Iron deficiency/low red blood cell count

David Dalton <[email hidden]> wrote:
[Blah blah about his low blood sugar]

Quoted message said:

(I added alt.vampyres to the newsgroups line mainly as
a joke, and have set followup-to to outside of it .)

Why did you add alt.vampyres as a joke? Ha ha. I actually have
information that might help you, but I'll be damned if I'll
divulge it now. Talk to your M.D.

Barbara J. Kuehl, Ph.D.

(BabyJ) said:

David Dalton <[email hidden]> wrote:
[Blah blah about his low blood sugar]

Quoted message said:

(I added alt.vampyres to the newsgroups line mainly as
a joke, and have set followup-to to outside of it .)

Why did you add alt.vampyres as a joke? Ha ha. I actually have
information that might help you, but I'll be damned if I'll
divulge it now. Talk to your M.D.

Good for you, Barbara. Those who won't practice basic netiquette deserve no
answers. I don't know what alt.vampyres is about exactly, but I'm pretty sure
the folks there didn't laugh at the "joke" much. Usenet abuse and lack of
common netiquette is rampant. It destroys newsgroups, and inappropriate
cross-posting is high on the list of how that happens.

Got a question? Good, ask in the appropriate newsgroups and limit your
cross-posting to 3 groups *maximum*. If you can't follow that "rule" then I
can only assume you probably fart in public and pick your nose at the dinner
table too.

David Dalton trolled alt.vampyres with:

(snip)

Quoted message said:

Does anyone have any other dietary suggestions for me?

Eliminate food from your diet.

Quoted message said:

Or could there be non-dietary reasons for the low
red blood cell count and low iron count?

Did you troll alt.vampyres in hope of hearing a confession? Forget it.
*I* never bite and tell!

Quoted message said:

(I added alt.vampyres to the newsgroups line mainly as a joke

How appropriate. Your blood tastes funny.

--Igor Chompinsky

David Dalton said:

This is unusual since I am a lacto ovo vegetarian plus some
fish and have fish about twice a week and soy based protein
about twice a week, and very occasionally eggs and fairly
often cheese or soy "cheese". I also get a reasonable amount
of whole wheat bread and eat granola maybe four days a week.

Start cooking in cast iron skillets.

Tsu Dho Nimh

--
When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like
politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or
your kid and run for your life.

Quoted message said:

Subject: Iron deficiency/low red blood cell count
From: David Dalton [email hidden]
Date: 7/29/2004 12:38 PM Mountain Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

A few days ago I had a regular suite of blood tests done for
my GP and she called me in and said all, including cholestral,
was well except that I had a low red blood cell count and
low iron level.

LOW iron level .. ?

Unless you have some underlying problem .. internal bleeding , malabsorption ..
you have a VERY LOW .. 'chance' of being TRUELY .. iron 'deficient' ..

The 'markers' used to assess iron 'deficiency' .. are PRESENTLY .. under ..
'review' .. and therefore ANY .. 'diagnosis' of iron .. 'deficiency' .. must be
THOROUGHLY investigated ..

Doctors have readily admitted giving iron to their patients has killed them /
hastened their deaths.

This is due to the fact doctors in their ignorance have no idea as to what the
'workings' of iron .. are.

The body attempts to withhold iron FROM an invader .. virus , bacteria , cancer
and therefore makes the body 'appear' to be iron 'deficient' .. lacking red
blood cells .. but WHEN the iron is FORCED into the system / body .. the iron
NOW .. kills .. you ..

Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com
Man Is A Herbivore! http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking

the most common cause of iron deficiency anemia in adults is
gastrointestinal blood loss.
unless you've had gastric bypass surgery or on a totally bizarre diet or on
dialysis (which we're guessing you're not), you should have no problem
"absorbing" iron. the answer is not iron supplementation or 'diet'
changes --- you need to have this problem evaluated by a competent physician
to determine where you're losing blood/iron from...

"David Dalton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

A few days ago I had a regular suite of blood tests done for
my GP and she called me in and said all, including cholestral,
was well except that I had a low red blood cell count and
low iron level.

