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Hello, usually a lurker but I thought this article was quite interesting to
post. I've learned much about mtn. biking just by reading your posts.
Good newsgroup. I live about 5 miles from Aliso/Woods park in So.Calif. and
ride 3 to 4 times a week. I guess were one big family...
Gary
gse said:Hello, usually a lurker but I thought this article was quite interesting to
post. I've learned much about mtn. biking just by reading your posts.
Good newsgroup. I live about 5 miles from Aliso/Woods park in So.Calif. and
ride 3 to 4 times a week. I guess were one big family...Gary
Seems like an anti-mtb article to me. Doesn't matter anyway. Once they
used MV's name the whole article lost all credibility.
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Quoted message said:gse said:Hello, usually a lurker but I thought this article was quite interesting
to
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:post. I've learned much about mtn. biking just by reading your posts.
Good newsgroup. I live about 5 miles from Aliso/Woods park in So.Calif.
and
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:ride 3 to 4 times a week. I guess were one big family...
Gary
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Seems like an anti-mtb article to me. Doesn't matter anyway. Once they
used MV's name the whole article lost all credibility.
Not necessarily, "but horse hoofs do the most damage."
And I'll bet that Frapton whiner is whimpy little moron who thinks a
fireroad was designed for hiking.
Greg
(Pete Cresswell) said:IMHO, mixing MTB and hiking just doesn't work that well. OTOH, good MTB trails
and good hiking trails seem to me tb quite different.... So maybe maybe on
positive move would be for authorities to encourage more trail breaking by
organized MTB-ers....
I hike and bike (more bike). On the trail(s) I do this, I've seen very
little trouble. Hikers yield almost universally - it's just 10X easier
to step off the trail than to stop, dismount and step/roll off the
trail. Most (slight majority) bikers utter a thanks, most hikers offer a
"hi."
Most negative experiences: people letting their dogs off-leash and
failing to clean up after them; and a group of [censored] mtbers whose idea
of alerting a hiker (me) to their progress was, "WATCH OUT!"
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"We should not march into Baghdad. ... Assigning young soldiers to
a fruitless hunt for a securely entrenched dictator and condemning
them to fight in what would be an unwinnable urban guerilla war, it
could only plunge that part of the world into ever greater
instability." George Bush Sr. in his 1998 book "A World Transformed"
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Quoted message said:Hello, usually a lurker but I thought this article was quite interesting
to
post. I've learned much about mtn. biking just by reading your posts.
Good newsgroup. I live about 5 miles from Aliso/Woods park in So.Calif.
and
ride 3 to 4 times a week. I guess were one big family...Gary
Nice quote from MV." "If a mountain bike travels 50 miles in a day, and
hikers travel only five miles, the destruction caused by bikes is 10 times
greater," said Michael Vandeman, a San Francisco hiker who lobbies to close
trails to cyclists. " Well we always knew he was extreme, but this explains
why. Hiker vs Mntbiker. Plain and simple. What bothers me is not so much his
ranting in amb newgroup(where we can plunk him)but in published media. Out
there most people believe what they read. Oh well. At least amb seniors know
the diff and truth about MV.
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news:[email hidden]...Quoted message said:gse said:Hello, usually a lurker but I thought this article was quite interesting
to
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:post. I've learned much about mtn. biking just by reading your posts.
Good newsgroup. I live about 5 miles from Aliso/Woods park in So.Calif.and
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:ride 3 to 4 times a week. I guess were one big family...
Gary
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:
Seems like an anti-mtb article to me. Doesn't matter anyway. Once they
used MV's name the whole article lost all credibility.Not necessarily, "but horse hoofs do the most damage."
And I'll bet that Frapton whiner is whimpy little moron who thinks a
fireroad was designed for hiking.Greg
I thought they were to give pyromaniacs access to the resources they
need for their "sport".
Matt
I thought the data/facts were pretty supportive of mtn biking, but then
they "balanced " it with absurd quotes.
the quotes in the article imply that 50 mile off-road mtn bike rides and
speeds of 30 mph on a mtn bike are somehow typical, while both in
reality are extreme, atypical examples.
marc
Ride-A-Lot said:gse said:Hello, usually a lurker but I thought this article was quite
interesting to
post. I've learned much about mtn. biking just by reading your posts.
