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  1. Quite an interesting piece in the New York Times today about the
    wearing of "protective" headgear whilst playing footie.

    Seems scientists and do-gooders are having a bit of a set-to about the
    usefulness or otherwise of new headgear, with some clubs jumping the
    gun and requiring its use anyway.

    Seems in many respects identical to the current h*lm*t debate here in
    the UK.

    Full article available here:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/27/sports/soccer/27soccer.html?oref=login&hp

    Sorry, but NYT require registration to read articles, pain in the [censored]
    I know, but I can't help that.

    (If you use FireFox as your browser, you can use the Bug Me Not
    extension to eliminate all of this website registration [censored], I
    recommend it. And if you don't use FireFox... why not, are you mad!?
    Go get it, now!)

    Here's the start of the article:

    "Most soccer players on the Santa Clara University women's team will
    enter the N.C.A.A. quarterfinals today wearing protective equipment -
    headgear - that is as controversial as it is lightweight.

    In the 15 months since FIFA, soccer's world governing body, began
    permitting its use, headgear has been worn by thousands of American
    players from youth leagues to high schools to colleges to the pros.
    The headgear gained international visibility during the 2003 Women's
    World Cup and the Athens Olympics this summer.

    This has triggered skepticism within the United States Soccer
    Federation, which contends that marketing to the fears of parents has
    trumped science regarding the effectiveness of headgear in preventing
    concussions.

    This resistance has not dissuaded some youth clubs from requiring the
    use of headgear....... "

    --

    Call me "Bob"
    Email address is spam trapped, to reply directly remove the beverage.

  2. Sod it, might as well post the full article, saves faffing about eh?
    They can sue me...

    Soccer Headgear: Does It Do Any Good?
    By JERE LONGMAN

    Published: November 27, 2004
    Associated Press

    Kevin Rivoli for The New York Times
    Patrick Fisher, product manager for Full90, modeling the headgear that
    the company sells to soccer players. The device weighs less than 2
    ounces.

    Most soccer players on the Santa Clara University women's team will
    enter the N.C.A.A. quarterfinals today wearing protective equipment -
    headgear - that is as controversial as it is lightweight.

    In the 15 months since FIFA, soccer's world governing body, began
    permitting its use, headgear has been worn by thousands of American
    players from youth leagues to high schools to colleges to the pros.
    The headgear gained international visibility during the 2003 Women's
    World Cup and the Athens Olympics this summer.

    This has triggered skepticism within the United States Soccer
    Federation, which contends that marketing to the fears of parents has
    trumped science regarding the effectiveness of headgear in preventing
    concussions.

    This resistance has not dissuaded some youth clubs from requiring the
    use of headgear.

    "I remember when baseball players didn't wear batting helmets," said
    Steve Ryan, commissioner of the Major Indoor Soccer League, which
    approves of headgear. "You see some resistance in soccer, which is
    natural. But I expect, over time, you will see it broadly accepted."

    The founder of a San Diego-based company called Full90 said he had
    sold 100,000 pieces of headgear. The headgear resembles an enlarged
    headband, weighs less than 2 ounces, and covers the forehead, temples
    and occipital bone in back of the head. The device is made of
    shock-absorbing foam situated between an outer layer of Lycra and an
    inner layer of sweat-absorbing polypropylene. Several models are
    available for $24 to $39.

    Full90 does not claim that its headgear prevents concussions. But the
    company does say the headgear can reduce, by up to 50 percent, the
    peak impact forces that occur during typical collisions when a
    player's head strikes another head, the ground, an elbow or a goal
    post.

    The headgear debate is occurring at a time when some studies indicate
    that concussions occur in soccer at a rate similar to the rate in
    football.

    There also is disagreement on whether heading the ball can cause
    concussions or long-term brain impairment. Studies have presented
    contradictory results, and the matter remains disputed as the soccer
    federation undertakes a long-term examination of head injuries.

    The resolution of these head-related issues could have far-reaching
    health and financial impacts, given that nearly 18 million people play
    soccer in the United States.

