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  1. My parents are considering replacing their gas stove with an induction
    one. They say the new range would be part induction and part electric.
    (Honestly, that doesn't make any sense to me so if y'all want to clear
    that up, I'd appreciate it.) They'd like help coming up with an
    advantages and disadvantages list for each. So far, they've heard that
    the new range would be beautiful and environmentally friendly. (That
    doesn't make any sense to me, either. My guess is that the old gas
    stove would be the environmentally friendliest.)

    --Lia

  2. Julia Altshuler said:

    My parents are considering replacing their gas stove with an induction
    one.  They say the new range would be part induction and part electric.
      (Honestly, that doesn't make any sense to me so if y'all want to clear
    that up, I'd appreciate it.)  They'd like help coming up with an
    advantages and disadvantages list for each.  So far, they've heard that
    the new range would be beautiful and environmentally friendly.  (That
    doesn't make any sense to me, either.  My guess is that the old gas
    stove would be the environmentally friendliest.)

    Induction cooking is indeed electric cooking. The oven will operate
    like any electric oven and will definitely cost more to operate than a
    gas oven, probably three-four times more. The top burners will be the
    only induction portion and will probably use a little use less
    electric than ordinary electtric cooktops but nowhere near as
    inexpensive to operate as gas.

    I don't really see any advantage with induction cooking over gas. And
    since induction units are so expensive it will probably take more than
    ten years to break even over ordinary electric element stove tops.

    There is also a big learning curve to contend with... cooking with gas
    all their lives older folks will probably never learn to use induction
    cooktops sucessfully... your mother would probably have trouble
    learnig to cook with ordinary electtric element cooktops.

    I'm curious, why are your parents considering switching to induction?

    Sheldon

  3. Sheldon said:

    I'm curious, why are your parents considering switching to induction?

    I'm curious too. Here's the backstory (some relevant, some not).

    My parents have had a gas stove for as long as I've known them.
    (Actually, I don't remember if the stove at the old house before the one
    the family moved to 35 years ago was gas or electric.) My parents are
    in their 80s and in pretty good health. They're surprisingly good at
    staying active and learning new things-- if they enjoy those new things.
    They're not big on cooking and never have been. They're old and don't
    eat much. I'm not sure how much they were using the gas stove. Let's
    guess that it wasn't a lot, that they used it more to heat things up or
    to make the occasional vegetable.

    They get high quality take-out a lot. (We're talking gourmet stores,
    not fast food.) They eat out a lot. I'm guessing that a typical day
    for them would be a breakfast of cereal, fruit and toast (no cooking),
    lunch out at a niceish restaurant (no cooking) and a simple dinner
    consisting of the leftovers from lunch or some cold cuts or something
    from a gourmet store (little cooking).

    My father was considering not replacing the gas stove at all and just
    getting by with the microwave.

    They're considering replacing the gas stove because of the fire. They
    had a repairman from the gas company do routine maintenance on the
    stove. He moved the stove from the wall in order to do a good cleaning,
    cleaned the jets to the pilot lights to adjust them, and checked on
    everything. Then he pushed the stove back against the wall. My parents
    paid him and left to go out for some groceries. When they got back
    within the hour, they discovered the wall behind the stove on fire. The
    9-1-1 firefighters diagnosed that the pipe bringing the gas into the
    house from the tank outside was broken when the stove was pushed back.
    The gas ignited from the pilots. Since all the safeties were in place,
    nothing exploded. Still, there was a lot more damage than it looked
    like at first.

    My parents have spent these last weeks dealing with expert cleaners and
    insurance adjusters. They've had people in and out scrubbing smoke
    smell out of walls and furniture. Apparently it's quite a big deal.

    Now the question of replacing the stove has come up. To the best of my
    knowledge, the old stove is still working. My parents are getting
    conflicting advice from friends and people coming in and out of the
    house to clean, and they're not good at weighing the advice. Anything
    scientific or mechanical has always thrown them for a loop. (We're
    talking about people who have trouble changing light bulbs. Seriously,
    my mother is an award winning college level teacher in the humanities,
    and my father is an excellent lawyer. They're not practical with
    anything that smacks of machinery. Witness the fact that they scarcely
    cook.) When it comes to what stove to buy, my parents are likely to
    believe the last person they've spoken to or to trust the advice of the
    person they like best, not weigh the advantages and disadvantages for
    themselves.

