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  1. Hi folks

    I posted a couple of weeks ago asking for advice on touring in the
    Channel islands in a couple of weeks - well, I've decided to put that
    off for a couple of months since all the campsites and many of the
    guesthouses and hotels are closed then, and the ferry to Alderney
    doesn't start up until April (I wanted to go and visit the little
    blonde hedgehogs 🙂

    Anyway, I just discovered you can get cheap train/ferry combo tickets
    to Ireland and am now thinking about a few days over there instead.
    Can anybody recommend a good cycling area in Ireland? I'm not afraid
    of a few hills, in fact would prefer scenic hilly stuff to flats. I'm
    looking at 4-5 days.

    Cheers all
    Hel

  2. If you can get there the Ring of Kerry, South West coast, is great.

    Helen said:

    Hi folks

    I posted a couple of weeks ago asking for advice on touring in the
    Channel islands in a couple of weeks - well, I've decided to put that
    off for a couple of months since all the campsites and many of the
    guesthouses and hotels are closed then, and the ferry to Alderney
    doesn't start up until April (I wanted to go and visit the little
    blonde hedgehogs 🙂

    Anyway, I just discovered you can get cheap train/ferry combo tickets
    to Ireland and am now thinking about a few days over there instead.
    Can anybody recommend a good cycling area in Ireland? I'm not afraid
    of a few hills, in fact would prefer scenic hilly stuff to flats. I'm
    looking at 4-5 days.

    Cheers all
    Hel

  3. Helen said:

    Hi folks

    I posted a couple of weeks ago asking for advice on touring in the
    Channel islands in a couple of weeks - well, I've decided to put that
    off for a couple of months since all the campsites and many of the
    guesthouses and hotels are closed then, and the ferry to Alderney
    doesn't start up until April (I wanted to go and visit the little
    blonde hedgehogs 🙂

    Anyway, I just discovered you can get cheap train/ferry combo tickets
    to Ireland and am now thinking about a few days over there instead.
    Can anybody recommend a good cycling area in Ireland? I'm not afraid
    of a few hills, in fact would prefer scenic hilly stuff to flats. I'm
    looking at 4-5 days.

    Cheers all
    Hel

    Hi Helen,

    You can get the ferries to Dublin Port (Dublin city centre), Dun
    Laoghaire (6 miles south of Dublin city centre), Rosslare (SE tip),
    and Larne and Belfast in Northern Ireland.

    The east coast is generally a bit drier than the west, though most of
    the country is "dampish" at this time of year.

    County Wicklow (immediately south of Dublin) has excellent cycling,
    and is reachable from Dublin Port or Dun Laoghaire in an hour's
    cycle . See http://www.wicklow200.ie for an idea of terrain. Hilly and
    scenic in equal measure, and my own back yard.

    Carlow/Kilkenny is another nice area, readily reachable from Rosslare,
    and with plenty of good cycling roads.

    If you want to head further West, you could kick off from Galway and
    head out from there. It's a traditional tourism area (not too
    "touristy" in the bad sense). Galway/Clare/Mayo is very scenic, with
    plenty of good cycling roads, but you'd want to have your nightly
    stops planned in advance, as it's a bit less populated than some other
    areas. Probably a half day's travel from Dublin, a little longer from
    Rosslare.

    Transport on trains with a bicycle here is patchy at best.
    I've never had a problem getting my bike onto the inter-city coach
    services though, and they are far cheaper than the train, and at least
    as reliable. The main hub for these buses in Dublin is "Busaras" (bus
    station), which is about 2km from Dublin Port. There are similarly
    good bus connections from Rosslare Port, timed to coincide with the
    Ferry arrivals/departures.

    Roads are generally reasonably well surfaced. Most National roads
    have a substantial, well paved, hard shoulder, though nearly all some
    have stretches where this is not the case. As in the UK, bicycles
    aren't allowed on the motorways, but the "old road" is normaly still
    in place running roughly in parallel, so you shouldn't be stuck. You
    should get an up-to-date map - there's been a lot of road building,
    and several National Road -> Motorway upgrades in the last few years.