This is unusual since I am a lacto ovo vegetarian plus some
fish and have fish about twice a week and soy based protein
about twice a week, and very occasionally eggs and fairly
often cheese or soy "cheese". I also get a reasonable amount
of whole wheat bread and eat granola maybe four days a week.
I have read that drinking tea with meals can reduce iron
absorption so that could be a slight factor. Also
for about three weeks I was not taking any vitamins
but well maybe two weeks ago resumed taking both a B-complex,
C, and a multivitamin containing some iron. As of
today I also started taking at least for a while 300 mg
ferrous gluconate three times a day, but I also plan
to increase my intake of green vegetables, increase
my intake of actual beans, peas and lentils a little,
and shift the bit of white bread I have been eating
to whole wheat bread. But I won't go back to eating
mammal meat. Also perhaps my carbohydrate intake has
been slightly high lately so I may reduce that. And
lately I have had appetite late at night often so I
will try to restrict myself to just an apple after
supper, especially since I want to lose 30 lb.

Does anyone have any other dietary suggestions for me?
Or could there be non-dietary reasons for the low
red blood cell count and low iron count? My sister
used to suffer from anemia when she was an undergrad
so perhaps there could be a genetic component even.
Also can exercise levels and/or stress levels affect
the absorption of iron?

After a few weeks and a bit of dietary adjustment I
will get the blood test repeated and see my GP again
if it is still abnormal.

(I added alt.vampyres to the newsgroups line mainly as
a joke, and have set followup-to to outside of it .)

David

(BabyJ) said:

David Dalton <[email hidden]> wrote:
[Blah blah about his low blood sugar]

Quoted message said:

(I added alt.vampyres to the newsgroups line mainly as
a joke, and have set followup-to to outside of it .)

Why did you add alt.vampyres as a joke? Ha ha. I actually have
information that might help you, but I'll be damned if I'll
divulge it now. Talk to your M.D.

Obviously since vampire attacks could result in low blood count
but I wasn't taking that too seriously. And you are an [censored].
Informtaion you divulge may help thousands of other readers,
not just me.

Quoted message said:

Barbara J. Kuehl, Ph.D.

Quoted message said:

Got a question? Good, ask in the appropriate newsgroups and limit your
cross-posting to 3 groups *maximum*. If you can't follow that "rule" then I
can only assume you probably fart in public and pick your nose at the dinner
table too.

F off. Most service providers that filter out massive crossposts
allow crossposts to 5 groups through fine, and there is a net
spam rule that says that a crosspost to 5 groups even without
a followup-to set will not be automatically flagged as spam.
To 6 would, but to up to 29 with a followup-to to one would not.
That "rule" is just a guideline from those who set their
newsreaders to filter out crossposts to more than three groups
and I don't care if they miss a few of my posts, if they want
all of my posts they will have to set that filter to more than five
groups.

David

Igor Chompinsky said:

David Dalton trolled alt.vampyres with:

(snip)

Quoted message said:

Does anyone have any other dietary suggestions for me?

Eliminate food from your diet.

Quoted message said:

Or could there be non-dietary reasons for the low
red blood cell count and low iron count?

Did you troll alt.vampyres in hope of hearing a confession? Forget it.
*I* never bite and tell!

Quoted message said:

(I added alt.vampyres to the newsgroups line mainly as a joke

How appropriate. Your blood tastes funny.

--Igor Chompinsky

Eliabath Miller, who I had for me second first year English course,
e-mailed me a reply that vampires want people with high iron
content. But my point was that AFTER a supposed vampire attack
someone's red blood cell Count (her capitalization) and iron level
might show low.

Why did you override my followup-to setting?

David

Tsu Dho Nimh said:

David Dalton said:

This is unusual since I am a lacto ovo vegetarian plus some
fish and have fish about twice a week and soy based protein
about twice a week, and very occasionally eggs and fairly
often cheese or soy "cheese". I also get a reasonable amount
of whole wheat bread and eat granola maybe four days a week.

Start cooking in cast iron skillets.

I do, all the time, nice old ones, though often do my stir-fries
in a teflon coated electric wok.

Last night I had a microwave Indian chickpea dinner and
some raw broccolli and found about six types of dried
beans in the cupboard and put some of one type (look
like like small shrivelled kidney beans, not sure if they
are pinto beans, there was no label) in soak for vegie
chili which I will cook today. That made me feel a
wee bit better (but I must use the chickpeas in the
cupboard soon too, and also do a beans and rice
later though I would like my Cuban-Vancouver friend
Roberto Carrasco's recipe and will work on that later.
(he does amazing green tomato salsa too and makes
great espresso in old wooden little cups and knows
oodles about art if you want to buy some, good
mythic Latin American or Latin American-influenced
type art among it).