    There's every indication that the insurance would pay for a new stove or
    a good portion of a new stove. They might be thinking that induction is
    a good idea because it's cool, the hot new thing. My mother mentioned
    that "it's beautiful and environmentally friendly." I KNOW she didn't
    come up with that because she researched it herself on the web. (Both
    parents are computer savvy with email but disarmingly naive when it
    comes to believing things they read on the Internet.) (Oh, and when I
    put the sentence about how Mom's a teacher and Dad's a lawyer in the
    present tense, that's because they're both still working, though part time.)

    I'm leaning towards advising them to stick with gas but thought I'd get
    other opinions here.

    --Lia

  4. Julia Altshuler said:
    Sheldon said:

    I'm curious, why are your parents considering switching to induction?

    I'm curious too.  Here's the backstory (some relevant, some not).

    My parents have had a gas stove for as long as I've known them.
    (Actually, I don't remember if the stove at the old house before the one
    the family moved to 35 years ago was gas or electric.)  My parents are
    in their 80s and in pretty good health.  They're surprisingly good at
    staying active and learning new things-- if they enjoy those new things.
      They're not big on cooking and never have been.  They're old and don't
    eat much.  I'm not sure how much they were using the gas stove.  Let's
    guess that it wasn't a lot, that they used it more to heat things up or
    to make the occasional vegetable.

    They get high quality take-out a lot.  (We're talking gourmet stores,
    not fast food.)  They eat out a lot.  I'm guessing that a typical day
    for them would be a breakfast of cereal, fruit and toast (no cooking),
    lunch out at a niceish restaurant (no cooking) and a simple dinner
    consisting of the leftovers from lunch or some cold cuts or something
    from a gourmet store (little cooking).

    My father was considering not replacing the gas stove at all and just
    getting by with the microwave.

    They're considering replacing the gas stove because of the fire.  They
    had a repairman from the gas company do routine maintenance on the
    stove.  He moved the stove from the wall in order to do a good cleaning,
    cleaned the jets to the pilot lights to adjust them, and checked on
    everything.  Then he pushed the stove back against the wall.  My parents
    paid him and left to go out for some groceries.  When they got back
    within the hour, they discovered the wall behind the stove on fire.  The
    9-1-1 firefighters diagnosed that the pipe bringing the gas into the
    house from the tank outside was broken when the stove was pushed back.
    The gas ignited from the pilots.  Since all the safeties were in place,
    nothing exploded.  Still, there was a lot more damage than it looked
    like at first.

    My parents have spent these last weeks dealing with expert cleaners and
    insurance adjusters.  They've had people in and out scrubbing smoke
    smell out of walls and furniture.  Apparently it's quite a big deal.

    Now the question of replacing the stove has come up.  To the best of my
    knowledge, the old stove is still working. My parents are getting
    conflicting advice from friends and people coming in and out of the
    house to clean, and they're not good at weighing the advice.  Anything
    scientific or mechanical has always thrown them for a loop.  (We're
    talking about people who have trouble changing light bulbs.  Seriously,
    my mother is an award winning college level teacher in the humanities,
    and my father is an excellent lawyer.  They're not practical with
    anything that smacks of machinery.  Witness the fact that they scarcely
    cook.)  When it comes to what stove to buy, my parents are likely to
    believe the last person they've spoken to or to trust the advice of the
    person they like best, not weigh the advantages and disadvantages for
    themselves.

    There's every indication that the insurance would pay for a new stove or
    a good portion of a new stove.  They might be thinking that induction is
    a good idea because it's cool, the hot new thing.  My mother mentioned
    that "it's beautiful and environmentally friendly."  I KNOW she didn't
    come up with that because she researched it herself on the web.  (Both
    parents are computer savvy with email but disarmingly naive when it
    comes to believing things they read on the Internet.)  (Oh, and when I
    put the sentence about how Mom's a teacher and Dad's a lawyer in the
    present tense, that's because they're both still working, though part time.)

