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  1. I thought this article was interesting, though somewhat too negative on
    surgical intervention:

    medscape.com465705 print

    or

    medscape.com465705

    Here are some of the conclusions:

    In light of current knowledge, what principles can be applied to management of chronic coronary
    artery disease?

    1.. Given the ubiquitous nature of CAD in the United States, assume that CAD is present,
    even in asymptomatic patients.

    2.. A negative exercise test does not rule out CAD. Advanced CAD is often present even in
    the setting of a negative exercise test. Paradoxically, coronary lesions not detectable on
    exercise testing are often the most vulnerable to plaque rupture and therefore the most
    likely to cause coronary events.

    3.. A normal coronary angiogram does not rule out CAD. Significant CAD that does not
    encroach on the coronary lumen or which may be uniformly distributed throughout the
    coronary tree may not be discernible on coronary angiography.

    4.. The primary goal in CAD treatment is the prevention of acute coronary events, myocardial
    infarction, and sudden cardiac death.

    5.. The best way of achieving this goal is an aggressive approach to risk-factor
    modification in all individuals. This should include a comprehensive program of exercise,
    nutritional counseling, appropriate vitamin supplements, and appropriate pharmacologic
    interventions. Implantable defibrillators are of proven value in a select patient
    population at risk for life-threatening arrhythmias.

    6.. Pharmacologic interventions will include aggressive lipid-modifying treatment and
    antihypertensive therapy. The ACE inhibitors ramipril and perinodopril have been shown to
    have important vascular stabilizing effects.[17,18] Patients with left ventricular
    systolic dysfunciton and those post myocardial infarction will benefit from treatment with
    an ACE inhibitor and beta blocker.

    7.. Patients with evidence of myocardial ischemia should be given the benefit of a maximal
    medical regimen including aspirin, clopidogrel, ?-blockers, nitrates, statins, and calcium
    channel blockers.

    8.. Patients who have undergone revascularization procedures should continue to receive
    maximal risk-factor and lifestyle interventions.

    Bill

  2. I was really impressed with this article, and for the first time was relieved to see a published
    article (Heart Dis 5(6):365-367, 2003. © 2003 Lippincott Williams & Wilkins) discuss the weaknesses
    of mainstream atherosclerosis management. Essentially, current cardiology practice falls short in
    early diagnosis of atherosclerosis, although few cardiologists will admit it. Interventional
    techniques, sometimes lifesaving, do not adequately address the actual disease itself and do little
    for long term survival. What is a person to do who wants to adequately manage atherosclerosis before
    complications occur?

    Utility of annual carotid intima media thickness (CIMT) evaluations cannot be overemphasized,
    especially considering how much is known about the origin and progression of "hardening of the
    arteries". Endorsed by the American Heart Association, no other test can precisely and safely
    measure the progression and regression of atherosclerosis like CIMT. CIMT evaluations provide a
    solid foundation for individualization of atherosclerosis management. Without a precise measurement
    of atherosclerosis, you are left with guesswork; what should your treatment goals be? How aggressive
    in traditional risk factor management should you be? What level of treatment cost and complication
    rate should you endure? How do you know if your treatment program is working to reverse the
    atherosclerosis you currently have?

    Just within the past few years, there has been a paradigm shift in our understanding of
    atherosclerosis. We now know basic fundamental pathways that initiate and promote atherosclerosis.
    These pathways form the basis of treatment programs. Atherosclerosis is reversible with proper
    therapy. Atherosclerosis treatment programs vary in intensity and can be individualized according to
    CIMT values and adjusted accordingly.

    I am also impressed as to the many treatment options available without a prescription for secondary
    and tertiary prevention of atherosclerosis. With proper guidance, most individuals can navigate the
    difficult waters of choosing proper botanicals and supplements for successful treatment of
    atherosclerosis. Occasionally prescription medication is necessary and can augment a non-
    prescription program.

    This article should be posted at the doorstep of every cardiac cath lab from coast to coast.