    Hotels are pretty expensive here, but B&Bs are plentiful in most
    areas, and competition keeps the prices down, though the Republic of
    Ireland is no longer cheap by UK standards. €30 per person per night
    is really the minimum you'll get away with - normally more like €50
    p.p.p.n., more again in the really touristy areas like Killarney.

    Given the choice, I'd come in to Rosslare, head north through Wexford/
    Carlow/Kilkenny/Wicklow, and leave again from Dublin Port or Dun
    Laoghaire. It's only about 160km by direct route from Rosslare to
    Dublin via the coast road, but you can stretch that out to whatever
    you want by going inland.

    Almost everywhere will take Credit Cards, and Maestro/Cirrus (called
    Laser over here) is also accepted. Some B&B's won't though - it's
    worth checking when ringing to book.

    I work in Northern Ireland quite a bit - it's a nice place, the people
    are friendly (regardless of what the media would have you believe,
    it's a lovely place with a very small number of areas that are best
    avoided), and you won't have to change your Sterling to Euros and back
    again. I haven't cycled there myself though, so I can't advise you
    beyond the above.

    In and around Dublin, we have plentiful stupid, dangerous bike lanes,
    ill though-out junctions, lethal steel tramlines/grooves sunk into the
    road, and the "tac-tiles" are arranged just like in the UK, to cause
    maximum inconvenience to all users. Home away from home ;-)

    hth,

    bookieb.

  4. bookieb said:

    You can get the ferries to Dublin Port (Dublin city centre), Dun
    Laoghaire (6 miles south of Dublin city centre), Rosslare (SE tip),
    and Larne and Belfast in Northern Ireland.

    When I went there in 2004 the ferries from Holyhead to Dublin were for
    motor vehicles only, no foot passengers or bicycles. The Holyhead to Dun
    Laoghaire route does take foot passengers and cyclists, and is a much
    more pleasant place than Dublin Port, IMO. It's also that much closer to
    good cycling in the Wicklow Hills.

    I cycled south out of Dublin to Rosslare, passing through Glendalough on
    the way, then caught the ferry to Fishguard. Very pleasant trip, but if
    time is short than a round trip between Holyhead and Dun Laoghaire and a
    loop ride in the Wicklow Hills going as far south as Glendalough would
    be a great way to spend a few days.

    mark

  5. Helen wrote on 21/02/2007 14:54 +0100:

    Quoted message said:


    Anyway, I just discovered you can get cheap train/ferry combo tickets
    to Ireland and am now thinking about a few days over there instead.

    Are you sure they are real? I tried to get them last year and found it
    impossible. I spoke with the Man in Seat61 who has access to all the
    ticketing information and found them very elusive.

    Quoted message said:

    Can anybody recommend a good cycling area in Ireland? I'm not afraid
    of a few hills, in fact would prefer scenic hilly stuff to flats. I'm
    looking at 4-5 days.

    The Antrim Coast is highly recommended and there is a cycle route that
    runs along it. Plenty of hills to keep you occupied and you can take
    inland excursions along the glens for more hills and moorland scenery.

    --
    Tony

    "...has many omissions and contains much that is apocryphal, or at least
    wildly inaccurate..."
    Douglas Adams; The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

  6. Helen said:

    Hi folks

    I posted a couple of weeks ago asking for advice on touring in the
    Channel islands in a couple of weeks - well, I've decided to put that
    off for a couple of months since all the campsites and many of the
    guesthouses and hotels are closed then, and the ferry to Alderney
    doesn't start up until April (I wanted to go and visit the little
    blonde hedgehogs 🙂

    Anyway, I just discovered you can get cheap train/ferry combo tickets
    to Ireland and am now thinking about a few days over there instead.
    Can anybody recommend a good cycling area in Ireland? I'm not afraid
    of a few hills, in fact would prefer scenic hilly stuff to flats. I'm
    looking at 4-5 days.