    I'm leaning towards advising them to stick with gas but thought I'd get
    other opinions here.

    After reading your account I'd recommend that they get a new stove,
    basic electric elements, *no frills*... from what you describe they
    could easily do quite well with a single burner hot plate and their
    microwave... definitely no induction (learning curve is way too steep
    for 80 year olds who are not into cooking to climb) and without
    getting into it let's just say they are done with gas cooking.

    Sheldon

  5. Julia Altshuler wrote on 15 May 2007 in rec.food.cooking

    Quoted message said:

    I'm leaning towards advising them to stick with gas but thought I'd get
    other opinions here.

    Induction burners are the next best thing to gas...Only you need
    'special' pots and pans...the pans have to be able to allow a magnet to
    stick to them. In other words aluminum pans won't work on them...not sure
    about some Stainless Steel...As the burner works using magnetic fields.
    Cast iron and regular steel work just fine...I have several steel no stick
    pans that work a treat.

    The burners are reasonably fast to respond to temp changes and get a pan
    hot faster than an electric stove almost as fast as gas. If warming up
    soup and the ocassional meal from scratch are their only duty they will
    suffice very nicely...When I pan fry a egg on my induction hotplate...I
    get very even heat over the entire pan bottom, much better then when using
    a electric or even a gas burner. But my gas burner experience is
    limited...If I had the bucks I'd go to an induction range in a heartbeat.
    But that's me.

    I thourghly enjoy using my induction hotplate.

    There is the safety issue...Induction burners are safer as there is no
    heat or open flames other than reflected heat from the 'warm' pan. And
    they do use less power than a electric range.

    Occassionally I leave burners on my electric range on by accident (maybe
    once a yr). Which is a fire hazard and a bad thing and I ain't eighty. I
    think a gas stove with the open flame would be an even worse safety
    hazard. Induction burners wouldn't be as hazardous in that aspect.

    Once learning how to turn it on and basic dial control I don't see your
    parents having a problem with induction...hell it tok me a month or 2 to
    get used to my electric stove knobs and oven features.

  6. Julia Altshuler said:
    Sheldon said:

    I'm curious, why are your parents considering switching to induction?

    I'm curious too. Here's the backstory (some relevant, some not).


    (snippage)

    Quoted message said:

    They're considering replacing the gas stove because of the fire. They
    had a repairman from the gas company do routine maintenance on the
    stove. He moved the stove from the wall in order to do a good
    cleaning, cleaned the jets to the pilot lights to adjust them, and
    checked on everything. Then he pushed the stove back against the
    wall. My parents paid him and left to go out for some groceries.
    When they got back
    within the hour, they discovered the wall behind the stove on fire.
    The 9-1-1 firefighters diagnosed that the pipe bringing the gas into
    the
    house from the tank outside was broken when the stove was pushed back.


    (more snippage)

    Quoted message said:

    --Lia

    So it was the repairman from the gas who broke the pipe when he shoved the
    stove back against the wall?! I'm not one to suggest lawsuits but surely
    the gas company should be assuming some responsibility for this problem in
    the first place. Your parents would never be considering replacing (or
    being fearful of) the stove were it not for the fault of the repairman.

    Jill

  7. jmcquown said:

    So it was the repairman from the gas who broke the pipe when he shoved the
    stove back against the wall?! I'm not one to suggest lawsuits but surely
    the gas company should be assuming some responsibility for this problem in
    the first place. Your parents would never be considering replacing (or
    being fearful of) the stove were it not for the fault of the repairman.

    That's the first thing I thought of when my parents told me what
    happened. The gas company is well aware of their culpability. It's all
    in the hands of the insurance companies now. They get to duke it out,
    not my parents. If there's a lawsuit, my parents' insurance company
    will bring suit against the gas company's insurance company. My parents
    will be left out of it.

    Insurance is covering a lot-- cleaning, smoke damage, replacing the
    wall, repairs. They even covered a hotel stay when the smoke odor was
    aggravating my mother's allergies. My mother says they've never done so
    much in terms of home repairs at one time before. It's a lot of
    decisions and trouble for them, but also, I think, a lot of fun.

