Induction question

On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 03:05:42 GMT, Lilith79 <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

My copy was printed in 1992, purchased in 2001 before his death. And,
yes, my copy states *free foods* at the top of the chart.

You need to get a more up to date copy then.

"FOB" <: It has milk added, but I don't think most has sugar. However, milk
has some
: carbs.

Better look at the label again. I was disappointed in how much sugar is in
cottage cheese.

Pat in TX

"Lilith79" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Saffire wrote:
BTW, cottage cheese is not allowed during Induction.

Yes it is allowed. Page 96 of the paperback version of New Diet
Revolution lists *free* foods, and cottage cheese is listed under the
cheeses. The only limitation on cheeses on Induction are diet cheeses,
whey cheeses, or cheese spreads.

Quoted message said:

Pat wrote:
Cottage Cheese is not "pure" cheese---it has added sugar. On induction,
sugar is eliminated.

Where did you get that information? Cottage cheese does not have any
added sugar-unless the consumer puts it there. I've read the lables, and
I know how to make it from scratch. It's simply milk. Here's a link to a
REC http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Cottage/1288/soft/cottage.htm

There is no such thing as a "free" food. This is not a game, this is about
health, weight control, and finding a WOL (Way Of Life) that proves
beneficial, given that everyone is dfferent.

If you can eat loads of cottage cheese and not gain weight, and you happen
to like cottage cheese, then go for it. My own mother used to almost live
on cottage cheese, actually, and she never has been fat.

The idea that there are foods that you can wolf down and not gain weight
according to some low-carb plan is fallacious. It's not like that.

JC sometimes comes in here and says "eat less and exercise more". He's
right, you know.

If you eat the right foods, though, you don't have to go hungry.

Pat said:

Better look at the label again. I was disappointed in how much sugar is in
cottage cheese.

http://www.delorie.com/health/ns/?fid=01012
0.75g per oz

Maybe it's your brand?

Are you looking at the nutritional label or the ingredients? THe
nutritional label will show the natural milk sugars but I still don't think
they add sugar.

In news:[email hidden],
Pat <[email hidden]> stated
| "FOB" <: It has milk added, but I don't think most has sugar.
| However, milk has some
|| carbs.
|
| Better look at the label again. I was disappointed in how much sugar
| is in cottage cheese.
|
| Pat in TX

Jaime said:

Quoted message said:

My copy was printed in 1992, purchased in 2001 before his death. And,
yes, my copy states *free foods* at the top of the chart.

You need to get a more up to date copy then.

Yeah, maybe she should get the one that says sugar alcohols are free
foods. :-P

J. David Anderson wrote:

I lost more than a quarter of my body weight between
|| June and August this year,

That doesn't seem smart.

am currently less than 5% body fat and
|| have a current BMI of 17.95, all without staying in ketosis, and
|| without even once walking away from a meal still hungry. I lost
|| faster, and with less difficulty than many people I am associated
|| with (in diabetes groups),
|| who stayed in ketosis the whole time.

But what does that prove? You migth have simply created more of a calorie
deficit.

||
|| I started low then added carbs back in until reaching my current
|| norm of around 175-190 per day. My rate of weight loss didn't change
|| when I
|| moved out of ketosis, and my energy levels increased substantially
|| with the extra carbs, enabling me to enjoy exercise, rather than
|| suffer it. I am slightly underweight now and am slowly adding back
|| lean muscle mass.
||
|| I was not particularly overweight to start with, (4lbs above weight
|| for age and height) I dropped weight to control Blood Glucose
|| levels, but it was an interesting experiment none the less. I have
|| been associated with fitness and nutrition for many years and
|| although having observed many people using ketonic diets, it was my
|| first personal experience. I see
|| no value in ketosis, but a great deal of value in cutting all
|| unnecessary carbs from a diet. In my opinion, reduced carb is a
|| healthy lifestyle choice, ketosis is a fad that puts long term
|| health at risk. Many people emphatically dispute this, but in order
|| to do this, they
|| have to ignore or disparage a very large body of expert opinion.

Where is this expert opinion? This has been discussed over and over and
there is not credible proof that ketosis is bad in the long term. It's
simply called into question because people don't have anything else to hang
their hat on.

||
|| Atkins died fat and if you want to do some research,

Not true.

you will find
|| that low carb diets have been documented for well over one hundred
|| years.

We all know this...

The first fellow to propose low carb (1860's) was also very
|| overweight when
|| he had his fatal heart attack. Nothing changes.
||

None of this proves anything. This guy might have been drunk with carb
cravings when he died. Humans are flawed.

|| Regards
||
|| David
||
||
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|| To email me, please include the letters DNF anywhere in the subject
|| line.
||
|| All other mail is automatically deleted.