David

On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 08:39:06 -0230, David Dalton <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Most service providers that filter out massive crossposts
allow crossposts to 5 groups through fine, and there is a net
spam rule that says that a crosspost to 5 groups even without
a followup-to set will not be automatically flagged as spam.
To 6 would, but to up to 29 with a followup-to to one would not.
That "rule" is just a guideline from those who set their
newsreaders to filter out crossposts to more than three groups
and I don't care if they miss a few of my posts, if they want
all of my posts they will have to set that filter to more than five
groups.

Google groups http://groups.google.com used to only
archive posts to four groups or fewer but now I think
they archive posts to five groups or maybe even more
and have added some past such ones. And even some
of my long crossposts to many groups that were not
on there are on there now but the newsgroups line
may be truncated to the first, maximum now for them,
number of newsgroups.

But while I now sometimes post to up to five groups
I most often restrict myself to four groups or fewer
and try to set a followup-to if appropriate.

Those who don't want crossposting can go hang
out on web forums, their own little insular world
though are more easily tracked there I think and
don't have the nice advantages of offline newsreaders.

David

It became obvious why David Dalton never got that diplomatic posting

when he said:

Eliabath Miller, who I had for me second first year English course,

I won't ask Dr. Miller how she graded you--I think it's obvious.

Quoted message said:

Why did you override my followup-to setting?

Why did you troll alt.vampyres with an allegedly serious request?

--Igor Chompinsky

David Dalton said:

F off. Most service providers that filter out massive crossposts
allow crossposts to 5 groups through fine, and there is a net
spam rule that says that a crosspost to 5 groups even without
a followup-to set will not be automatically flagged as spam.
To 6 would, but to up to 29 with a followup-to to one would not.
That "rule" is just a guideline from those who set their
newsreaders to filter out crossposts to more than three groups
and I don't care if they miss a few of my posts, if they want
all of my posts they will have to set that filter to more than five
groups.

How many newsgroups coulda/woulda/shoulda been allowable in your
crosspost is not relevant. It is the fact that you added alt.vampyres
as a joke, for the laugh, which shows your utter lack of respect for
our newsgroup. Have you so little honor that you would troll an
entire group just to make us the butt of your joke?

^BJ^

When David Dalton crossposted a request to alt.vampyres for
information about his low blood count and then added:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

(I added alt.vampyres to the newsgroups line mainly as
a joke, and have set followup-to to outside of it .)

I scolded:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Why did you add alt.vampyres as a joke? Ha ha. I actually have
information that might help you, but I'll be damned if I'll
divulge it now. Talk to your M.D.

And he replied:

Quoted message said:

Obviously since vampire attacks could result in low blood count
but I wasn't taking that too seriously.

Actually, vampire attacks typically result in low blood VOLUME,
not counts. If the volume falls low enough, death would result
from hypovolemic shock. In any case, the percentage of remaining
RBCs/bVolume would remain the same.

Temporary anemia from a vampire attack could result if the lost
volume was replenished without replacing RBCs. [This can be
accomplished by the body's own hemostatic system or by artificial
transfusion of plasma, water, or saline without adding RBCs]. Given
no underlying pathology, this type of anemia would be a temporary
condition because RBCs have a lifespan of about four months and
are constantly being replenished.

Prolonged anemia would result only if the vampire is periodically
feeding on said individual without giving him/her a chance to
produce more RBCs. Such frequent feedings may cause the hemoglobin/
hematocrit to drop as the body compensates for the lost
circulating volume.

If you suspect that your anemia is due to a vampire attack, I
suggest that you keep your windows and doors closed at night, rub
all the sills with garlic juice, place a fresh bouquet of garlic
next to your bed each night, and wear a crucifix. Keeping a vial
of holy water handy would be an added asset, should the vampire
get through your defenses.

Quoted message said:

And you are an [censored].

No. I'm a BJ.

Quoted message said:

Informtaion you divulge may help thousands of other readers,
not just me.

Talk with your doctor. As others have pointed out to you, there
are many causes of anemia, and iron replacement is only one bandaid.
Besides, why should you be entitled to my milk for free when you're
already paying your doctor for the use of her cow?

^BJ^

Beachhouse said:

the most common cause of iron deficiency anemia in adults is
gastrointestinal blood loss.

Are you sure of that? I would have guessed it was menstrual blood loss.

I'd guess that GI blood loss is the most common etiology if you exclude
women between the ages of 18 and 45.

--
David Rind
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