Induction?: Atkins Vs. SB

I read, skimmed really, Atkins and Protein Power, and embarked on my own
version. I kept my carbs very low at first but ate things that were not on
the list. As I understand it, just keeping the carbs low gets you into
ketosis and appetite suppression. If that is what you are after just count
the carbs, Protein Power allows 30 in the first stage so if you stay under
that you will probably get a good start. You can apply the principles
without adhering to someone else's method. I lost fairly quickly at first
but have slowed down, but I am sedentary and don't work hard at "dieting",
eat some "fake" foods, just keep my carbs under 45 most of the time and my
calories average around 1800. Have lost a total of 54.5 lbs in 13 months
which is fine with me for the amount of effort I have put into it.

According to the people who are deeply into Atkins, the strict induction is
for you to discover foods that may trigger binges for you or to which you
may be allergic. If that is not a problem for you or you have done it
previously then you don't have to do it again. I had already given up wheat
products before I started low carbing as I suspected they were causing me
some problems, though I didn't have any dramatic results from that, but
wheat is a common trouble maker so you might want to add it in carefully
later, if at all.

As far as SB overselling itself, most diet programs do that. Some people
will have stellar results and they are used as the poster people for the
diet. They do not represent average results.

In news:[email hidden],
rageforthemachine <[email hidden]> stated
| Hi All,
| I am returning to low-carb. I gave it up because I thought being a
| single man without a kitchen I wasn't set up to go low carb. Now I
| realize, being a single man without a kitchen, if I don't eat LC I am
| going to eat processed junk instead. I originally was on Atkins, but
| have been looking into South Beach. The induction is less restrictive
| in SB, but I think I like the straightforwardness of Atkins better.
| Which does bring me to my question.
| Atkins heavily emphasizes the 20 carb limit during induction and
| absolutely no deviating on foods you can eat. In South Beach you are
| most likely going over that limit, but the South Beach book is filled
| with tales of heavy weight loss during induction, even greater claims
| than Atkins makes. Do you think it is cheating on Atkins induction if
| you eat foods allowed in SB's induction? Particularly I am thinking
| of soy, hummus, endamame, and the ricotta cheese deserts South Beach
| allows. I wonder why Atkins if so strict on the limit if it is not
| necessary for weight loss, or if SB is overselling itself.

Soy? Hummus? Endamame?

Are you sure you're a man?

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"rageforthemachine" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Hi All,
I am returning to low-carb. I gave it up because I thought being a
single man without a kitchen I wasn't set up to go low carb. Now I

realize,

Quoted message said:

being a single man without a kitchen, if I don't eat LC I am going to eat
processed junk instead. I originally was on Atkins, but have been looking
into South Beach. The induction is less restrictive in SB, but I think I
like the straightforwardness of Atkins better. Which does bring me to my
question.
Atkins heavily emphasizes the 20 carb limit during induction and
absolutely no deviating on foods you can eat. In South Beach you are most
likely going over that limit, but the South Beach book is filled with

tales

Quoted message said:

of heavy weight loss during induction, even greater claims than Atkins
makes. Do you think it is cheating on Atkins induction if you eat foods
allowed in SB's induction? Particularly I am thinking of soy, hummus,
endamame, and the ricotta cheese deserts South Beach allows. I wonder why
Atkins if so strict on the limit if it is not necessary for weight loss,

or

Quoted message said:

if SB is overselling itself.

rageforthemachine said:

Hi All,

<snip>Do you think it is cheating on Atkins induction if you eat foods

Quoted message said:

allowed in SB's induction? Particularly I am thinking of soy, hummus,
endamame, and the ricotta cheese deserts South Beach allows.

<snip>

Hi there rageforthemachine,

I believe it would probably be wise to steer clear of soy, at least, if
you are male. Due to its testosterone weakening effects in your system.

About the other stuff (hummus, endamame) I frankly do not know since
English is not my first language, but they sound like cow food 🙂

Sincerely,
Mark
--
98/78/78 kg

rageforthemachine wrote:
Hi All,
<snip>
Particularly I am thinking of soy, hummus,

Quoted message said:

endamame, and the ricotta cheese deserts South Beach allows.</snip>

Hi there rageforthemachine,

I believe it would probably be wise to steer clear of soy, at least, as
you are male. Due to its testosterone weakening effects in your system.