    You could give this a go ...

    http://www.ebaumsworld.com/tags/high-rider/

    .... apparently taken here ...

    http://www.cliffsofmoher.ie/TheCliffs.aspx

    .... by this lot ...

    http://www.hansrey.com/past%20adventures/ireland.htm

    --
    Don Whybrow

    Sequi Bonum Non Time

    Sense is not cognition but sensation. (Douglas Robinson)

  7. Tony Raven said:

    Helen wrote on 21/02/2007 14:54 +0100:

    Quoted message said:

    Anyway, I just discovered you can get cheap train/ferry combo tickets
    to Ireland and am now thinking about a few days over there instead.

    Are you sure they are real? I tried to get them last year and found it
    impossible. I spoke with the Man in Seat61 who has access to all the
    ticketing information and found them very elusive.

    I haven't called them yet but found the info on www.sailrail.co.uk via
    seat61.com - I hope it's real otherwise I don't think I can afford the
    separate fares...

    Thanks to everybody who offered advice anyway - I'm not well up on my
    Irish geography so don't know where most of the places are and I'm
    sure I'll be spending a lot of time poring over the map 🙂

    Helen

  8. Don Whybrow said:

    You could give this a go ...

    http://www.ebaumsworld.com/tags/high-rider/

    ... apparently taken here ...

    http://www.cliffsofmoher.ie/TheCliffs.aspx

    ... by this lot ...

    http://www.hansrey.com/past%20adventures/ireland.htm

    Insane... I'm getting dizzy just looking at the pictures.

    Helen

  9. in message <[email hidden]>, Don Whybrow

    (') said:
    Helen said:

    Hi folks

    I posted a couple of weeks ago asking for advice on touring in the
    Channel islands in a couple of weeks - well, I've decided to put that
    off for a couple of months since all the campsites and many of the
    guesthouses and hotels are closed then, and the ferry to Alderney
    doesn't start up until April (I wanted to go and visit the little
    blonde hedgehogs 🙂

    Anyway, I just discovered you can get cheap train/ferry combo tickets
    to Ireland and am now thinking about a few days over there instead.
    Can anybody recommend a good cycling area in Ireland? I'm not afraid
    of a few hills, in fact would prefer scenic hilly stuff to flats. I'm
    looking at 4-5 days.

    You could give this a go ...

    http://www.ebaumsworld.com/tags/high-rider/

    ... apparently taken here ...

    http://www.cliffsofmoher.ie/TheCliffs.aspx

    ... by this lot ...

    http://www.hansrey.com/past%20adventures/ireland.htm

    I've cycled there. It's good, and the Burren (which is nearby) is
    wonderful. Recommended. Take waterproofs!

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    ;; lovely alternative to rice.

  10. Helen wrote on 21/02/2007 21:28 +0100:

    Quoted message said:


    I haven't called them yet but found the info on www.sailrail.co.uk via
    seat61.com - I hope it's real otherwise I don't think I can afford the
    separate fares...

    Try it but when I did in the summer they were nominally available but
    not in practice. Things might have changed though.

    --
    Tony

    "...has many omissions and contains much that is apocryphal, or at least
    wildly inaccurate..."
    Douglas Adams; The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

  11. Helen said:
    Quoted message said:

    http://www.ebaumsworld.com/tags/high-rider/


    [...]

    Quoted message said:

    Insane... I'm getting dizzy just looking at the pictures.

    It is literally 200-300 metres vertically down to the rocks there
    and they are right at the edge--the photos are not lying.

    The location regularly takes victims, unwilling as well as willing
    (has done both sorts in the last few weeks).

    But what I really cannot understand is why are they wearing
    helmets.

    Brendan
    --
    Brendan Halpin, Department of Sociology, University of Limerick, Ireland
    Tel: w +353-61-213147 f +353-61-202569 h +353-61-338562; Room F2-025 x 3147
    [email hidden] http://www.ul.ie/sociology/brendan.halpin.html

  12. Helen said:
    Tony Raven said:

    Helen wrote on 21/02/2007 14:54 +0100:
    Anyway, I just discovered you can get cheap train/ferry combo tickets

    Quoted message said:

    to Ireland and am now thinking about a few days over there instead.