Hi,

Roger Zoul said:

||
|| Atkins died fat and if you want to do some research,

Not true.

you will find
|| that low carb diets have been documented for well over one
hundred
|| years.

We all know this...

The first fellow to propose low carb (1860's) was also very
|| overweight when
|| he had his fatal heart attack. Nothing changes.
||

None of this proves anything. This guy might have been drunk with
carb
cravings when he died. Humans are flawed.

If he's talking about Banting, he's wrong. Banting died at the age of
81, and no cause of death is recorded.
I suspect old age might have had a hand in it. :-)

Take care,
Carmen

GQ said:

Yeah, what is the darn deal with sugar alcohols anyway? I thought they
were not allowed and now in the newer Atkins it seems to be allowed.
Doesn't it really depend on how someone's body reacts to them? Or am I
wrong in thinking that?

No, you're right. SAs in general either act as carbs, or give you
diarrhea. So if you like diarrhea, they're safe to eat on LC. I
think the only exception is erythritol, which seems to do neither for
most people.

DJ Delorie said:

GQ said:

Yeah, what is the darn deal with sugar alcohols anyway? I thought they
were not allowed and now in the newer Atkins it seems to be allowed.
Doesn't it really depend on how someone's body reacts to them? Or am I
wrong in thinking that?

No, you're right. SAs in general either act as carbs, or give you
diarrhea. So if you like diarrhea, they're safe to eat on LC. I
think the only exception is erythritol, which seems to do neither for
most people.

My wife found she stalled from sugar alcohols and had to cut them out
all together from her LC WOL.

Bunky42 wrote:
|| DJ Delorie wrote:
||| GQ <[email hidden]> writes:
|||
|||| Yeah, what is the darn deal with sugar alcohols anyway? I thought
|||| they were not allowed and now in the newer Atkins it seems to be
|||| allowed. Doesn't it really depend on how someone's body reacts to
|||| them? Or am I wrong in thinking that?
|||
|||
||| No, you're right. SAs in general either act as carbs, or give you
||| diarrhea. So if you like diarrhea, they're safe to eat on LC. I
||| think the only exception is erythritol, which seems to do neither
||| for most people.
||
|| My wife found she stalled from sugar alcohols and had to cut them out
|| all together from her LC WOL.

did she stall from SAs or the extra calories in the candy?

Carmen said:

Hi,

Roger Zoul said:

||
|| Atkins died fat and if you want to do some research,

Not true.

I didn't think he died fat, he was bloated from being in the hospital.
The media sensationalized it and blamed the diet, which made many LC
naysayer's very happy and somehow it has evolved into fact. He was 72,
people die at that age quite frequently.

He was comatose for a few weeks before he died. Here's a news story abou
it: http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/02/10/atkins.widow/ I don't find
that story to be embellished or falsified. My grandpa spent the better
part of his last year alive in the hospital, in ICU. As a result of his
condition-lung problems not related to cancer or smoking- and being on
IV nutrition, he bloated very badly. I'd say he had gained 40 lbs of
water weight at one point. Being ill can do that to a person.

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Quoted message said:

A free food? Eggs? Not in the long term surely. I consider something

like

Quoted message said:

lettuce a free food in the sense that you can eat as much as could ever
dream of. However, nearly everything else must be eaten in moderation.

I agree with your statement about lettuce, Roger. But therein lies one of
my great confusions with induction: limiting vegetables. For induction, I
am supposed to limit myself to 3 c. of low carb veggies per day. WHY?
Today I was looking at my bag of salad mix (iceberg, romaine, carrots,
radish and red cabbage)...the bag lists 4 2.5 cup servings at 15 calories
per serving with 3 carb grams and 1 fiber gram (2 net carbs per serving).
If this salad mix has only 2 net carbs in one serving, why am I limited to 3
cups of veggies only? It seems to me that in terms of weight loss and
feeling 'full' I'd be better off eating the whole bag of salad than eating a
hamburger along with my small serving of salad.

Whats the deal with this?

In article <[email hidden]>,

Tracey said:

"Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

A free food? Eggs? Not in the long term surely. I consider something

like

Quoted message said:

lettuce a free food in the sense that you can eat as much as could ever
dream of. However, nearly everything else must be eaten in moderation.

I agree with your statement about lettuce, Roger. But therein lies one of
my great confusions with induction: limiting vegetables. For induction, I
am supposed to limit myself to 3 c. of low carb veggies per day. WHY?
Today I was looking at my bag of salad mix (iceberg, romaine, carrots,
radish and red cabbage)...the bag lists 4 2.5 cup servings at 15 calories
per serving with 3 carb grams and 1 fiber gram (2 net carbs per serving).
If this salad mix has only 2 net carbs in one serving, why am I limited to 3
cups of veggies only? It seems to me that in terms of weight loss and
feeling 'full' I'd be better off eating the whole bag of salad than eating a
hamburger along with my small serving of salad.