    On one side of the headgear argument is Jeff Skeen, founder of Full90.
    He said he developed the protective device after his daughter Lauren
    suffered two soccer-related concussions in high school, causing her to
    quit the sport.

    At 46, Skeen possesses the righteousness of the aggrieved parent. He
    believes his product can reduce head injuries without giving an
    illicit advantage in heading the ball.

    The soccer federation, which permits headgear but does not endorse it,
    fears that its wide use would undermine the assertion that soccer is a
    safe alternative to football, Skeen said. He likens the doubt of
    soccer officials to familiar but failed arguments once made against
    the use of bicycle helmets, automobile seat belts and soccer shin
    guards.

    "They are trying to thwart the evolution of headgear in soccer because
    they think it will scare soccer moms away from the sign-up table,"
    Skeen said of soccer federation officials. "And because they think it
    could be viewed as an admission that heading the ball itself is
    dangerous."

    Calvin Williams, founder of the Kangaroo headgear company, said he
    thought soccer officials resisted the equipment because they felt "it
    is sissified."

    Soccer federation officials disagree, saying their caution is based on
    scientific uncertainty.

    Insufficient independent evidence exists to confirm that headgear can
    reduce the risk of head injuries, they say. Doctors affiliated with
    the federation also say that headgear is being marketed primarily to
    children, who least need them because there is little incidence of
    concussions in players under the age of 12.

    Players might develop a false sense of security, relying on headgear
    instead of proper medical evaluation after suffering a concussion,
    federation doctors say. Or, they say, players might feel invincible in
    headgear and play with reckless aggressiveness, displaying behavior
    known as the Superman effect.

    Rather than headgear, federation officials advocate better technique,
    stricter rules enforcement and improved officiating to reduce the
    number of head injuries. Some also recommend mouth guards and padded
    goal posts instead of padded headgear.

    "There is no evidence headgear are going to help, and some theoretical
    stuff that it could hurt," said Dr. Gary Green, a clinical professor
    at the U.C.L.A. division of sports medicine who is on the soccer
    federation's medical advisory committee. "Why take a chance until this
    gets studied?"

    Because Full90 pays some pro players (the equivalent of $50 to $100
    per game, it says) and some state soccer associations ($4,000 to
    $10,000) to endorse its product, the soccer federation says the
    company's claims are suspect.

    "We're talking about marketing and fear and manipulation," said Dr.
    Bert Mandelbaum, team physician for the United States national teams.

    Not all medical soccer experts oppose headgear.

    Dr. J. Scott Delaney of McGill University in Montreal said laboratory
    data, not yet published, does indicate that headgear could reduce
    impact forces by 10 to 30 percent. (The soccer federation says this
    involves low-level forces that don't cause concussions.) Delaney said
    an industry standard for headgear has been drafted and could be
    instituted in May.

    In a study, published in the Clinical Journal of Sports Medicine,
    Delaney queried 328 Canadian university football players and 201
    university soccer players as they reported to fall training camp in
    1999. He found that 70.4 percent of the football players and 62.7
    percent of the soccer players had experienced symptoms of a concussion
    in the previous year.

    "We've shown concussions are a problem, and in the lab these things
    work," Delaney said of headgear. "What else do you need? Why wouldn't
    you start protecting people?"

    Studies involving large numbers of players can occur only after
    headgear is used widely, said Delaney, who is team physician for the
    McGill soccer team and the Montreal Alouettes of the Canadian Football
    League.

    The concern over concussions, and whether headgear can protect against
    them, is a growing issue for youth soccer associations. In September,
    the New York State West Youth Soccer Association, which governs more
    than 200 clubs and 80,000 youths in the Buffalo-Rochester area, voted
    to require headgear for all players under 14.

    The association later retreated over concerns about liability and
    protests from some coaches and officials. Several coaches interviewed
    in Rochester wondered why headgear were proposed for young children
    and not for older teenagers, who are more likely to get concussions.

    Others said risk was inherent in any sport.

    "Where are you going to draw the line? Make everyone wear knee
    braces?" said Tom Maines, who coaches an under-10 boys team in
    Brockport, N.Y.