Good newsgroup. I live about 5 miles from Aliso/Woods park in
So.Calif. and
ride 3 to 4 times a week. I guess were one big family...Gary
Seems like an anti-mtb article to me. Doesn't matter anyway. Once they
used MV's name the whole article lost all credibility.
gse said:Hello, usually a lurker but I thought this article was quite
interesting to post. I've learned much about mtn. biking just by
reading your posts.
Good newsgroup. I live about 5 miles from Aliso/Woods park in
So.Calif. and ride 3 to 4 times a week. I guess were one big family...
Yay!
Quoted message said:
Check these lines out:
"Despite safety concerns, accidents seem rare. A 1993 study of 40 Forest
Service managers found that only one hiker had been injured by a mountain
bike in the previous year.
Another federal survey of 1,400 users in California's Los Padres National
Forest in 1989 found that only 15 bike and hiker encounters were potentially
harmful, and the only accident involved bikes colliding with each other -
when riders tried to avoid a hiker."
1993 and 1989??? These were when mountain bikes were gaining their
foothold... the state of MTB is vastly different 16 years later!
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Phil, Squid-in-Training
gse said:Hello, usually a lurker but I thought this article was quite interesting to
post. I've learned much about mtn. biking just by reading your posts.
Good newsgroup. I live about 5 miles from Aliso/Woods park in So.Calif. and
ride 3 to 4 times a week. I guess were one big family...Gary
Wonder how mikeys going to spin this part:
They found that hikers and horses "have more surface contact than … the
mountain bike, so statistically, boots and hoofs cause more change,"
said coauthor and geography professor John Wilson, who now teaches at USC.
Jason
On 2005-03-22, Marc Gwadz penned:
Quoted message said:
the quotes in the article imply that 50 mile off-road mtn bike rides and
speeds of 30 mph on a mtn bike are somehow typical, while both in reality
are extreme, atypical examples.
Yup. Gotta go up to go down, in most cases. There are certainly slopes where
the trail runners pass me on my bike.
--
monique
"Get a bicycle. You will not regret it, if you live."
-- Mark Twain
Per Marc Gwadz:
Quoted message said:the quotes in the article imply that 50 mile off-road mtn bike rides and
speeds of 30 mph on a mtn bike are somehow typical, while both in
reality are extreme, atypical examples.
Even though thery're gross exaggerations, the spirit of the complaint rings true
to me.
Fast-moving bodies (or not-so-fast-moving bodies) coming at somebody without
warning (or even with warning) have got to be anathema to most hikers.
I ride the same trails as hikers and equestrians use...and I'm *really*
careful... but I still get the stink-eye from a lot of people.
IMHO, mixing MTB and hiking just doesn't work that well. OTOH, good MTB trails
and good hiking trails seem to me tb quite different.... So maybe maybe on
positive move would be for authorities to encourage more trail breaking by
organized MTB-ers....
--
PeteCresswell
Ride-A-Lot said:Seems like an anti-mtb article to me. Doesn't matter anyway. Once they
used MV's name the whole article lost all credibility.
Well it summarized the existing studies, which aren't particularly
critical of MTBing. The really innaccurate statements came from the
anti-MTBers (30mph around blind curves? 50-mile rides?). The reporter
really should have questioned the validity of those statements, but at
least they weren't passed off as expert references, just the rants of a
couple of haters.
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-BB-
To e-mail me, unmunge my address
(Pete Cresswell) said:Per Raptor:
Quoted message said:I've seen very
little trouble. Hikers yield almost universally - it's just 10X easier
to step off the trail than to stop, dismount and step/roll off the
trail. Most (slight majority) bikers utter a thanks, most hikers offer a
"hi."Around here I'd agree with the "most".... but I'd also say that the remainder
are significant - especially because they're the ones that give the authorities
the most feedback.
