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  1. Mortgaged to the House of Saud

    By Robert Scheer, Los Angeles Times

    THE ONLY EVIDENCE you need that President Bush is losing the "war on
    terror" is this: On Sunday, the foreign minister of Saudi Arabia said
    that relations with the United States "couldn't be better."

    Tell that to the parents of those who have died in two wars defending
    this corrupt spawning ground of violent extremism. Never mind the ugly
    facts: We are deeply entwined with Saudi Arabia even though it shares
    none of our values and supports our enemies.

    Yet on Friday, Bush's father and Vice President [censored] Cheney made
    another in a long line of obsequious American pilgrimages to Riyadh to
    assure the Saudis that we continue to be grateful for the punishment
    they dish out.

    "The relationship has tremendously improved with the United States,"
    Saudi Foreign Minister Saud al Faisal told a news conference in Riyadh.
    "With the government, of course, it is very harmonious, as it ever was.
    Whether it has returned to the same level as it was before in terms of
    public opinion [in both countries], that is debatable."

    Well, score one for public opinion. It makes sense to distrust the
    mercenary and distasteful alliance between the U.S. and Saudi Arabia.
    We protect the repressive kingdom that spawned Osama bin Laden, and
    most of the 9/11 hijackers, in exchange for the Saudis keeping our
    fecklessly oil-addicted country lubricated.

    Yes, it has stuck deep in the craw of many of us Americans that after
    9/11, Washington squandered global goodwill and a huge percentage of
    our resources invading a country that had nothing to do with Al Qaeda,
    while continuing to pander to this dysfunctional dynasty. After all,
    Saudi Arabia is believed to have paid Bin Laden's murderous gang
    millions in protection money in the years before 9/11, and it lavishly
    funds extremist religious schools throughout the region that preach and
    teach anti-Western jihad.

    "Al Qaeda found fertile fundraising ground in the kingdom," noted the
    9/11 commission report in one of its many careful understatements. The
    fact is, without Saudi Arabia, there would be no Al Qaeda today.

    Our president loves to use the word "evil" in his speeches, yet
    throughout his life he and his family have had deep personal, political
    and financial ties with a country that represents everything the
    American Revolution stood against: tyranny, religious intolerance,
    corrupt royalty and popular ignorance. This is a country where women
    aren't allowed to drive and those who show "too much skin" can be
    beaten in the street by officially sanctioned mobs of fanatics. A
    medieval land where newspapers routinely publish the most outlandish
    anti-Semitic rants. A place where executions are held in public,
    torture is the norm in prison and the most extreme and expansionist
    version of Islam is the state religion.

    It's hard to see how Saddam Hussein's brutal and secular Iraq was worse
    than the brutal theocracy run by the House of Saud. Yet one nation we
    raze and the other we fete. Is it any wonder that much of the world
    sees the United States as the planet's biggest hypocrite?

    As insider books by former White House terrorism advisor Richard
    Clarke, journalist Bob Woodward and others have recounted, punishing
    Saudi Arabia in any way for its long ideological and financial support
    of terrorism was not even on the table in the days after 9/11. Instead,
    within hours of the planes hitting the towers, the powerful
    neoconservatives in the White House rushed to use the tragedy as an
    excuse for a long-dreamed invasion of Iraq.

    Meanwhile, after two wars to make the Middle East safe for the Saudis,
    wars that cost hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars and thousands
    of American lives, the price of oil is soaring - up 42% from just a
    year ago. Good thing we just passed a pork-laden energy bill that will
    do little to nothing to ease our crushing - and rising - dependence
    on imported oil. Federal officials project that by 2025, the U.S. will
    have to import 68% of its oil to meet demand, up from 58% today.

    There are those who argue that the best rationale for invading Iraq was
    to ease our dependence on Saudi Arabia's massive oil fields, which
    might allow for a more rational or moral relationship. Yet the dark
    irony is that with Iraq in chaos and its oil flow limited by insurgent
    attacks and a bungled reconstruction, Saudi Arabia is now more
    important to the United States than ever.

    It's scary, but these gaping contradictions don't seem to trouble our
    president a whit.

    As the drumbeat of devastating terrorist attacks in Baghdad, London and
    elsewhere continue, Bush prattles on - five times in a speech last
    Wednesday - about his pyrrhic victories in the "war on terror." This
    is a sorry rhetorical device that disguises the fact that the forces of
    Islamic fanaticism in Saudi Arabia and elsewhere in the world are
    stronger than ever.

    Reprinted from The Los Angeles Times:
    http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-scheer9aug09,0,3079443.column

  2. Interesting. I think it would also have been useful to give more
    details about the Saudi Wahhibite religion and how much the Saudis hated
    Saddam Hussein and his egotistical secular version of Islam.

    I get quite astonished, in a sickening way, that people aren't more
    aware of this.

