Interesting News Item

Dan Gregory said:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,28910-2380184,00.html
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Sickening though it is, Ullrich and Basso may get to race next year. Landis?
No chance.

Simon Bennett said:

Dan Gregory said:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,28910-2380184,00.html
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Sickening though it is, Ullrich and Basso may get to race next year. Landis?
No chance.

Sorry?
Do you believe that media frenzy and unsubstantiated allegation should
rule over due process?

If what I have heard of Landis' case is correct, then he may have
suffered a gross injustice at the hands of incompetence.

If there is no evidence against Basso, then why are you so quick to
call it 'sickening'?

If Ulrich is also being accused bya media witch hunt with no solid
evidence, then likewise it is not 'sickening' that he be allowed to
race but discgraceful that you should call him a cheat with no evidence
beyond innuendo to that end.

Innuendo is not proof. Lets wait, follow the proper channels, the
proper process and then see whether the innuendo is substantiated. If
so then let's hang draw and quarter the scoundrels. If not, then they
deserve to be welcomed back into the top level of the sport with open
arms.

...d

David Martin said:

Simon Bennett said:

Dan Gregory said:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,28910-2380184,00.html
No further comment...

Sickening though it is, Ullrich and Basso may get to race next year. Landis?
No chance.

Sorry?
Do you believe that media frenzy and unsubstantiated allegation should
rule over due process?

If what I have heard of Landis' case is correct, then he may have
suffered a gross injustice at the hands of incompetence.

If there is no evidence against Basso, then why are you so quick to
call it 'sickening'?

If Ulrich is also being accused bya media witch hunt with no solid
evidence, then likewise it is not 'sickening' that he be allowed to
race but discgraceful that you should call him a cheat with no evidence
beyond innuendo to that end.

Innuendo is not proof. Lets wait, follow the proper channels, the
proper process and then see whether the innuendo is substantiated. If
so then let's hang draw and quarter the scoundrels. If not, then they
deserve to be welcomed back into the top level of the sport with open
arms.

..d

What you say is true but the matter could possibly be laid to rest or
otherwise if Basso and Ullrich took a DNA test which both have refused
to do.

Naturally this does not make them guilty but if they were so anxious to
clear their names you would imagine they would both jump at the chance.

Sam Salt

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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,28910-2380184,00.html
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At least give us a clue what it's about!. Many of see it's a Murdoch paper
and assume it's a complete waste of time responding. If you expect us to
respond, don't ask us to link onto any UK website..

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Quoted message said:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,28910-2380184,00.html
No further comment...

At least give us a clue what it's about!. Many of see it's a Murdoch paper
and assume it's a complete waste of time responding. If you expect us to
respond, don't ask us to link onto any UK website..

Eh? Any UK website? What's that about?

And despite being owned by Murdoch, occasionally they do let stuff through
which is worth reading - following the link isn't that hard.

cheers,
clive

OG said:

At least give us a clue what it's about!. Many of see it's a Murdoch paper
and assume it's a complete waste of time responding. If you expect us to
respond, don't ask us to link onto any UK website..

As opposed to any UK newsgroup?

Is there anything significantly different between UK and (say) US
websites that deter you from visiting them?

--
Don Whybrow

Sequi Bonum Non Time

After things go from bad to worse, the cycle will repeat itself.

OG said:

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Quoted message said:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,28910-2380184,00.html
No further comment...

At least give us a clue what it's about!.

Sorry - but as this is a cycling group I would not have posted OT links.
Will give more indication in the future...
Landis, Ulrich & Basso are the subjects of the piece.
All the best
Dan Gregory

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Quoted message said:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,28910-2380184,00.html
No further comment...

At least give us a clue what it's about!.

Sorry - but as this is a cycling group I would not have posted OT links.
Will give more indication in the future...
Landis, Ulrich & Basso are the subjects of the piece.
All the best
Dan Gregory

Apologies are due from me.

I'd had too much whisky, too late at night and too much prejudice against
Murdoch papers.

I apologise for two of the three.

OG said:

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> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,28910-2380184,00.html
> No further comment...
At least give us a clue what it's about!.

Sorry - but as this is a cycling group I would not have posted OT links.
Will give more indication in the future...
Landis, Ulrich & Basso are the subjects of the piece.
All the best
Dan Gregory

Apologies are due from me.

I'd had too much whisky, too late at night and too much prejudice against
Murdoch papers.

I hope it wasn't Bells then ;-))
Apologies all round accepted. I think I'll have a wee dram mysel'
All the best
Dan Gregory

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Apologies are due from me.

I'd had too much whisky, too late at night and too much prejudice against
Murdoch papers.

I apologise for two of the three.

As far as I'm concerned, you can have all three as much as you want :-)

cheers,
clive