True enough. For the record, I always say "thanks" as I pass hikers
who've cleared the trail, and "excuse me" when they don't hear me. Well,
sometimes I don't say anything and patiently ride walking pace until
they notice me. It's not like I'm racing or anything.
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--
Lynn Wallace http://www.xmission.com/~lawall
"We should not march into Baghdad. ... Assigning young soldiers to
a fruitless hunt for a securely entrenched dictator and condemning
them to fight in what would be an unwinnable urban guerilla war, it
could only plunge that part of the world into ever greater
instability." George Bush Sr. in his 1998 book "A World Transformed"
This dude is a clueless idiot:
"The goal, Klein said, is to create trails that encourage users to move
at the same speed - like the rocky paths around Fruita, Colo., that
force bikers and hikers to slow down."
He obviously has not ridden the trails around Fruita, Colo. Another
IMBduh.
JDreaming of ripping down the Kessel Run
Per Raptor:
Quoted message said:I've seen very
little trouble. Hikers yield almost universally - it's just 10X easier
to step off the trail than to stop, dismount and step/roll off the
trail. Most (slight majority) bikers utter a thanks, most hikers offer a
"hi."
Around here I'd agree with the "most".... but I'd also say that the remainder
are significant - especially because they're the ones that give the authorities
the most feedback.
--
PeteCresswell
Raptor said:True enough. For the record, I always say "thanks" as I pass hikers
who've cleared the trail, and "excuse me" when they don't hear me. Well,
sometimes I don't say anything and patiently ride walking pace until
they notice me. It's not like I'm racing or anything.
Its always good to make a little noise, otherwise you can startle the hell
out of them by following them like that (guess how I found this out?!). I
find that flicking a brake lever works well..its quiet enough not to
startle anyone but loud enough to notice, and not as overt as a bell.
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-BB-
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BB said:I find that flicking a brake lever works well..its quiet enough not
to
Quoted message said:startle anyone but loud enough to notice, and not as overt as a bell.
I use that tactic. The Avid Ultimate levers make a pretty audible
"clack" and have come in handy on my new regular "suburban" singletrack
route.
JD
Per BB:
Quoted message said:Its always good to make a little noise, otherwise you can startle the hell
out of them by following them like that (guess how I found this out?!). I
find that flicking a brake lever works well..its quiet enough not to
startle anyone but loud enough to notice, and not as overt as a bell.
I stayed away from bells for a long time, thinking they were too aggressive.
Then one day in French Creek state park, I think I was almost responsible for
somebody's death-by-heart-attack.... Cracked all the branches, made some
gear/chain noises, scrunched the gravel.... figured they *had* to have heard
me... Nope.
Now use something called Incredi-Bell. Single-dinger. About eight bucks. You
have a lot of control in volume and duration... so you can issue a fullblown
"!DING-DING!" for somebody wearing a personal stereo, or just a muffled ".dink."
from a 20-30 feet back.
Was surprised at the reactions. Expected a lot of "SO DOES YER
MOMMA!"....never got one, and I get quite a few "thank-you"s.
I guess there's a log in how it's used....
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PeteCresswell
Quoted message said:Now use something called Incredi-Bell. Single-dinger. About eight
bucks. You have a lot of control in volume and duration... so you
can issue a fullblown "!DING-DING!" for somebody wearing a personal
stereo, or just a muffled ".dink." from a 20-30 feet back.
Yeah, baby!!! Incredi-bell brass action all the way!
http://plaza.ufl.edu/phillee/rbt/incredibell.jpg (the one on my bike)
Bells are for men!
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Phil, Squid-in-Training
Phil said:Quoted message said:Now use something called Incredi-Bell. Single-dinger. About eight
bucks. You have a lot of control in volume and duration... so you
can issue a fullblown "!DING-DING!" for somebody wearing a personal
stereo, or just a muffled ".dink." from a 20-30 feet back.Yeah, baby!!! Incredi-bell brass action all the way!
http://plaza.ufl.edu/phillee/rbt/incredibell.jpg (the one on my bike)
Bells are for men!
Check that stem faceplate for a small crack?
Bell-buster Bill
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