it's Sunday, lunchtime & it's

<snip>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Would you pass up your spare tube & perhaps sit through a display of a
group first time tube replacement?

2 different examples which happened to me recently. Just interested how
you would have approached these?

i think the protocol involves not getting one.

personally, you can play with my pump as much as you want, fiddle with
my tyre levers but there is no way you are touching my tube!

--
byron27

6'5", curly hair, bit like krusty the clown i spose

Off road I always offer assistance and have often given away a spare tube when I had one available. I've had a tube and patches
given to me on a couple of occasions so what goes around comes around.

On a bike path or road I might stop offer assistance but probably wouldn't give away a tube.

Parbs

"Marx SS" <[email hidden]

Quoted message said:

<snip puncture scenes>

Bunch ride rule:
'Fix your own punctures, if you're lucky, the others will wait'

Personally, my level of assistance would depend on
where I was and where I was heading. Close to home
or short ride, I can afford to hand out a spare. 200k's
until I reach home I'll probably want to hang onto my
spares. I figure any rider in the city area has spares,
PT, Taxis, friends with cars to call on..

Out in the bush is different.. always help.

hippy

On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 at 09:12 GMT, hippy (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

Quoted message said:

Personally, my level of assistance would depend on
where I was and where I was heading. Close to home
or short ride, I can afford to hand out a spare. 200k's
until I reach home I'll probably want to hang onto my
spares. I figure any rider in the city area has spares,
PT, Taxis, friends with cars to call on..

Friends? Wah?

Cars? Eh?

--
TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/
If the plural of moose is meese the singular of sheep must be shoop.
--Hetta on RHOD

TimC said:

On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 at 09:12 GMT, hippy (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

Quoted message said:

Personally, my level of assistance would depend on
where I was and where I was heading. Close to home
or short ride, I can afford to hand out a spare. 200k's
until I reach home I'll probably want to hang onto my
spares. I figure any rider in the city area has spares,
PT, Taxis, friends with cars to call on..

Friends? Wah?

Cars? Eh?

--
TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/
If the plural of moose is meese the singular of sheep must be shoop.
--Hetta on RHOD

I always ask, even if they look as tho' they've got it sussed. Once, I found a guy with a severely split sidewall on his rim pumping up a tyre/new tube after it had "mysteriously' blown out (no, I did not lend him my wheel, but I pointed him to the nearest bikeshop). Nothing worse than rejecting help yourself, and then finding out your only tube has a hole. Someone to commiserate with anyway.

M "Good ol' Aussie mateship" H

<snip all of it>

Most of my flats have been close to home. A few times I've walked home,
then fixed the flat sitting on the couch in front of the telly. This is
a very slow way to change a tube because there's a lack of focus, but
it's comfortable and out of the sun. Anyway, each time I've done this,
I've always had cyclists offer me pumps and tubes. They've always been
solo males though.

T

"Tamyka Bell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

<snip all of it>

Most of my flats have been close to home. A few times I've walked home,
then fixed the flat sitting on the couch in front of the telly. This is
a very slow way to change a tube because there's a lack of focus, but
it's comfortable and out of the sun. Anyway, each time I've done this,
I've always had cyclists offer me pumps and tubes. They've always been
solo males though.

You mean 'single' males right? ;-)
(actually.. the wives need never know..)

hippy

hippy said:

"Tamyka Bell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

<snip all of it>

Most of my flats have been close to home. A few times I've walked home,
then fixed the flat sitting on the couch in front of the telly. This is
a very slow way to change a tube because there's a lack of focus, but
it's comfortable and out of the sun. Anyway, each time I've done this,
I've always had cyclists offer me pumps and tubes. They've always been
solo males though.

You mean 'single' males right? ;-)
(actually.. the wives need never know..)

hippy

Hey, how would I know if they're single?! No, they're solo!!! Which may
mean they are faster than the bunch, slower than the bunch, or have no
friends; or just that, like me, they enjoy the solitude.

Oh and I'm serious, how do I know if they're single?! (I've been duped
before...)

T

Tamyka Bell said:

Oh and I'm serious, how do I know if they're single?! (I've been duped
before...)

Short answer: you don't.

Long answer: you ask them, and you trust their answer with reservation
until you're reasonably sure you can trust them.

Stuart the perpetually single guy, who's wondering the same thing about
females, and why all the good ones always seem to be taken...

--
My Usenet From: address now expires after two weeks. If you email me, and
the mail bounces, try changing the bit before the "@ to usenet".

"Tamyka Bell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

hippy said:

"Tamyka Bell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

Quoted message said:

<snip all of it>
I've always had cyclists offer me pumps and tubes. They've always been
solo males though.

You mean 'single' males right? ;-)
(actually.. the wives need never know..)

Hey, how would I know if they're single?! No, they're solo!!! Which may
mean they are faster than the bunch, slower than the bunch, or have no
friends; or just that, like me, they enjoy the solitude.