    Archived on SonoScore's website. Attached File ( Number of downloads: 0 )
    Perspectives_Chronic_Coronary_Artery_Disease.pdf

    --------------------
    Patrick Blanchard, M.D. Board Certified in Family Medicine
    --
    SonoScore Winnning against heart attack and stroke sonoscore.comsonoscore.com

  3. Agree that early detection and intervention is the way to go. Frankly don't know enough about CIMT,
    but besides lipid profile CRP testing, exercise recovery heart rate, resting heart rate, Hba1c,
    fasting plasma glucose, blood pressure, body mass index and distribution of body fat, and family
    history should be assessed to get an accurate CAD risk profile.

    "Patrick Blanchard MD" <blanchard@sonoscore_nospam.com> wrote in message news:<JdSdnbzyWIXyfnKiU-
    [email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    I was really impressed with this article, and for the first time was relieved to see a published
    article (Heart Dis 5(6):365-367, 2003. © 2003 Lippincott Williams & Wilkins) discuss the
    weaknesses of mainstream atherosclerosis management. Essentially, current cardiology practice
    falls short in early diagnosis of atherosclerosis, although few cardiologists will admit it.
    Interventional techniques, sometimes lifesaving, do not adequately address the actual disease
    itself and do little for long term survival. What is a person to do who wants to adequately manage
    atherosclerosis before complications occur?

    Utility of annual carotid intima media thickness (CIMT) evaluations cannot be overemphasized,
    especially considering how much is known about the origin and progression of "hardening of the
    arteries". Endorsed by the American Heart Association, no other test can precisely and safely
    measure the progression and regression of atherosclerosis like CIMT. CIMT evaluations provide a
    solid foundation for individualization of atherosclerosis management. Without a precise
    measurement of atherosclerosis, you are left with guesswork; what should your treatment goals be?
    How aggressive in traditional risk factor management should you be? What level of treatment cost
    and complication rate should you endure? How do you know if your treatment program is working to
    reverse the atherosclerosis you currently have?

    Just within the past few years, there has been a paradigm shift in our understanding of
    atherosclerosis. We now know basic fundamental pathways that initiate and promote atherosclerosis.
    These pathways form the basis of treatment programs. Atherosclerosis is reversible with proper
    therapy. Atherosclerosis treatment programs vary in intensity and can be individualized according
    to CIMT values and adjusted accordingly.

    I am also impressed as to the many treatment options available without a prescription for
    secondary and tertiary prevention of atherosclerosis. With proper guidance, most individuals can
    navigate the difficult waters of choosing proper botanicals and supplements for successful
    treatment of atherosclerosis. Occasionally prescription medication is necessary and can augment a
    non-prescription program.

    This article should be posted at the doorstep of every cardiac cath lab from coast to coast.

    Archived on SonoScore's website. Attached File ( Number of downloads: 0 )
    Perspectives_Chronic_Coronary_Artery_Disease.pdf

    --------------------
    Patrick Blanchard, M.D. Board Certified in Family Medicine

  4. "Patrick Blanchard MD" <blanchard@sonoscore_nospam.com> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    I was really impressed with this article, and for the first time was relieved to see a published
    article (Heart Dis 5(6):365-367, 2003. © 2003 Lippincott Williams & Wilkins) discuss the
    weaknesses of mainstream atherosclerosis management.

    This is not the first time an article has been published in a peer-reviewed cardiology journal on
    the topic of preventative cardiology, Patrick.

    Quoted message said:

    Essentially, current cardiology practice falls short in early diagnosis of atherosclerosis,
    although few cardiologists will admit it.

    The "early" diagnosis of asymptomatic atherosclerosis is inferred from the identification of CAD
    risk factors. This will typically occur at the primary care level. Few cardiologists will be working
    at this level. Most of us become involved when the CAD becomes *symptomatic*, Patrick.