    Some players resist headgear on aesthetic grounds.

    "It looks goofy," said Brittany Myles, 13, of Syracuse.

    Ross Paule, a midfielder for the Columbus Crew of Major League Soccer,
    wore Full90 headgear for a dozen games in the recently completed
    season, seeking some security after suffering three earlier
    concussions.

    "I'm on the fence," said Paule, who was not paid to endorse the
    headgear. "I don't agree it should be mandated. If something makes you
    comfortable, why not?" He added: "I can't tell you if it was a huge
    help. When I got hit one time, maybe it gave me a little extra
    cushion."

    Any club or association that makes headgear compulsory risks losing
    its affiliation with the United States Soccer Federation, Dr. S.
    Robert Contiguglia, its president, said.

    But that threat is either unknown or ignored by the Temecula Valley
    Soccer Association in Southern California, which for three seasons has
    required headgear for players under 8. Peter Schilperoort, president
    of the association, said headgear prevented bumps and cuts previously
    suffered by his players, calling the equipment "the best thing since
    sliced bread."

    The De Anza Force soccer club of Cupertino, Calif., will require
    headgear for players under 17 beginning in March, said Tom Pridham, a
    club official. Both the Temecula and De Anza clubs are sponsored by
    Full90.

    Jerry Smith, coach of the Santa Clara women's team, which received
    free headgear from Full90, said the equipment made his players more
    confident in challenging balls in the air, and more assertive, but not
    overly so.

    Anson Dorrance, who has coached the women's team at North Carolina to
    18 national championships, said compulsory use of shin guards had not
    changed the nature of soccer, as many feared. He predicted that
    headgear would not, either.

    "I'd challenge any of these doctors who feel this has no value to run
    into the goal post without a Full90 and with it, then tell me, if they
    were forced to do it a third time, whether or not they would wear it,"
    said Dorrance, whose team is also sponsored by Full90.

    Several players, including Joy Fawcett of the United States women's
    national team, who endorses Full90, discounted the so-called the
    Superman effect, saying the headgear did not make players dangerously
    aggressive.

    "It's like a flag that reminds you not to go up for stupid plays,"
    said Jill Conaboy, a defender at Downingtown West High in suburban
    Philadelphia, who wore headgear last weekend as her team won the
    Pennsylvania Class AAA state championship.

    Kathy Conaboy, Jill's mother, said she held no illusion that her
    daughter, who has suffered two concussions, would never be hurt again
    while wearing headgear. What she hopes, she said, is that a blow that
    might have caused a third concussion will result in only a bruise.

    "A seat belt is not going to save a life in a 90-mile-per-hour crash
    into a wall," Kathy Conaboy said. "A 30-mile-per-hour crash, a fender
    bender, it helps. I'm looking at this as a seat belt."

    --

    Call me "Bob"

    Email address is spam trapped, to reply directly remove the beverage.

  3. Quoted message said:

    Soccer Headgear: Does It Do Any Good?

    LMFAO!

    <googles>

    My God, they're serious..

  4. Call me Bob said:

    There also is disagreement on whether heading the ball can cause
    concussions or long-term brain impairment. Studies have presented
    contradictory results, and the matter remains disputed as the soccer
    federation undertakes a long-term examination of head injuries.

    Fantastic!

    Soon we'll have Giro sponsoring Wayne Rooney to wear the *Predator
    Helmet* and a hefty bonus for any *Power Header* into the back of the
    net - all in the name of safety.

  5. "Call me Bob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Quite an interesting piece in the New York Times today about the
    wearing of "protective" headgear whilst playing footie.

    How is one supposed to head the ball properly with a plastic hat on?

    --
    Simon M.

  6. "Call me Bob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    I thought this bit was amusing:

    Quoted message said:

    The headgear debate is occurring at a time when some studies indicate
    that concussions occur in soccer at a rate similar to the rate in
    football.

    cheers,
    clive

  7. Clive George said:

    "Call me Bob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    I thought this bit was amusing:

    Quoted message said:

    The headgear debate is occurring at a time when some studies indicate
    that concussions occur in soccer at a rate similar to the rate in
    football.