Whats the deal with this?

Never made sense to me either. Maybe because you could conceivably go
overboard with other veggies like peppers, onions, tomatoes, etc.? I'd
say eat all of that salad mix you want, I doubt it's made anyone fat or
stalled anyone.

--
Michelle Levin
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

"FOB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

It has milk added, but I don't think most has sugar. However, milk has
some
carbs.

Milk sugar.

Quoted message said:

In news:[email hidden],
Pat <[email hidden]> stated
| "Lilith79" <: >
||| Note that some versions of Atkins limit you to 4oz cheese per day;
||| you're up to 6oz already (1/2c cottage = 4oz).
|| [censored], I didn't notice that. Doh! FWIW I'm following The NEW Diet
|| Revolution, and it lists cheese as free food too.
|
| Cottage Cheese is not "pure" cheese---it has added sugar. On
| induction, sugar is eliminated.
|
| Pat in TX

DJ Delorie said:

Jaime said:

Quoted message said:

My copy was printed in 1992, purchased in 2001 before his death. And,
yes, my copy states *free foods* at the top of the chart.

You need to get a more up to date copy then.

Yeah, maybe she should get the one that says sugar alcohols are free
foods. :-P

At least the latest version of DANDR.

Roger Zoul said:

Bunky42 wrote:
|| DJ Delorie wrote:
||| GQ <[email hidden]> writes:
|||
|||| Yeah, what is the darn deal with sugar alcohols anyway? I thought
|||| they were not allowed and now in the newer Atkins it seems to be
|||| allowed. Doesn't it really depend on how someone's body reacts to
|||| them? Or am I wrong in thinking that?
|||
|||
||| No, you're right. SAs in general either act as carbs, or give you
||| diarrhea. So if you like diarrhea, they're safe to eat on LC. I
||| think the only exception is erythritol, which seems to do neither
||| for most people.
||
|| My wife found she stalled from sugar alcohols and had to cut them out
|| all together from her LC WOL.

did she stall from SAs or the extra calories in the candy?

Sugar Alcohols Althought they didn't seem to bother me.

Tracey wrote:
|| "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
|| news:[email hidden]...
||| A free food? Eggs? Not in the long term surely. I consider
||| something like lettuce a free food in the sense that you can eat as
||| much as could ever dream of. However, nearly everything else must
||| be eaten in moderation.
||
||
|| I agree with your statement about lettuce, Roger. But therein lies
|| one of my great confusions with induction: limiting vegetables.
|| For induction, I am supposed to limit myself to 3 c. of low carb
|| veggies per day. WHY? Today I was looking at my bag of salad mix
|| (iceberg, romaine, carrots, radish and red cabbage)...the bag lists
|| 4 2.5 cup servings at 15 calories per serving with 3 carb grams and
|| 1 fiber gram (2 net carbs per serving). If this salad mix has only 2
|| net carbs in one serving, why am I limited to 3 cups of veggies
|| only? It seems to me that in terms of weight loss and feeling
|| 'full' I'd be better off eating the whole bag of salad than eating a
|| hamburger along with my small serving of salad.
||
|| Whats the deal with this?

Well, for one thing.....there is not a lot of nutrition in
lettuce....something that you can nearly eat an infinite amount of basically
means it has nothing in it beyond water.

But if you're going to "cheat" induction, I'd say salid mix is the best
place to do it.

On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 05:29:43 GMT, Lilith79 <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Carmen said:

Hi,

Roger Zoul said:

||
|| Atkins died fat and if you want to do some research,

Not true.

I didn't think he died fat, he was bloated from being in the hospital.
The media sensationalized it and blamed the diet, which made many LC
naysayer's very happy and somehow it has evolved into fact. He was 72,
people die at that age quite frequently.

He was comatose for a few weeks before he died. Here's a news story abou
it: http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/02/10/atkins.widow/ I don't find
that story to be embellished or falsified. My grandpa spent the better
part of his last year alive in the hospital, in ICU. As a result of his
condition-lung problems not related to cancer or smoking- and being on
IV nutrition, he bloated very badly. I'd say he had gained 40 lbs of
water weight at one point. Being ill can do that to a person.

True.

I want to complement you, Lilith79. If you subscribe to what you
have been told here about the limitations on your 'free food list,
then you seem to be doing all the right things and I smell great
success in your quest to lose weight or control your blood sugar.

http://atkins.com/howto/phase1.html

PJ

Tracey said:

For induction, I am supposed to limit myself to 3 c. of low carb
veggies per day. WHY?

There was some thought that originally Atkins didn't subtract fiber,
so 3c of veggies adds up to 20g carbs pretty quickly. When you
subtract fiber, you can eat a lot more veggies. IMHO ignore the 3c
limit and use the 20g limit.