    Quoted message said:

    Interventional techniques, sometimes lifesaving, do not adequately address the actual disease
    itself and do little for long term survival.

    Correct.

    Quoted message said:

    What is a person to do who wants to adequately manage atherosclerosis before complications occur?

    Reduce his/her risk factors. If s/he has MetS, permanent weight loss is probably the most important
    thing that must be achieved.

    Quoted message said:

    Utility of annual carotid intima media thickness (CIMT) evaluations cannot be overemphasized

    Actually, CIMT evaluation was not mentioned at all in the cited article much less
    emphasized, Patrick.

    Are you trying to convince folks that IVUS is the same as a CIMT evaluation?

    It's not.

    Humbly,

    Andrew

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-certified Cardiologist heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.com

  5. tinyurl.com37t2n

    --
    Patrick Blanchard, M.D. Board Certified in Family Medicine

    SonoScore Winning against heart attack and stroke sonoscore.comsonoscore.com

  6. "Patrick Blanchard M.D." <pbmd@<nospamwamego>.net> wrote in part:

    Quoted message said:

    tinyurl.com37t2n

    Are there any data linking management of IMT to outcomes?
    --
    Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA

  7. "Patrick Blanchard M.D." <pbmd@<nospamwamego>.net> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    tinyurl.com37t2n

    Glad to see the question mark in the title.

    Also agree with the author's statement:

    "While I do indeed see an important role for these noninvasive assessments of cardiovascular risk,
    we have to remember that carotid artery IMT measurements as well as flow-mediated vasodilation
    remain surrogate markers of atherosclerosis and are therefore subject to the limitations of using
    such surrogates."

    Was it really your intention to torpedo your advocacy of CIMT measurements with this
    article, Patrick?

    Humbly,

    Andrew

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-certified Cardiologist heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.com

  8. On 29 Dec 2003 23:56:17 -0800, [email hidden] (Dr. Andrew B.

    Chung said:

    Was it really your intention to torpedo your advocacy of CIMT measurements with this
    article, Patrick?

    Nice attack! If you keep at it, you will drive him out too. I am certain you will keep after him.
    Your posts will prove it. Matt

  9. Jim Chinnis said:

    Are there any data linking management of IMT to outcomes?
    --
    Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA

    Intima media thickness of the carotid arteries: early pointer to arteriosclerosis and therapeutic
    endpoint Ultraschall Med. 2003 Jun;24(3):162-74. tinyurl.com2vc2y In conclusion, high-
    resolution Duplex-sonography seems promising for the detection, quantification and serial
    investigations of structural alterations of the arterial wall. The method is sensitive enough to be
    applied in clinical studies of the progression and regression of early preintrusive atherosclerotic
    lesions in extracranial carotid arteries. Moreover IMT of the common carotid artery can be used as a
    therapeutic endpoint.

    *CIMT actually simplifies some very complex issues and can be used as a reference as to efficacy of
    treatment for complex multiple risk factor interventions while avoiding undertreatment,
    overtreatment or unnecessary treatment- pb*

    Intima-media thickness: a new tool for diagnosis and treatment of cardiovascular risk. J Hypertens.
    2002 Feb;20(2):159-69. tinyurl.com2sw2g Close relationships have been shown between: (i)
    most traditional cardiovascular risk factors; (ii) certain emerging risk factors such as
    lipoproteins, psychosocial status, plasma viscosity, or hyperhomocysteinemia; and (iii) various
    cardiovascular or organ damages such as white matter lesion of the brain, left ventricular
    hypertrophy, microalbuminuria or decreased ankle to brachial systolic pressure index. Thus, IMT
    gives a comprehensive picture of the alterations caused by multiple risk factors over time on
    arterial walls.

