Interesting Euro Developments

In article <[email hidden]>, chris

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OK, so everyone is going to post about the coke found in El Chaba's room. Definately, that'll
cause a heart attack, so it all makes sense. However, I want to talk about this:

"New CSC signing Michele Bartoli has sustained a minor fracture of his left arm in a fall while
training at the team's camp in Lanzarote. Bartoli fell while training in the gym and complained of
discomfort when he set out for the day's training ride."

Man, I fell down my stairs carrying a TV and just sprained my ankle (well I assume its not broken
because I'm walking on it), but Bartoli fell in the gym? That must have been one big fall! Reminds
me of when Boogerd fell on the ice a few years back and broke his wrist. I still find it hard to
believe their bones could be this brittle.

Remember that it could be a crack of something that never healed right from a previous injury and
around a gym there are some hard, sharp corners around the weight racks and if a person landed on a
plate or something, well... Besides why was he in a gym anyway? Hasn't he considered the "expert"
opinions in RBR?

-WG

I'm sure Bartoli get's his fill of vicious infighting and name calling with the Squadra Azzuri

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In article <[email hidden]>, chris

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OK, so everyone is going to post about the coke found in El Chaba's room. Definately, that'll
cause a heart attack, so it all makes sense. However, I want to talk about this:

"New CSC signing Michele Bartoli has sustained a minor fracture of his left arm in a fall while
training at the team's camp in Lanzarote. Bartoli fell while training in the gym and complained
of discomfort when he set out for the day's training ride."

Man, I fell down my stairs carrying a TV and just sprained my ankle (well I assume its not
broken because I'm walking on it), but Bartoli fell in the gym? That must have been one big
fall! Reminds me of when Boogerd fell on the ice a few years back and broke his wrist. I still
find it hard to believe their bones could be this brittle.

Remember that it could be a crack of something that never healed right from a previous injury and
around a gym there are some hard, sharp corners around the weight racks and if a person landed on
a plate or something, well... Besides why was he in a gym anyway? Hasn't he considered the
"expert" opinions in RBR?

-WG

well, these euro-pros are skinny as hell and probably never do more weight-lifting than moving a
bidon to their lips, so their bones are probably not as robust as "normal" people. hell, look at how
many times cadel evans broke his collarbone in one season!

i know of people that have tripped while walking and ended up shattering an ankle and needing the
joint fused. while that's an extreme case, the point is that often it's not how far you fall, but
how you land.

"w.a. manning" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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well, these euro-pros are skinny as hell and probably never do more weight-lifting than moving a
bidon to their lips, so their bones are probably not as robust as "normal" people. hell, look at
how many times cadel evans broke his collarbone in one season!

i know of people that have tripped while walking and ended up shattering an ankle and needing the
joint fused. while that's an extreme case, the point is that often it's not how far you fall, but
how you land.

Weight training strengthens the bones, long term OVERUSE of HGH, can make them very brittle Dave

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Dave said:

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well, these euro-pros are skinny as hell and probably never do more weight-lifting than moving a
bidon to their lips, so their bones are probably not as robust as "normal" people. hell, look at
how many times cadel evans broke his collarbone in one season!

i know of people that have tripped while walking and ended up shattering an ankle and needing
the joint fused. while that's an extreme case, the point is that often it's not how far you
fall, but how you land.

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Weight training strengthens the bones, long term OVERUSE of HGH, can make them very brittle Dave

Well, there's a nice, fairly random accusation for you.

Need I point out that besides the fact that they do no weight training, and otherwise consider bone
density an enemy, the pros tend to crash much harder than normal humans, even amateur racers? Their
speeds are higher, their packs are bigger, and they're trying harder. When things go pear-shaped,
they break more stuff more easily, including those precious bones.

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Ryan Cousineau, [email hidden] sfu.ca~rcousineOpen ↗ President, Fabrizio Mazzoleni Fan Club

Ryan Cousineau said:

Need I point out that besides the fact that they do no weight training, and otherwise consider
bone density an enemy, the pros tend to crash much harder than normal humans, even amateur racers?
Their speeds are higher, their packs are bigger, and they're trying harder. When things go pear-
shaped, they break more stuff more easily, including those precious bones.

How hard do you think Bartoli hit the ground in the gym?

In article <[email hidden]>, Kyle

Legate said:

Ryan Cousineau said:

Need I point out that besides the fact that they do no weight training, and otherwise consider
bone density an enemy, the pros tend to crash much harder than normal humans, even amateur
racers? Their speeds are higher, their packs are bigger, and they're trying harder. When things
go pear-shaped, they break more stuff more easily, including those precious bones.

How hard do you think Bartoli hit the ground in the gym?

