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  1. Dear ....

    Thank you very much for your email and I am sorry for the delay in
    replying but there are many very important bills before Parliament at
    the moment and the correspondence is abnormally high.

    I very much understand the concerns that you have about ensuring that
    conditions on the road are improved to make cycling safer.

    I believe that drivers should be reminded of how to deal safely with
    cyclists and how much space they should realistically leave. I must
    however point out that I am continually frustrated by cyclists who are
    riding two abreast thereby making it completely dangerous to take over
    take because it would effectively mean I had to go over the white line
    into the path of on-coming traffic. Relationships between cyclists and
    drivers should be a two way flow.

    I also believe there should be a large increase in the availability of
    cycling proficiency classes.

    I have noted that the Road Safety Bill is yet to complete its passage
    through the House of Commons, but I shall bear your comments in mind
    ahead of future parliamentary debate.

    Thank you for taking the time to contact me.

    Yours sincerely

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    I was not very pleased with this as it is the second correspondence from
    this office which has been either incorrect or in this case total clap trap.

    I have replied:

    Sir,

    I can hardly believe what you have written, are you suggesting that if a
    cyclist were riding along the road way you consider it normal practice
    to attempt to squeeze past between the cyclist and the white line? In
    doing so you would not be leaving a sufficient gap as described in the
    highway code.

    I am constantly surprised by the lack of knowledge exhibited by members
    of parliament on what should be fairly obvious questions but to blame
    the cyclist for the inability of the motorist to acknowledge their
    responsibility to drive correctly is somewhat of a disappointment.

    The trend toward separation, attempts to introduce mandatory helmet laws
    etc etc have led many to think there is an active campaign by the
    wishful thinking, it's common sense brigade to reduce the roads to the
    preserve of the powered vehicle.

    It is my view that a few more prosecutions of drivers for careless or
    dangerous driving along with better publicity for sentencing and
    disqualification would do more than any other measure so far taken; and
    yes I am a motorist as well as a cyclist.

    Whilst cycling proficiency classes are useful in the first stages of
    cycling they will have little effect on the overall structure of our
    road scene as they fail to address the major cause of conflict, the
    driver. It is the motorist who has over the last two or three decades
    come to regard the roadway as their exclusive property that is the seat
    of the problem on our roads.

    Yours etc etc

    What does the pannel think? Is the inability of parliament to legislate
    or motorists to drive safely due to cyclist riding two abreast?

    Sniper8052

  2. Sniper8052(L96A1) said:

    What does the pannel think?

    I can only speak for myself...

    Quoted message said:

    Is the inability of parliament to legislate or motorists to drive safely


    due to cyclist riding two abreast?

    Obviously not. The inability of parliament is due to the inability of its
    members. Motorists are responsible for their own actions, not that they are
    often held accountable for them.
    --
    Chris

    It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
    -- Gore Vidal

  3. Sniper8052(L96A1) said the following on 04/11/2006 07:11:
    (Quoting)

    Quoted message said:

    I believe that drivers should be reminded of how to deal safely with
    cyclists and how much space they should realistically leave. I must
    however point out that I am continually frustrated by cyclists who are
    riding two abreast thereby making it completely dangerous to take over
    take because it would effectively mean I had to go over the white line
    into the path of on-coming traffic.

    An MP wrote that? [censored] - what chance is there if the people that
    supposedly run the country haven't got a clue?

    How about waiting until it's actually safe to overtake, not "had to go
    over the white line into the path of on-coming traffic"? If there's
    oncoming traffic, it isn't safe to overtake, so you don't cross the line
    but wait. Simple, isn't it? Would this MP take the same attitude
    towards horse riders, or in country roads/lanes towards families out for
    a walk?

    Incredible.

    --
    Paul Boyd
    http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

  4. Paul Boyd said:

    Sniper8052(L96A1) said the following on 04/11/2006 07:11:
    (Quoting)

    Quoted message said:

    I believe that drivers should be reminded of how to deal safely with
    cyclists and how much space they should realistically leave. I must
    however point out that I am continually frustrated by cyclists who are
    riding two abreast .................

    Constantly??!!??!! CONSTANTLY !!!!!???!!!!
    When the vast, vast majority of cyclists are solitary creatures?
    s/he's making it up!

    Disgusted of East Kilbride

  5. Sniper8052(L96A1) said:

    What does the pannel think? Is the inability of parliament to legislate
    or motorists to drive safely due to cyclist riding two abreast?

    Sniper8052

    I have a feeling if you pressed him this person would admit that he has
    never been held up by two-abreast cyclists, though perhaps a friend of a
    brother's cousin has once, for 10 seconds, lol.

  6. In article <[email hidden]>,

    () said:
    Sniper8052(L96A1) said:

    What does the pannel think? Is the inability of parliament to


    legislate or motorists to drive safely due to cyclist riding two

    Quoted message said:

    abreast?

    Sniper8052

    I have a feeling if you pressed him this person would admit that he
    has never been held up by two-abreast cyclists, though perhaps a friend
    of a brother's cousin has once, for 10 seconds, lol.

    Quite. It's one of those poor excuses that ignorant people tend to
    advance.

  7. Quoted message said:

    I can hardly believe what you have written, are you suggesting that if a
    cyclist were riding along the road way you consider it normal practice
    to attempt to squeeze past between the cyclist and the white line? In
    doing so you would not be leaving a sufficient gap as described in the
    highway code.

    Many two-lane roads have the left lane much wider than is normal. This
    allows cars to safely overtake a cyclist without having to go into the
    other lane. A million times better than a cycle lane, IMO.

  8. Sniper8052(L96A1) said:

    I must
    however point out that I am continually frustrated by cyclists who are
    riding two abreast thereby making it completely dangerous to take over
    take because it would effectively mean I had to go over the white line
    into the path of on-coming traffic.

    Refer the MP to the Highway Code, regulation 51:

    "You should
    ....
    not ride more than two abreast"

    The use of *should* means that it is not a legal requirement, and as
    you can see the regulation allows two abreast, just encouraging no more
    than two.

    PhilD

    --
    <><

  9. On Sat, 04 Nov 2006 08:05:59 +0000, Paul Boyd <usenet.dont.work@plusnet>

    Quoted message said:

    Sniper8052(L96A1) said the following on 04/11/2006 07:11:
    (Quoting)

    Quoted message said:

    I believe that drivers should be reminded of how to deal safely with
    cyclists and how much space they should realistically leave. I must
    however point out that I am continually frustrated by cyclists who are
    riding two abreast thereby making it completely dangerous to take over
    take because it would effectively mean I had to go over the white line
    into the path of on-coming traffic.

    An MP wrote that? [censored] - what chance is there if the people that
    supposedly run the country haven't got a clue?

    How about waiting until it's actually safe to overtake, not "had to go
    over the white line into the path of on-coming traffic"? If there's
    oncoming traffic, it isn't safe to overtake, so you don't cross the line
    but wait. Simple, isn't it? Would this MP take the same attitude
    towards horse riders, or in country roads/lanes towards families out for
    a walk?

    Incredible.

    How in the world does this guy pass a car if he can't figure out how to
    pass two cyclists.

    Actually <sarcasm> it's simple. Just run them over and pay the small fine.
    ;-)

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