    *If an individual is showing progression of CIMT over time, it may indicate a "hidden" risk factor
    not previously addressed or substandard treatment, suggesting that a more intense evaluation or
    treatment of known risk factors is needed. For example, DM2 or LDL subclassification... pb*

    Insulin sensitivity and atherosclerosis. The Insulin Resistance Atherosclerosis Study (IRAS)
    Investigators. Circulation. 1996 May 15;93(10):1809-17. tinyurl.com25z4j There was a
    significant negative association between insulin sensitivity and the IMT of the carotid artery both
    in Hispanics and in non-Hispanic whites. This effect was reduced but not totally explained by
    adjustment for traditional cardiovascular disease risk factors, glucose tolerance, measures of
    adiposity, and fasting insulin levels.

    Association between carotid intima-media thickness and low-density lipoprotein size and
    susceptibility of low-density lipoprotein to oxidation in asymptomatic members of familial combined
    hyperlipidemia families. Stroke. 2002 May;33(5):1255-60. tinyurl.comyq9by LDL particle size,
    serum total cholesterol, and alpha-tocopherol in LDL were independently associated with lag time for
    LDL oxidation in multivariate analysis. LDL particle size was associated with carotid mean IMT
    independently of clinical, lipid, and antioxidant variables in multivariate analysis. Although the
    susceptibility of LDL to oxidation in vitro was correlated with mean IMT, it did not have a
    significant independent contribution to variation in mean IMT in the multivariate model.

    *CIMT is a measure of atherosclerosis. Targeting CIMT directly by using medications known to regress
    atherosclerosis over time requires a paradigm shift from yesterday's management of atherosclerosis.
    By targeting the known pathways of atherosclerosis progression early, before clinical events occur
    is now considered state of the art, and is considered "secondary prevention" against
    atherosclerosis. -pb*

    "Atherosclerosis is a progressive disease. While the short-term prognosis may be improved with
    medical management and revascularization strategies, the underlying atherosclerotic disease process
    must be addressed to improve long term patient outcome. Overwhelming scientific evidence
    demonstrates that treatment alters the natural history of this disease, improves clinical outcomes,
    and prolongs survival. The goal, whether it be during hospitalization or an outpatient visit for any
    reason, in a patient with coronary artery disease, cerebral vascular disease, or peripheral vascular
    disease is to ensure the initiation and maintenance of clinical trial evidence based therapies." -
    quote from the UCLA atherosclerosis management site, CHAMP: med.ucla.educhamp

    Fonarow, G. C. and A. Gawlinski, Rational and Design of the Cardiac Hospitalization Atherosclerosis
    Management Program at the University of California Los Angeles, Am. J. Cardiol., 85:10A-17A, 2000.

    * "CIMT is a direct measure of early atherosclerosis" Gregg Fonarow, exerpt from a private email
    July 2003 -pb*

    Noninvasive atherosclerosis imaging for predicting cardiovascular events and assessing therapeutic
    interventions. Curr Atheroscler Rep. 2004 Jan;6(1):20-6. tinyurl.comyq5zu Noninvasive
    assessment of atherosclerosis offers an opportunity to provide individual cardiovascular risk
    management and an opportunity to monitor the efficacy of therapy targeted toward atherosclerosis.
    The three imaging modalities that currently hold the most promise at the clinical and research
    levels are ultrasound for carotid intima-media thickness, computed tomography for coronary artery
    calcification, and magnetic resonance imaging for carotid and aortic plaque imaging.

    *CIMT is not the only noninvasive assessment of atherosclerosis available, but it is the safest and
    most precise method. I hope these few studies help answer your question; regression of CIMT over
    time has been strongly linked to regression of atherosclerosis and hence improved outcomes. These
    quoted studies are just a few of many many studies indicating a regression of CIMT translates to
    better outcomes, and that CIMT opens a window to effective and highly specific individualization of
    atherosclerosis management. -pb*

    --
    Patrick Blanchard, M.D. Board Certified in Family Medicine

    SonoScore Winning against heart attack and stroke sonoscore.comsonoscore.com

  10. "Patrick Blanchard M.D. .net>" <pbmd@<nospamwamego> wrote in message news:yKCdnQF4o8SNI2yiU-
    [email hidden]... -cuts-