    Are you sure they are real? I tried to get them last year and found it
    impossible. I spoke with the Man in Seat61 who has access to all the
    ticketing information and found them very elusive.

    I haven't called them yet but found the info on www.sailrail.co.uk via
    seat61.com - I hope it's real otherwise I don't think I can afford the
    separate fares...

    The standard tickets (£25 each way or less from most of England and
    Wales) are very easy to get.

    The one problem is that if you go with Stena Line, the second sailing of
    the day of the HSS from Dun Laoghaire to Holyhead arrives too late for
    the last train, so you have to leave at 10:30ish, or, much worse, you
    have to brave Irish Ferries.

    I was sailing with Irish Ferries last month, and came into Dublin
    Ferryport terminal 45 minutes before sailing, and there was a nice queue
    of people checking in, and no sign of movement in the queue and no one
    at the head of it, but a few blokes milling around looking at clipboards.

    The queue disintegrated a bit, and there were only 30 or so people
    milling about waiting for these blokes to do something. A couple of
    people tried to get their attention made noises saying they'd like to
    check in, and they were waved off with a kind of wait a while gesture.

    I got near the front, and asked one of them directly: "Has this sailing
    closed?", to which he was forced to answer no.

    This meant that a couple of minutes later, me and one other person in
    the queue were asked to pencil our names on the manifest and invited to
    walk through to the vessel, which was full of the vehicle passengers.

    All the others, I was told later by my brother who'd dropped me off,
    were sent away saying they'd arrived too late.

    Bunch of [censored].

    But you can buy cigarettes for Cypriot prices on board. The downside is
    that they pay their staff Cypriot wages.

    Anyway, should you need to use them, you'll not need to go through the
    passenger terminal except to get a boarding pass, and then you can ride
    round onto the boat. It's good fun, and easy.

    Especially if you go by Stena Line.

    A

  13. Brendan Halpin wrote on 21/02/2007 22:18 +0100:

    Quoted message said:


    But what I really cannot understand is why are they wearing
    helmets.

    Sponsorship

    --
    Tony

    "...has many omissions and contains much that is apocryphal, or at least
    wildly inaccurate..."
    Douglas Adams; The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

  14. permajeo said:

    If you can get there the Ring of Kerry, South West coast, is great.

    Endorsed. The hills are on the steep side of steep though. Just north
    of there The Burren in County Clare is completely fascinating for the
    flora, and not quite so steep. B&Bs vary from wonderful to dire, and
    it's impossible to work out which is which from the listings. The best
    B&B I've ever stayed at is about 3 or 4 miles west of Kinsale, I don't
    think I can remember the name, but I'm sure I can find map co-ordinates
    (errr, if I can find the right map).

    Mike

    Quoted message said:
  15. permajeo said:

    If you can get there the Ring of Kerry, South West coast, is great.

    Endorsed. The hills are on the steep side of steep though. Just north
    of there The Burren in County Clare is completely fascinating for the
    flora, and not quite so steep. B&Bs vary from wonderful to dire, and
    it's impossible to work out which is which from the listings. The best
    B&B I've ever stayed at is about 3 or 4 miles west of Kinsale, I don't
    think I can remember the name, but I'm sure I can find map co-ordinates
    (errr, if I can find the right map).

    Mike

    Quoted message said:
  16. On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:00:15 +0000

    Don Whybrow said:
    Helen said:

    Hi folks

    Anyway, I just discovered you can get cheap train/ferry combo
    tickets to Ireland and am now thinking about a few days over there
    instead. Can anybody recommend a good cycling area in Ireland? I'm
    not afraid of a few hills, in fact would prefer scenic hilly stuff
    to flats. I'm looking at 4-5 days.