    --Lia

  8. Julia Altshuler said:

    They get high quality take-out a lot. (We're talking gourmet stores,
    not fast food.) They eat out a lot. I'm guessing that a typical day
    for them would be a breakfast of cereal, fruit and toast (no cooking),
    lunch out at a niceish restaurant (no cooking) and a simple dinner
    consisting of the leftovers from lunch or some cold cuts or something
    from a gourmet store (little cooking).

    My father was considering not replacing the gas stove at all and just
    getting by with the microwave.

    They're considering replacing the gas stove because of the fire.

    First, I am glad they were not hurt in the fire.

    From your comments, it sounds like they would be served well by
    purchasing a plain, simple unit, whether it is gas or electric. People
    who know them well, would never suggest they purchase anything complex.

    Before I moved out of my house, my next door neighbor smelled gas, so
    she called the gas company. A pipe had broken where the gas entered my
    home, so they turned the gas off. I found the notice on my door when I
    came home from work. A plumber repaired the pipe, but I was not
    prepared for the bill from the gas company. I do not know how long it
    leaked, but the bill was about $1,800. That is more than I pay for
    natural gas in 2-3 years. LOL At least nobody was hurt.

    Becca

  9. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Mr Libido Incognito said:

    Julia Altshuler wrote on 15 May 2007 in rec.food.cooking

    Quoted message said:

    I'm leaning towards advising them to stick with gas but thought I'd get
    other opinions here.

    Induction burners are the next best thing to gas...Only you need
    'special' pots and pans...the pans have to be able to allow a magnet to
    stick to them. In other words aluminum pans won't work on them...not sure
    about some Stainless Steel...As the burner works using magnetic fields.
    Cast iron and regular steel work just fine...I have several steel no stick
    pans that work a treat.

    The burners are reasonably fast to respond to temp changes and get a pan
    hot faster than an electric stove almost as fast as gas. If warming up
    soup and the ocassional meal from scratch are their only duty they will
    suffice very nicely...When I pan fry a egg on my induction hotplate...I
    get very even heat over the entire pan bottom, much better then when using
    a electric or even a gas burner. But my gas burner experience is
    limited...If I had the bucks I'd go to an induction range in a heartbeat.
    But that's me.

    I thourghly enjoy using my induction hotplate.

    That is really good to know! Gas isn't available where I live and I
    miss it terribly. OK LP is available but I really don't want to store
    that much and it isn't as consistent as natural gas. We use it in an
    outdoor grill and that is enough. My glass-top is easy to clean but the
    lack of quick response is just so annoying. So, our next range is going
    to be induction even if that means a hob. All my cookware is induction
    ready since I've been planning on this for some time now.

    Quoted message said:

    There is the safety issue...Induction burners are safer as there is no
    heat or open flames other than reflected heat from the 'warm' pan. And
    they do use less power than a electric range.

    Occassionally I leave burners on my electric range on by accident (maybe
    once a yr). Which is a fire hazard and a bad thing and I ain't eighty. I
    think a gas stove with the open flame would be an even worse safety
    hazard. Induction burners wouldn't be as hazardous in that aspect.

    Once learning how to turn it on and basic dial control I don't see your
    parents having a problem with induction...hell it tok me a month or 2 to
    get used to my electric stove knobs and oven features.

  10. Emma Thackery said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Mr Libido Incognito said:

    Julia Altshuler wrote on 15 May 2007 in rec.food.cooking

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I'm leaning towards advising them to stick with gas but thought I'd get
    other opinions here.

    Quoted message said:

    Induction burners are the next best thing to gas...Only you need
    'special' pots and pans...the pans have to be able to allow a magnet to
    stick to them. In other words aluminum pans won't work on them...not sure
    about some Stainless Steel...As the burner works using  magnetic fields.
    Cast iron and regular steel work just fine...I have several steel no stick
    pans that work a treat.

    Quoted message said:

    The burners are reasonably fast to respond to temp changes and get a pan  
    hot faster than an electric stove almost as fast as gas. If warming up
    soup and the ocassional meal from scratch are their only duty they will
    suffice very nicely...When I pan fry a egg on my induction hotplate...I
    get very even heat over the entire pan bottom, much better then when using
    a electric or even a gas burner. But my gas burner experience is
    limited...If I had the bucks I'd go to an induction range in a heartbeat.
    But that's me.