    Not forgetting that in (american) football they wear massive hard shell
    helmets, faceguards and neck supports and in soccer they ....errr...don't.

    Tony

  8. On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 13:21:14 -0000, "Simon Mason"
    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:

    How is one supposed to head the ball properly with a plastic hat on?

    You can't possibly do that, you might suffer irreparable brain injury.

    US soccer is now played in cars, I think, with the drivers
    bubble-wrapped.

    Guy
    --
    May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
    http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

    88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University

  9. "Simon Mason" wrote...

    Quoted message said:

    How is one supposed to head the ball properly with a plastic hat on?

    --
    Simon M.

    A number of youth (pre-teen) soccer programs in the US frown on letting
    young children head the ball, citing the risk of damage to developing head
    and neck bones. Of course this would eliminate the need for protective
    headgear, wouldn't it?
    --
    mark

  10. mark said:

    A number of youth (pre-teen) soccer programs in the US frown on letting
    young children head the ball, citing the risk of damage to developing head
    and neck bones. Of course this would eliminate the need for protective
    headgear, wouldn't it?

    People do occasionally break their neck and die by heading balls. In
    these cases it's probably a congenital weakness that was never spotted,
    and a helmet certainly wouldn't help.

  11. mark said:

    "Simon Mason" wrote...

    Quoted message said:

    How is one supposed to head the ball properly with a plastic hat on?

    --
    Simon M.

    A number of youth (pre-teen) soccer programs in the US frown on letting
    young children head the ball, citing the risk of damage to developing head
    and neck bones. Of course this would eliminate the need for protective
    headgear, wouldn't it?

    I guess next it will be no kicking the ball in case they damage
    developing leg and foot bones.

    Tony

  12. On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 18:27:38 +0000, Tony Raven <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    A number of youth (pre-teen) soccer programs in the US frown on letting
    young children head the ball, citing the risk of damage to developing head
    and neck bones. Of course this would eliminate the need for protective
    headgear, wouldn't it?

    I guess next it will be no kicking the ball in case they damage
    developing leg and foot bones.

    Yep, probably best all round if the kids just stay indoors and play
    football etc on video consoles.

    --

    Call me "Bob"

    "More oneness, less categories,
    Open hearts, no strategies"

    Email address is spam trapped, to reply directly remove the beverage.

  13. mark said:

    "Simon Mason" wrote...

    Quoted message said:

    How is one supposed to head the ball properly with a plastic hat on?

    --
    Simon M.

    A number of youth (pre-teen) soccer programs in the US frown on letting
    young children head the ball, citing the risk of damage to developing head
    and neck bones. Of course this would eliminate the need for protective
    headgear, wouldn't it?

    It would, and developing the underlying rationale would suggest that as
    soon as possible soccer should only be played by children as a video
    game, just as much fun but with no risk of any physical contact. Some
    people will not like this, but you cannot take chances with children's
    safety: even if this ends up killing the lardy-arsed, bone-idle,
    molly-coddled hyper-tensive couch-slugs.

    --
    Joe * If I cannot be free I'll be cheap

  14. JLB said:


    It would, and developing the underlying rationale would suggest that as
    soon as possible soccer should only be played by children as a video
    game, just as much fun but with no risk of any physical contact.

    Absolutely unacceptable. Video game controllers are well known to cause
    thumb joint problems. Ban them and make sure the little darlings do not
    move. Its for their own good.

    Tony

  15. Zog The Undeniable said:
    mark said:

    A number of youth (pre-teen) soccer programs in the US frown
    on letting young children head the ball, citing the risk of
    damage to developing head and neck bones. Of course this
    would eliminate the need for protective headgear, wouldn't it?

    People do occasionally break their neck and die by heading
    balls. In these cases it's probably a congenital weakness
    that was never spotted, and a helmet certainly wouldn't help.

    What they need is a HANS device like they have in F1.

    Picture it.. US sport in 20 years time: Everyone wearing full body armour -
    just in case.