    FWIW, my first cycling trip to Ireland was the Fishguard-Rosslare ferry,
    followed by cycling west along the coast. Very hilly, and very scenic.
    Worth thinking about - and less touristy east of Cork.

    Quoted message said:

    You could give this a go ...

    http://www.ebaumsworld.com/tags/high-rider/

    Heh. Reminds me of my visit to Madiera. Though of course those
    irish cliffs are tiny by comparison to an island that rises over
    a mile high within less than two miles of the coast.

    --
    not me guv

  17. Don Whybrow said:
    Helen said:

    Hi folks

    I posted a couple of weeks ago asking for advice on touring in the
    Channel islands in a couple of weeks - well, I've decided to put that
    off for a couple of months since all the campsites and many of the
    guesthouses and hotels are closed then, and the ferry to Alderney
    doesn't start up until April (I wanted to go and visit the little
    blonde hedgehogs 🙂

    Anyway, I just discovered you can get cheap train/ferry combo tickets
    to Ireland and am now thinking about a few days over there instead.
    Can anybody recommend a good cycling area in Ireland? I'm not afraid
    of a few hills, in fact would prefer scenic hilly stuff to flats. I'm
    looking at 4-5 days.

    You could give this a go ...

    http://www.ebaumsworld.com/tags/high-rider/

    ... apparently taken here ...

    http://www.cliffsofmoher.ie/TheCliffs.aspx

    ... by this lot ...

    http://www.hansrey.com/past%20adventures/ireland.htm


    Cliffs of Moher are wonderful. They're the tallest cliffs in Europe.
    Yes, that does feel counter-intuitive.

    Waterford (county and town) is also a very lovely place to visit.

    Heck, every county has something wonderful to offer.

  18. mark said:


    When I went there in 2004 the ferries from Holyhead to Dublin were for
    motor vehicles only, no foot passengers or bicycles. The Holyhead to Dun
    Laoghaire route does take foot passengers and cyclists, and is a much
    more pleasant place than Dublin Port, IMO. It's also that much closer to
    good cycling in the Wicklow Hills.

    Stena: Holyhead to Dun Laoghaire fast ferry (Stena Explorer)
    Stena: Holyhead to Dublin slow ferry (Stena Adventurer - motor vehicles only)
    Irish Ferries: Holyhead to Dublin fast ferry (Jonathan Swift)
    Irish Ferries: Holyhead to Dublin slow ferry (Ulysses)

    All take bikes apart from the Stena Adventurer, but both operators are heavily geared to
    motor vehicles, the Stena FAQ doesn't even mention bikes.

    Until recently, all Irish long-distance trains included a generator van with lots of
    space for bikes, but several routes have been downgraded to railcars with no bike
    capacity. Dublin to Galway is still OK, as is Dublin to Cork and Dublin to Tralee, but
    most services to Sligo have no room for bikes. Trains from Dun Laoghaire are exclusively
    DART units, which don't take bikes.

    Unlike Britain, there is a charge for cycles.

    Alan

  19. Nick Kew said:


    Heh. Reminds me of my visit to Madiera. Though of course those
    irish cliffs are tiny by comparison to an island that rises over
    a mile high within less than two miles of the coast.

    <shudder> Have they made the runway any longer in the last 30 odd years?

    Mind you, sliding down the hill on a sofa was good fun!

    --
    Don Whybrow

    Sequi Bonum Non Time

    Invalid thought detected. Close all mental processes and restart
    body.

  20. Brendan Halpin said:
    Helen said:
    Quoted message said:

    http://www.ebaumsworld.com/tags/high-rider/


    [...]

    Quoted message said:

    Insane... I'm getting dizzy just looking at the pictures.

    It is literally 200-300 metres vertically down to the rocks there
    and they are right at the edge--the photos are not lying.

    The location regularly takes victims, unwilling as well as willing
    (has done both sorts in the last few weeks).

    But what I really cannot understand is why are they wearing
    helmets.

    Rocks falling from above?

    Seagulls [censored]?

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