    Quoted message said:


    *CIMT is not the only noninvasive assessment of atherosclerosis available, but it is the safest
    and most precise method. I hope these few studies help answer your question; regression of CIMT
    over time has been strongly linked to regression of atherosclerosis and hence improved outcomes.
    These quoted studies are just a few of many many studies indicating a regression of CIMT
    translates to better outcomes, and that CIMT opens a window to effective and highly specific
    individualization of atherosclerosis management. -pb*

    --
    Patrick Blanchard, M.D. Board Certified in Family Medicine

    SonoScore Winning against heart attack and stroke sonoscore.comsonoscore.com

    Does insurance typically pay for this yet (like a traditional echo) or is it too early for that?

    Thanks.

    Bill

  11. Quoted message said:

    "Patrick Blanchard M.D. .net>" <pbmd@<nospamwamego> wrote in message news:yKCdnQF4o8SNI2yiU-
    [email hidden]... -cuts-

    Quoted message said:


    *CIMT is not the only noninvasive assessment of atherosclerosis available, but it is the safest
    and most precise method. I hope these few studies help answer your question; regression of CIMT
    over time has been strongly linked to regression of atherosclerosis and hence improved outcomes.
    These quoted studies are just a few of many many studies indicating a regression of CIMT
    translates to better outcomes, and that CIMT opens a window to effective and highly specific
    individualization of atherosclerosis management. -pb*

    --
    Patrick Blanchard, M.D. Board Certified in Family Medicine

    SonoScore Winning against heart attack and stroke sonoscore.comsonoscore.com

    Does insurance typically pay for this yet (like a traditional echo) or is it too early for that?

    Thanks.

    Bill

    Bill,

    It is unlikely that insurance will ever pay for CIMT measurements. Sorry.

    Have a blessed New Years :-)

    Humbly,

    Andrew

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist
    heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.com

  12. Quoted message said:

    Does insurance typically pay for this yet (like a traditional echo) or is it too early for that?

    Thanks.

    Bill

    I don't expect insurance to ever cover quality CIMT evaluations.

    It took an act of congress just to approve a screening cholesterol test every 2 years. What a hoot.
    tinyurl.com2m897

    "insurance company" is a euphemismistic term for "the dark age of quality medical care".

    Patrick Blanchard, M.D. Board Certified in Family Medicine

    SonoScore Winning against heart attack and stroke sonoscore.comsonoscore.com

  13. Jim Chinnis said:


    "Patrick Blanchard M.D." <pbmd@<nospamwamego>.net> wrote in part:

    Quoted message said:

    tinyurl.com37t2n

    Are there any data linking management of IMT to outcomes?

    A good "discerning" question, Jim.

    The answer is "no."

    Humbly,

    Andrew

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-certified Cardiologist
    http:/www.heartmdphd.com/

  14. MD/PhD said:

    The answer is "no."

    Perhaps you could clarify your position with more than just a simplistic answer. Perhaps you could
    also stay on topic.

    --
    Patrick Blanchard, M.D. Board Certified in Family Medicine

    SonoScore Winning against heart attack and stroke sonoscore.comsonoscore.com

  15. Patrick Blanchard M.D.

    Quoted message said:


    MD/PhD said:

    The answer is "no."

    Perhaps you could clarify your position with more than just a simplistic answer.

    This was not a question regarding position. Any answer short of a simple "no" would be imho an
    obfuscation. If the answer were "yes" then it would be appropriate to elaborate with references.

    Quoted message said:

    Perhaps you could also stay on topic.

    Perhaps you could answer the on-topic questions posed to you.

    Humbly,

    Andrew

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-certified Cardiologist
    http:/www.heartmdphd.com/

  16. MD/PhD said:

    This was not a question regarding position. Any answer short of a simple "no" would be imho an
    obfuscation. If the answer were "yes" then it would be appropriate to elaborate with references.

    I think "no" is about as short an answer an anyone can give.