    Quoted message said:

    I thourghly enjoy using my induction hotplate.

    That is really good to know!  Gas isn't available where I live and I
    miss it terribly.  OK LP is available but I really don't want to store
    that much and it isn't as consistent as natural gas.  We use it in an
    outdoor grill and that is enough.

    You're not making any sense, nor is there any truth to anything you
    wrote.

  11. Julia Altshuler said:

    My parents are considering replacing their gas stove with an induction
    one. They say the new range would be part induction and part electric.
    (Honestly, that doesn't make any sense to me so if y'all want to clear
    that up, I'd appreciate it.)

    It does not make sense to me, either. Maybe they mean that the oven, if
    it is a part of the stove, is a conventional electric one.

    I do not have an induction range, but I have cooked on one at friends'.
    I can say that if I were in the market for a new range now, an induction
    one would be at the top of my list. Given suitable (i.e.
    magnetic-based) cookware, "normal" cooking is as comfortable and
    efficient as on a gas range. Induction ranges are as responsive and
    fast as any gas ones. Their great advantages are the absence of the
    potentially dangerous open flame or the heat of the range itself, as
    only the cookware gets hot, and also of the dirt coming from burning gas
    (as *some* dirt is always produced). They are rather safer to use than
    any conventional alternative. Their disadvantages are a necessity of
    suitable cookware with flat, smooth bottoms, so such vessels as woks and
    cauldrons with concave bottoms used for such dishes as the Uzbek plov
    are effectively out. Also, one has no open flame for singing peppers,
    for example, or pin feathers of poultry or game, should it become
    necessary. You also have to consider a higher initial cost of an
    induction range. It is more economical in actual use, though.

    See also <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_cooker>.

    Victor

  12. "Victor Sack" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Julia Altshuler said:

    My parents are considering replacing their gas stove with an induction
    one. They say the new range would be part induction and part electric.
    (Honestly, that doesn't make any sense to me so if y'all want to clear
    that up, I'd appreciate it.)

    It does not make sense to me, either. Maybe they mean that the oven, if
    it is a part of the stove, is a conventional electric one.

    There are units available that have BOTH induction and coil "burners" on the
    same cooktop. Usually 2 of each.

  13. Julia Altshuler said:

    My parents are considering replacing their gas stove with an induction
    one. They say the new range would be part induction and part electric.
    (Honestly, that doesn't make any sense to me so if y'all want to clear
    that up, I'd appreciate it.)

    If all your pans are not induction-able, you will have at least one
    burner you can use for those other pans.

    Sue(tm)
    Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

  14. Julia Altshuler said:

    I'm leaning towards advising them to stick with gas but thought I'd get
    other opinions here.

    Induction is wonderful. I've cooked with gas, with traditional (cast
    iron) electric, with glasstop electric, induction beats them all - and
    I should know, I've been using it for almost 9 years. The learning
    curve lasts for 5 minutes, you can get high heat the way you do with
    gas, you can simmer perfectly the way you do with traditional
    electric, it's extremely safe (stops if there's a big spill, stops if
    there's no pot on the plate, and you can't get a really bad burn with
    it), and it's the most efficient cooktop there is (IIRC, the ration
    between energy produced/energy actually used is 40% with gas, 50% with
    traditional electric, 70% with glasstop electric, and 90% with
    induction). It's also a breeze to clean.

    Nathalie in Switzerland

  15. On Wed, 16 May 2007 04:46:48 GMT, [email hidden] (Curly

    Sue) said:
    Julia Altshuler said:

    My parents are considering replacing their gas stove with an induction
    one. They say the new range would be part induction and part electric.
    (Honestly, that doesn't make any sense to me so if y'all want to clear
    that up, I'd appreciate it.)

    If all your pans are not induction-able, you will have at least one
    burner you can use for those other pans.

    Yes, but cooking on induction is so nice that all the people I know
    who have a dual cooktop end up using hte non-induction part only
    occasionally (when the induction plates are already in use) and
    wishing they had bought an all-induction cooktop.