Oh and I'm serious, how do I know if they're single?! (I've been duped
before...)

I'd say check for wedding rings and lipstick marks.. but
often, guys are too smart to leave them lying around :-)

You will have to start measuring drool amounts..
more drool = more desperate = more likely single

hippy

Stuart Lamble said:

Tamyka Bell said:

Oh and I'm serious, how do I know if they're single?! (I've been duped
before...)

Short answer: you don't.

Long answer: you ask them, and you trust their answer with reservation
until you're reasonably sure you can trust them.

Stuart the perpetually single guy, who's wondering the same thing about
females, and why all the good ones always seem to be taken...

Hmmm, well while we're off topic anyway, why is it that, when you're
looking, no one's interested, and when you're not interested, suddenly
they flock to you and won't leave you be?

T

hippy said:

"Tamyka Bell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

hippy said:

"Tamyka Bell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> <snip all of it>
> I've always had cyclists offer me pumps and tubes. They've always been
> solo males though.

You mean 'single' males right? ;-)
(actually.. the wives need never know..)

Hey, how would I know if they're single?! No, they're solo!!! Which may
mean they are faster than the bunch, slower than the bunch, or have no
friends; or just that, like me, they enjoy the solitude.

Oh and I'm serious, how do I know if they're single?! (I've been duped
before...)

I'd say check for wedding rings and lipstick marks.. but
often, guys are too smart to leave them lying around :-)

You will have to start measuring drool amounts..
more drool = more desperate = more likely single

hippy

I thought it was

more drool = more likely to be a drummer

T

"Tamyka Bell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Stuart Lamble said:

Tamyka Bell said:

Oh and I'm serious, how do I know if they're single?! (I've been duped
before...)

Short answer: you don't.

Long answer: you ask them, and you trust their answer with reservation
until you're reasonably sure you can trust them.

Stuart the perpetually single guy, who's wondering the same thing about
females, and why all the good ones always seem to be taken...

Hmmm, well while we're off topic anyway, why is it that, when you're
looking, no one's interested, and when you're not interested, suddenly
they flock to you and won't leave you be?

"I blame pheromones." *

Maybe we could create a.b Dating Service?
Stuart, volunteering your details as its first client? ;-)

hippy
* may not actually know what he's talking about

"Tamyka Bell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I thought it was
more drool = more likely to be a drummer

Isn't it knuckle-dragging that gives drummers away?

hippy

Tamyka Bell said:

Stuart Lamble said:

Tamyka Bell said:

Oh and I'm serious, how do I know if they're single?! (I've been duped
before...)

Short answer: you don't.

Long answer: you ask them, and you trust their answer with reservation
until you're reasonably sure you can trust them.

Stuart the perpetually single guy, who's wondering the same thing about
females, and why all the good ones always seem to be taken...

Hmmm, well while we're off topic anyway, why is it that, when you're
looking, no one's interested, and when you're not interested, suddenly
they flock to you and won't leave you be?

T

This raises my wedding ring theory. If a man is wearing a wedding ring
and starts talking to a woman they are more likely to think it's an
innocent chat as opposed to an attempt to pick up and be more receptive.
Also if you are already taken then you are more relaxed talking to the
opposite sex and become more attractive through being relaxed.

If I'd recognised all this before I got married I might have just bought
a cheap wedding ring and worn it all the time.

DaveB "tried to make this cyclign related but gave up"

hippy said:

"Tamyka Bell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

<snip>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Hmmm, well while we're off topic anyway, why is it that, when you're
looking, no one's interested, and when you're not interested, suddenly
they flock to you and won't leave you be?

"I blame pheromones." *

Maybe we could create a.b Dating Service?
Stuart, volunteering your details as its first client? ;-)

hippy
* may not actually know what he's talking about

chicks dig big words

T

ha ha ha ha....

DaveB said:

Tamyka Bell wrote:

<snip>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Hmmm, well while we're off topic anyway, why is it that, when you're
looking, no one's interested, and when you're not interested, suddenly
they flock to you and won't leave you be?

T

This raises my wedding ring theory. If a man is wearing a wedding ring
and starts talking to a woman they are more likely to think it's an
innocent chat as opposed to an attempt to pick up and be more receptive.
Also if you are already taken then you are more relaxed talking to the
opposite sex and become more attractive through being relaxed.

If I'd recognised all this before I got married I might have just bought
a cheap wedding ring and worn it all the time.

DaveB "tried to make this cyclign related but gave up"

I've heard that before, but there's got to be more to it than that.
Please. Oh God help me.

T

Tamyka Bell said:

[snip]

Hmmm, well while we're off topic anyway, why is it that, when you're
looking, no one's interested, and when you're not interested, suddenly
they flock to you and won't leave you be?

T

Kevin Bloody Wilson has wondered exactly the same thing...

Ritch