    Just so we are clear on intentions... ob·fus·cate (ob'f?-skat´, ob-fus'kat´) verb, transitive
    ob·fus·cat·ed, ob·fus·cat·ing, ob·fus·cates
    1. To make so confused or opaque as to be difficult to perceive or understand: “A great effort
    was made . . . to obscure or obfuscate the truth” (Robert Conquest).
    2. To render indistinct or dim; darken: The fog obfuscated the shore.

    I do not consider an opposing argument "obfuscating".

    In fact, I belive an opposing argument helpful to clarify not only your knowledge about CIMT work,
    but your experience with it as well.

    --
    Patrick Blanchard, M.D. Board Certified in Family Medicine

    SonoScore Winning against heart attack and stroke sonoscore.comsonoscore.com

  17. Patrick Blanchard M.D.

    Quoted message said:


    MD/PhD said:

    This was not a question regarding position. Any answer short of a simple "no" would be imho an
    obfuscation. If the answer were "yes" then it would be appropriate to elaborate with references.

    I think "no" is about as short an answer an anyone can give.

    Just so we are clear on intentions... ob·fus·cate (ob'f?-skat´, ob-fus'kat´) verb, transitive
    ob·fus·cat·ed, ob·fus·cat·ing, ob·fus·cates
    1. To make so confused or opaque as to be difficult to perceive or understand: “A great
    effort was made . . . to obscure or obfuscate the truth” (Robert Conquest).
    2. To render indistinct or dim; darken: The fog obfuscated the shore.

    I do not consider an opposing argument "obfuscating".

    It is when the question can be completely and succinctly answered with a "no."

    Quoted message said:

    In fact, I belive an opposing argument helpful to clarify not only your knowledge about CIMT work,
    but your experience with it as well.

    I believe you are revisiting an old discussion.

    May you and your Sonoscore enterprise have a prosperous 2004 :-)

    Humbly,

    Andrew

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-certified Cardiologist
    http:/www.heartmdphd.com/

  18. MD/PhD said:
    Quoted message said:

    In fact, I belive an opposing argument helpful to clarify not only your knowledge about CIMT
    work, but your experience with it as well.

    I believe you are revisiting an old discussion.

    No, I am not. The question on the table is...

    Are there any data linking management of IMT to outcomes?

    To which you have replied "NO".

    We have discussed CIMT before, but we have not discussed management of it.

    Perhaps simplifying the question a bit will clarify the debate...

    "Are there any data linkng management of atherosclerosis to outcomes?"

    - Patrick Blanchard, M.D., A.B.F.P. Board Certified in Family Medicine
    familydoctor.orgblanchard

    SonoScore Winning against heart attack and stroke sonoscore.comsonoscore.com

  19. Patrick Blanchard MD said:
    MD/PhD said:
    Quoted message said:

    In fact, I belive an opposing argument helpful to clarify not only your knowledge about CIMT
    work, but your experience with it as well.

    I believe you are revisiting an old discussion.

    No, I am not. The question on the table is...

    Are there any data linking management of IMT to outcomes?

    To which you have replied "NO".

    We have discussed CIMT before, but we have not discussed management of it.

    Perhaps simplifying the question a bit will clarify the debate...

    "Are there any data linkng management of atherosclerosis to outcomes?"

    We've already discussed how increased CIMT is not the same as atherosclerosis. Based on that
    discussion, this latter question is not relevant to the former.

    Humbly,

    Andrew

    --
    Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
    Board-Certified Cardiologist
    heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.com

  20. Andrew, you clearly do not understand atheroslcerosis. You do not understand primary, secondary and
    tertiary prevention. I would like to remind you of your statements that reveal your definition of
    atheroslcerosis; heart attack, stroke, TIA, claudication (or any complication of atherosclerosis and
    there happens to be many others). You said that a disease is not clinically significant unless there
    are symptoms from it. This means that if someone has advanced atherosclerosis and it is silent, then
    it is not important! Yet you contradict yourself when you discuss the importance of risk factor
    modification. I know you have difficulty with what I am telling you but... you are wrong.