    Nathalie in Switzerland

  16. Nathalie Chiva said:

    Induction is wonderful. I've cooked with gas, with traditional (cast
    iron) electric, with glasstop electric, induction beats them all - and
    I should know, I've been using it for almost 9 years. The learning
    curve lasts for 5 minutes, you can get high heat the way you do with
    gas, you can simmer perfectly the way you do with traditional
    electric, it's extremely safe (stops if there's a big spill, stops if
    there's no pot on the plate, and you can't get a really bad burn with
    it), and it's the most efficient cooktop there is (IIRC, the ration
    between energy produced/energy actually used is 40% with gas, 50% with
    traditional electric, 70% with glasstop electric, and 90% with
    induction). It's also a breeze to clean.

    Oh dear. I am glad you wrote, but this throws a monkey wrench into the
    conversation I had with my mother last night. She told me about
    shopping for a new stove. (It made me glad all over again that I moved
    from Miami. Saleshelp is consistently so rude there that Mom has
    stopped recognizing it as such. A salesclerk, a complete stranger to my
    mother, asked her if her children were O.K. with her spending so much on
    a new stove. Mom just said that her children were fine. I suggested
    that a better answer might have been that it's none of her business what
    her children think or even if she has any.) Anyway, I told Mom that I
    favored gas. Now I'll forward her your post.

    --Lia

  17. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Nathalie Chiva said:
    Julia Altshuler said:

    I'm leaning towards advising them to stick with gas but thought I'd get
    other opinions here.

    Induction is wonderful. I've cooked with gas, with traditional (cast
    iron) electric, with glasstop electric, induction beats them all - and
    I should know, I've been using it for almost 9 years. The learning
    curve lasts for 5 minutes, you can get high heat the way you do with
    gas, you can simmer perfectly the way you do with traditional
    electric, it's extremely safe (stops if there's a big spill, stops if
    there's no pot on the plate, and you can't get a really bad burn with
    it), and it's the most efficient cooktop there is (IIRC, the ration
    between energy produced/energy actually used is 40% with gas, 50% with
    traditional electric, 70% with glasstop electric, and 90% with
    induction). It's also a breeze to clean.

    Nathalie in Switzerland

    More good news--- like flowers dropping out of the sky. I'm so glad I'm
    aiming for induction. Thanks 🙂

  18. Kathy said:

    There are units available that have BOTH induction and coil "burners" on the
    same cooktop. Usually 2 of each.

    Thanks for the info. I'm surprised. Combining induction and gas would
    make some sense, as there are some real benefits to the open flame, but
    induction and conventional electric makes no sense at all, unless you
    have mountains of non-magnetic cookware you are compelled to keep using.

    Victor

  19. Victor Sack wrote on 16 May 2007 in rec.food.cooking

    Quoted message said:

    Combining induction and gas would
    make some sense, as there are some real benefits to the open flame, but
    induction and conventional electric makes no sense at all, unless you
    have mountains of non-magnetic cookware you are compelled to keep using.

    Where I live there isn't a house without electrical service availible. But
    there are houses without Gas service.

    Population of my city...3/4 or so million (last time I checked).

    You can make roasted red peppers in the oven. Using the broiler.
    Or get a propane torch.

  20. "Mr Libido Incognito" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Victor Sack wrote on 16 May 2007 in rec.food.cooking

    Quoted message said:

    Combining induction and gas would
    make some sense, as there are some real benefits to the open
    flame, but
    induction and conventional electric makes no sense at all,
    unless you
    have mountains of non-magnetic cookware you are compelled to
    keep using.

    Where I live there isn't a house without electrical service
    availible. But
    there are houses without Gas service.

    Population of my city...3/4 or so million (last time I
    checked).

    You can make roasted red peppers in the oven. Using the
    broiler.
    Or get a propane torch.

    I use the oven electric grill to cook peppers but I normally
    finish them off with my workshop propane torch to get the right
    smoky flavor. A number of Indian recipes also call for flame
    roasted eggplants and I use the same process, which only adds a
    few seconds to the cooking time. I do the flaming outside but
    fortunately I live in a quiet neigborhood and no-one has ever
    asked "What's that nut up to, burning vegetables?"

    --
    James Silverton
    Potomac, Maryland

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