    --
    Mark

    1x1 wheel, 3x2 wheels & 1x3 wheels.

  16. "Call me Bob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Quite an interesting piece in the New York Times today about the
    wearing of "protective" headgear whilst playing footie.

    Maybe Kevlar jackets should be worn by the moms and dads so if a debate on
    the rights and wrongs of whose offspring did what should get out of hand and
    the right to bear arms rule is invoked.........

    Pete

  17. Gonzalez <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    Call me Bob said:

    There also is disagreement on whether heading the ball can cause
    concussions or long-term brain impairment. Studies have presented
    contradictory results, and the matter remains disputed as the soccer
    federation undertakes a long-term examination of head injuries.

    Fantastic!

    Soon we'll have Giro sponsoring Wayne Rooney to wear the *Predator
    Helmet* and a hefty bonus for any *Power Header* into the back of the
    net - all in the name of safety.

    <Fast Show>

    Small boys in the park, helmets for goalposts. Putting dog's muck in
    your best friend's helmet and then making him put it on? Enduring
    image....enduring smell. Hmm, you know, isn't it? Marvellous.

    </Fast Show>

    David E. Belcher

  18. Call me Bob said:

    Quite an interesting piece in the New York Times today about the
    wearing of "protective" headgear whilst playing footie.

    Seems scientists and do-gooders are having a bit of a set-to about the
    usefulness or otherwise of new headgear, with some clubs jumping the
    gun and requiring its use anyway.

    While looking for something else I also discovered this proposal:

    http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/108/2/382
    "The Effectiveness of a Home Visit to Prevent Childhood Injury"

    Injuries are the leading cause of death in childhood and a significant
    cause of morbidity.1,2 Although the home should be a haven of safety,
    for children <15 years old, and especially for preschoolers, this
    setting represents the most frequent site of injury occurrence.2,3 Among
    the most serious of potential hazards are falls, suffocation, burns, and
    poisoning.4-8 Such injuries are numerous, not only because of increased
    exposure, but also because young children's rapid physical development
    surpasses their ability to recognize and avoid potential dangers in
    their environment.9 As many injuries sustained by children in the home
    are related to a lack of appropriate safety measures,10-13 prevention
    efforts directed toward the reduction of household hazards should be
    implemented and evaluated.

    Its the way we're heading.

    Tony

  19. Tony Raven said:

    While looking for something else I also discovered this proposal:

    http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/108/2/382
    "The Effectiveness of a Home Visit to Prevent Childhood Injury"

    Injuries are the leading cause of death in childhood and a significant
    cause of morbidity.1,2 Although the home should be a haven of safety,
    for children <15 years old, and especially for preschoolers, this
    setting represents the most frequent site of injury occurrence.2,3 Among
    the most serious of potential hazards are falls, suffocation, burns, and
    poisoning.4-8 Such injuries are numerous, not only because of increased
    exposure, but also because young children's rapid physical development
    surpasses their ability to recognize and avoid potential dangers in
    their environment.9 As many injuries sustained by children in the home
    are related to a lack of appropriate safety measures,10-13 prevention
    efforts directed toward the reduction of household hazards should be
    implemented and evaluated.

    Its the way we're heading.

    Sure is, and here's circumstantial evidence

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1361701,00.html

    --
    Joe * If I cannot be free I'll be cheap

  20. Tony Raven said:

    mark wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    A number of youth (pre-teen) soccer programs in the US frown on letting
    young children head the ball, citing the risk of damage to developing head
    and neck bones. Of course this would eliminate the need for protective
    headgear, wouldn't it?

    Quoted message said:

    I guess next it will be no kicking the ball in case they damage
    developing leg and foot bones.

    When I was 8, and had learned joined up writing in a Scottish school,
    I was sent to an English school. I was stopped from doing joined up
    writing on the grounds that at that age it damaged the developing
    bones of hand and wrist, a fact which the backward Scots hadn't caught
    up with.
    --
    Chris Malcolm [email hidden] +44 (0)131 651 3445 DoD #205
    IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
    [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

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