It should be no surprise that somebody cracked a bone by falling on a hard floor or landing on
something hard. There's no need to try to infer something sinister.

-WG

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In article <[email hidden]>, Kyle Legate

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Ryan Cousineau said:

Need I point out that besides the fact that they do no weight training, and otherwise consider
bone density an enemy, the pros tend to crash much harder than normal humans, even amateur
racers? Their speeds are higher, their packs are bigger, and they're trying harder. When
things go pear-shaped, they break more stuff more easily, including those precious bones.

How hard do you think Bartoli hit the ground in the gym?

It should be no surprise that somebody cracked a bone by falling on a hard floor or landing on
something hard. There's no need to try to infer something sinister.

-WG

I am only stating the obvious, it is well know that the euro peloton uses HGH to aid in their
recovery (regardless of what facts about it's ability to do so have been discussed in RBR) It is non
detectable and widely abused in sport. Dave

[email hidden] (w.a. manning) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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well, these euro-pros are skinny as hell and probably never do more weight-lifting than moving a
bidon to their lips, so their bones are probably not as robust as "normal" people. hell, look at
how many times cadel evans broke his collarbone in one season!

Hey, a friend of mine was picking his nose will reading RBR on the computer and fell off his chair,
hit his head and then his head exploded. ALWAYS wear a helmet!!!!

JT

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Forrest Tomlinson said:

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well, these euro-pros are skinny as hell and probably never do more weight-lifting than moving a
bidon to their lips, so their bones are probably not as robust as "normal" people. hell, look at
how many times cadel evans broke his collarbone in one season!

Hey, a friend of mine was picking his nose will reading RBR on the computer and fell off his
chair, hit his head and then his head exploded. ALWAYS wear a helmet!!!!

A "friend" ? Sure JT. Hope you feel better soon.

-WG

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In article <[email hidden]>, Kyle Legate

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Ryan Cousineau said:

Need I point out that besides the fact that they do no weight training, and otherwise consider
bone density an enemy, the pros tend to crash much harder than normal humans, even amateur
racers? Their speeds are higher, their packs are bigger, and they're trying harder. When
things go pear-shaped, they break more stuff more easily, including those precious bones.

How hard do you think Bartoli hit the ground in the gym?

It should be no surprise that somebody cracked a bone by falling on a hard floor or landing on
something hard. There's no need to try to infer something sinister.

I wasn't inferring anything more sinister than Bartoli seems to be strangely clumsy in the gym. I
suggest that he refrain from changing any lightbulbs.

Kyle Legate said:

"warren" <[email hidden]> wrote

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There's no need to try to
infer something sinister.

I wasn't inferring anything more sinister than Bartoli seems to be strangely clumsy in the gym. I
suggest that he refrain from changing any lightbulbs.

You making a joke about the number of Italians it takes to change a lightbulb?

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Kyle Legate said:

"warren" <[email hidden]> wrote

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There's no need to try to
infer something sinister.

I wasn't inferring anything more sinister than Bartoli seems to be strangely clumsy in the gym.
I suggest that he refrain from changing any lightbulbs.

You making a joke about the number of Italians it takes to change a lightbulb?

I was thinking along the lines of either Jalabert or Museeuw who injured himself when he fell off a
ladder a few years ago.

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Kyle Legate said:

"warren" <[email hidden]> wrote
> There's no need to try to infer something sinister.
>
I wasn't inferring anything more sinister than Bartoli seems to be strangely clumsy in the gym.
I suggest that he refrain from changing any lightbulbs.

You making a joke about the number of Italians it takes to change a lightbulb?

I was thinking along the lines of either Jalabert or Museeuw who injured himself when he fell off
a ladder a few years ago.

You making a joke about the number of Mazametains it takes to change a lightbulb?

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Carl Sundquist said:

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Kyle Legate wrote:
> "warren" <[email hidden]> wrote
>> There's no need to try to infer something sinister.
>>
> I wasn't inferring anything more sinister than Bartoli seems to be strangely clumsy in the
> gym. I suggest that he refrain from changing any lightbulbs.

You making a joke about the number of Italians it takes to change a lightbulb?

I was thinking along the lines of either Jalabert or Museeuw who injured himself when he fell
off a ladder a few years ago.

You making a joke about the number of Mazametains it takes to change a lightbulb?

As if I needed a reason?

Robert Chung said:

Kyle Legate said:

"warren" <[email hidden]> wrote

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There's no need to try to infer something sinister.

I wasn't inferring anything more sinister than Bartoli seems to be strangely clumsy in the gym. I
suggest that he refrain from changing any lightbulbs.

You making a joke about the number of Italians it takes to change a lightbulb?

Why, do you know one?

I was referring to Jalabert's altercation with a lightbulb a couple of years ago.