    Dally

  3. "Dally" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    Interesting. I think it would also have been useful to give more details
    about the Saudi Wahhibite religion and how much the Saudis hated Saddam
    Hussein and his egotistical secular version of Islam.

    I get quite astonished, in a sickening way, that people aren't more aware
    of this.

    Dally

    What, Dally, you're not aware of the Saudi hatred of Hussein's "egotistical
    secular version of Islam" (jesus, you are a pretentious kid)? That only
    betrays your own ignorance you IQ-challenged troglodyte. Why are you
    assuming that just because YOU don't know, that that means anything
    important. I get "quite astonished, in a sickening way," that you weren't
    more aware of this. The Saudi view has been well known for years and I find
    it shocking, just shocking, that you didn't know.

    Right back at ya baby!

  4. Mack said:

    What, Dally, you're not aware of the Saudi hatred of Hussein's "egotistical
    secular version of Islam" (jesus, you are a pretentious kid)? That only
    betrays your own ignorance you IQ-challenged troglodyte. Why are you
    assuming that just because YOU don't know, that that means anything
    important. I get "quite astonished, in a sickening way," that you weren't
    more aware of this. The Saudi view has been well known for years and I find
    it shocking, just shocking, that you didn't know.

    Right back at ya baby!

    Feel better now?

    Dally

  5. Mack said:

    What, Dally, you're not aware of the Saudi hatred of Hussein's "egotistical
    secular version of Islam" (jesus, you are a pretentious kid)? That only
    betrays your own ignorance you IQ-challenged troglodyte. Why are you
    assuming that just because YOU don't know, that that means anything
    important. I get "quite astonished, in a sickening way," that you weren't
    more aware of this. The Saudi view has been well known for years and I find
    it shocking, just shocking, that you didn't know.

    Right back at ya baby!

    Feel better now?

    Dally

  6. Quoted message said:

    Mortgaged to the House of Saud

    Quoted message said:

    By Robert Scheer, Los Angeles Times

    Quoted message said:

    Yes, it has stuck deep in the craw of many of us Americans that after
    9/11, Washington squandered global goodwill and a huge percentage of
    our resources invading a country that had nothing to do with Al Qaeda,
    while continuing to pander to this dysfunctional dynasty. After all,
    Saudi Arabia is believed to have paid Bin Laden's murderous gang
    millions in protection money in the years before 9/11, and it lavishly
    funds extremist religious schools throughout the region that preach and
    teach anti-Western jihad.

    "Al Qaeda found fertile fundraising ground in the kingdom," noted the
    9/11 commission report in one of its many careful understatements. The
    fact is, without Saudi Arabia, there would be no Al Qaeda today.

    Quoted message said:

    Our president loves to use the word "evil" in his speeches, yet
    throughout his life he and his family have had deep personal, political
    and financial ties with a country that represents everything the
    American Revolution stood against: tyranny, religious intolerance,
    corrupt royalty and popular ignorance. This is a country where women
    aren't allowed to drive and those who show "too much skin" can be
    beaten in the street by officially sanctioned mobs of fanatics.

    The bu$h regime is just as un-American as the Saudis.
    Problem is that bu$h's supporters are controlled by ignorance,
    fear, and hate. They know very little about the history
    and destructive policies of his crimial, incompetent, and
    treasonous regime.

    Quoted message said:

    Reprinted from The Los Angeles Times:

    http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-scheer9aug09,0,3079443.column

    --

    http://www.commondreams.org/
    http://www.truthout.org/
    http://www.prohibitioncosts.org/
    http://thirdworldtraveler.com/
    http://counterpunch.org/
    http://responsiblewealth.org/
    http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/pol/80315675.html

    In September and October 2003, McClellan said he had spoken
    directly with Rove about the matter and that "he was not
    involved" in leaking Plame's identity to the news media.
    McClellan said at the time: "The president knows that Karl
    Rove wasn't involved," "It was a ridiculous suggestion"
    and "It's not true."
    Yet another in the endless stirng of bu$h's lies.

    "We argued, as did the security services in this country,
    that the attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq would increase the
    threat of terrorist attack in Britain. Tragically Londoners
    have now paid the price of the Government ignoring such
    warnings." Respect MP George Galloway 7-7-05

    "They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
    there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
    take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
    who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
    warfare or morality."
    -bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq.
    http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm

    "Brutal and sadistic? By what girly-man standards? Compared
    to how Saddam treated his prisoners, a bit of humiliation was
    a walk in the park. AFAIK, No one died or even lost any blood."
    -Albert Nurick, a usenet kook and blatant liar, on the rape,
    torture and murder at bu$h's Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.
    http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0512-10.htm

    "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
    that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.

    "God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them. And then
    he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did."
    -- George W. Bush

    "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the
    will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the
    Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
    -- Adolf [censored]

    "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
    or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
    not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
    to the American public."
    -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)

    Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
    friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...

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