    You are confusing one disease with another; you are confusing one disease with the complications
    it causes.

    Atherosclerosis is silent. It is silent decades before the complications arise. Atherosclerosis is
    not a heart attack, or a stroke, or a TIA, or claudication (or any of the many complications of
    atherosclerosis). The complications of atherosclerosis are separate diseases, but they are not
    atherosclerosis.

    Let me explain further. You do not understand primary, secondary and tertiary prevention of
    atherosclerosis let alone the histological definition of it. Why is this important? Because you are
    confusing primary, secondary and tertiary prevention of atherosclerosis with primary, secondary, and
    tertiary prevention of the organ damage caused by atherosclerosis.

    In other words, you incorrectly define atherosclerosis with the problems it causes, and not the
    actual disease itself. I found this fundamental flaw in all of your prior statements about
    atherosclerosis from the beginning of the google archives. Go back and look for yourself - your
    fundamental flaw of knowledge rests upon your complete lack of understanding as to what primary,
    secondary and tertiary prevention of disease means. (see below).

    Look here: tinyurl.com2musu

    Primary prevention for heart attack begins with the efforts of the American Heart Association to
    educate the public that when they experience chest pain they should seek medical attention. Now,
    let's talk about the arrow representing the treatment for a heart attack. For "Myocardial
    infarction", secondary prevention would be the recognition of the heart attack and the treatment of
    it. I see this all the time in the emergency room; is the lady's chest pain from a myocardial
    infarction or from a pulmonary embolus? Secondary prevention against heart attack begins with early
    recognition or the proper diagnosis of a heart attack. Tertiary prevention of the heart attack would
    be subsequent treatment of the complications of a heart attack (for example heart failure, or
    angina) later on.

    I would like you to take a look at the arrow again and think about atherosclerosis, or "hardening of
    the arteries". Secondary prevention would be the recognition of the atherosclerosis and the
    treatment of it. It is here, in secondary prevention against atherosclerosis where the paradigm
    shift in early detection and treatment has emerged just a few years ago, after you finished your
    formal eduation. It is here where most if not all individuals can be properly guided to prevent the
    need of tertiary prevention of atherosclerosis, namely heart attacks and strokes. Tertiary
    prevention of atherosclerosis is the treatment of damage caused by atherosclerosis (for example
    myocardial infarction).

    Do you see your fundamental flaw of knowledge? Perhaps you could admit this but I doubt it. However,
    I hope that you take this essay of mine and then go to your patients and at least consider what I
    have told you when you address their problems. May www.heartmdphd.com be prosperous in the year
    2004. After all, the dot com indicates it is a for-profit organization. tinyurl.com32bs4

    Rest assured it will be profitable if you fail to recognize your fundamental knowledge flaw.

    From the Google archives (just a small sample):

    From: "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email hidden]> Newsgroups: sci.med.cardiology Subject:
    Re: CRP::MPO::Vulnerable plaques::CIMT Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:01:36 -0500 Organization:
    heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.com

    Disease is clinically significant when there are signs and symptoms associated with it. Otherwise,
    it may still be important but not clinically significant.

    Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 03:16:13 GMT Lines: 476 From: "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
    <[email hidden]> Reply-To: [email hidden] Organization: heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.com

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Dr. Chung replys to Dr. Chaos: It remains my experience. There are various stigmata detectable
    by an astute physician on physical exam that tells that physician that there is
    atherosclerosis.

    Dr. Blanchard disagrees in reply:

    Even the most experienced physician cannot identify atherosclerosis until the late stages of this
    silent killer,

    (Dr. Chung replys) A heart attack is hardly silent.

    --
    Patrick Blanchard, M.D. Board Certified in Family Medicine

    SonoScore Winning against heart attack and stroke sonoscore.comsonoscore.com

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