About the other stuff (hummus, endamame) I frankly do not know since
English is not my first language, but they sound like cow food 🙂

Sincerely,
Mark
--
98/78/78 kg

Mark from Suomi said:

rageforthemachine said:

Hi All,

<snip>Do you think it is cheating on Atkins induction if you eat foods

Quoted message said:

allowed in SB's induction? Particularly I am thinking of soy, hummus,
endamame, and the ricotta cheese deserts South Beach allows.

<snip>

Hi there rageforthemachine,

I believe it would probably be wise to steer clear of soy, at least, if
you are male. Due to its testosterone weakening effects in your system.

About the other stuff (hummus, endamame) I frankly do not know since
English is not my first language, but they sound like cow food 🙂

edamame are soy beans.

http://www.edamame.com/

hummus is a spread made from chick peas.

http://www.ritefoods.com/hummus.html

The Queen of Cans and Jars said:

Mark from Suomi said:

rageforthemachine said:

Hi All,

<snip>Do you think it is cheating on Atkins induction if you eat foods

Quoted message said:

allowed in SB's induction? Particularly I am thinking of soy, hummus,
endamame, and the ricotta cheese deserts South Beach allows.

<snip>

--

Quoted message said:

edamame are soy beans.

http://www.edamame.com/

hummus is a spread made from chick peas.

http://www.ritefoods.com/hummus.html

--

Ah OK, thanks QC&J for the clarification - so it turns out I've eaten
"hummus" in Greece, which was not that bad (although pretty tasteless to
me but maybe the restaurant serving it was not too good, who knows).

Edamame - dunno? Probably nothing a human being can't survive being
without...? 🙂

Sincerely,
Mark
--
98/78/78 kg

My impression was that SB ruled out some of high fat things that Atkins
allows so that if you did that you could eat some of the SB things.

rageforthemachine said:

Hi All,
I am returning to low-carb. I gave it up because I thought being a
single man without a kitchen I wasn't set up to go low carb. Now I realize,
being a single man without a kitchen, if I don't eat LC I am going to eat
processed junk instead. I originally was on Atkins, but have been looking
into South Beach. The induction is less restrictive in SB, but I think I
like the straightforwardness of Atkins better. Which does bring me to my
question.
Atkins heavily emphasizes the 20 carb limit during induction and
absolutely no deviating on foods you can eat. In South Beach you are most
likely going over that limit, but the South Beach book is filled with tales
of heavy weight loss during induction, even greater claims than Atkins
makes. Do you think it is cheating on Atkins induction if you eat foods
allowed in SB's induction? Particularly I am thinking of soy, hummus,
endamame, and the ricotta cheese deserts South Beach allows. I wonder why
Atkins if so strict on the limit if it is not necessary for weight loss, or
if SB is overselling itself.

Mark from Suomi said:

The Queen of Cans and Jars said:

Mark from Suomi said:

rageforthemachine wrote:

>Hi All,

<snip>Do you think it is cheating on Atkins induction if you eat foods

>allowed in SB's induction? Particularly I am thinking of soy, hummus,
>endamame, and the ricotta cheese deserts South Beach allows.

<snip>

--

Quoted message said:

edamame are soy beans.

http://www.edamame.com/

hummus is a spread made from chick peas.

http://www.ritefoods.com/hummus.html

--

Ah OK, thanks QC&J for the clarification - so it turns out I've eaten
"hummus" in Greece, which was not that bad (although pretty tasteless to
me but maybe the restaurant serving it was not too good, who knows).

good hummus is good. i sometimes get it at the store, the kind with
garlic and artichoke hearts in it. it's very tasty.

Quoted message said:

Edamame - dunno? Probably nothing a human being can't survive being
without...? 🙂

definitely something we can survive without. i find them rather bland.
my favorite japanese restaurant serves them as an appetizer and i
usually skip them altogether. they just don't do much for me.