Inconsiderate Cycling?

In article said:

ISTR that Daniel Cadden was charged with inconsiderate cycling. Is there
actually such an offence, and if there is, is there a 'motorised'
equivalent?

There's "driving without due consideration".

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/section9/chapter_b.html#17
Careless driving and driving without due consideration - Section 3 RTA 1988.

(Alan Braggins) said:

In article said:

ISTR that Daniel Cadden was charged with inconsiderate cycling. Is there
actually such an offence, and if there is, is there a 'motorised'
equivalent?There's "driving without due consideration".

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/section9/chapter_b.html#17
Careless driving and driving without due consideration - Section 3 RTA 1988.

It's worth looking at section 29 too:
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/ACTS/acts1988/Ukpga_19880052_en_2.htm#mdiv29

"If a person rides a cycle on a road without due care and attention,
or without reasonable consideration for other persons using the road,
he is guilty of an offence.In this section "road" includes a
bridleway."

And so on.

In article <[email hidden]>, Budstaff
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

I found myself following a born again/one foot in the grave biker on a big
Harley this morning. Single carriageway national limit and he was doing
20mph at most.

Any faster and his teeth would have rattled out. :-)

Budstaff said:

I found myself following a born again/one foot in the grave biker on a big
Harley this morning. Single carriageway national limit and he was doing
20mph at most. Funnily enough the police car in the queue made no attempt to
stop him.

If the vehicle in front spends more on petrol than those following it's
OK 😉

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Quoted message said:

I found myself following a born again/one foot in the grave biker on a big
Harley this morning. Single carriageway national limit and he was doing
20mph at most. Funnily enough the police car in the queue made no attempt
to stop him.

ISTR that Daniel Cadden was charged with inconsiderate cycling. Is there
actually such an offence, and if there is, is there a 'motorised'
equivalent?

There was a woman got done for driving at low speed between Crief and Perth
and caused a large tailback can't remember what happend in the end.
She claimed she had never driven at night before and had been caught out.

OTOH this is a motorcycle not a car, its taking up considerably less space
(ie why couldn't you get past, was the road narrow?)

It's the sort of thing that should be enforced better but all we ever get
while following a car crawlign at 35 through the highlands is the odd sign
saying "Pull over and let others past"

Niall

Budstaff said:

I found myself following a born again/one foot in the grave biker on a big
Harley this morning. Single carriageway national limit and he was doing
20mph at most. Funnily enough the police car in the queue made no attempt to
stop him.

ISTR that Daniel Cadden was charged with inconsiderate cycling. Is there
actually such an offence, and if there is, is there a 'motorised'
equivalent?

Here on the south coast, the temperature was about 1 degree (according
to my car's thermometer) this morning.

On two wheels, I would have been going carefully.

Al C-F said:

Here on the south coast, the temperature was about 1 degree (according
to my car's thermometer) this morning.

On two wheels, I would have been going carefully.

Rubbish. Your car's thermometer is wrong. At 08:30 the air temperature
in the coldest part of the UK (according to the METARS collected by
http://www.xcweather.co.uk/) was better than 3 degrees, and so I set off
with warm socks in my luverly new Lake winter booties, but no more cold
weather precautions than that.

Mike

Mike Causer said:

Al C-F said:

Here on the south coast, the temperature was about 1 degree (according
to my car's thermometer) this morning.

On two wheels, I would have been going carefully.

Rubbish. Your car's thermometer is wrong. At 08:30 the air temperature
in the coldest part of the UK (according to the METARS collected by
http://www.xcweather.co.uk/) was better than 3 degrees, and so I set off
with warm socks in my luverly new Lake winter booties, but no more cold
weather precautions than that.

Mike

You might be right, give or take a degree. However, when I started out
at 0615, it was decidedly parky.

Al C-F said:

You might be right, give or take a degree. However, when I started out
at 0615, it was decidedly parky.

But you were in a car.

Mike

Mike Causer said:

Al C-F said:

Here on the south coast, the temperature was about 1 degree
(according to my car's thermometer) this morning.

On two wheels, I would have been going carefully.

Rubbish. Your car's thermometer is wrong. At 08:30 the air
temperature in the coldest part of the UK (according to the METARS
collected by http://www.xcweather.co.uk/) was better than 3 degrees,
and so I set off with warm socks in my luverly new Lake winter
booties, but no more cold weather precautions than that.

My car was still solidy frozen at 9am (london sw19)

pk

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to tell us:

Quoted message said:

Al C-F said:

Here on the south coast, the temperature was about 1 degree
(according to my car's thermometer) this morning.

On two wheels, I would have been going carefully.

Rubbish. Your car's thermometer is wrong. At 08:30 the air
temperature in the coldest part of the UK (according to the METARS
collected by http://www.xcweather.co.uk/) was better than 3 degrees,
and so I set off with warm socks in my luverly new Lake winter
booties, but no more cold weather precautions than that.

At about 07:30 yesterda in rural Essex there was frost on the fields and ice
on car windows and country roads. I know this because I nearly fell off :-(

--
Dave Larrington
<http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk>
Every establishment needs an opposition.

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Quoted message said:

I found myself following a born again/one foot in the grave biker on a big
Harley this morning. Single carriageway national limit and he was doing
20mph at most. Funnily enough the police car in the queue made no attempt
to stop him.

ISTR that Daniel Cadden was charged with inconsiderate cycling. Is there
actually such an offence, and if there is, is there a 'motorised'
equivalent?

There was a woman got done for driving at low speed between Crief and
Perth and caused a large tailback can't remember what happend in the end.
She claimed she had never driven at night before and had been caught out.

OTOH this is a motorcycle not a car, its taking up considerably less space
(ie why couldn't you get past, was the road narrow?)

It was a _Harley_! ;-)

(and I forgot to mention the double solid whites down the middle)

Quoted message said:

It's the sort of thing that should be enforced better but all we ever get
while following a car crawlign at 35 through the highlands is the odd sign
saying "Pull over and let others past"

Niall

On 31 Jan 2007 23:31:20 GMT, Mike Causer <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Al C-F said:

Here on the south coast, the temperature was about 1 degree (according
to my car's thermometer) this morning.

On two wheels, I would have been going carefully.

Rubbish. Your car's thermometer is wrong. At 08:30 the air temperature
in the coldest part of the UK (according to the METARS collected by
http://www.xcweather.co.uk/) was better than 3 degrees, and so I set off
with warm socks in my luverly new Lake winter booties, but no more cold
weather precautions than that.

Be aware that not every square metre of the country in monitored. It is
perfectly possible to hear someone say, quite accurately, that the lowest
_monitored_ temperature was x degrees but to still have, yourself, encountered
temperatures of x-n degrees.

In article said:

On 31 Jan 2007 23:31:20 GMT, Mike Causer <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Al C-F said:

Here on the south coast, the temperature was about 1 degree (according
to my car's thermometer) this morning.

On two wheels, I would have been going carefully.

Rubbish. Your car's thermometer is wrong. At 08:30 the air temperature
in the coldest part of the UK (according to the METARS collected by
http://www.xcweather.co.uk/) was better than 3 degrees, and so I set off
with warm socks in my luverly new Lake winter booties, but no more cold
weather precautions than that.

Be aware that not every square metre of the country in monitored. It is
perfectly possible to hear someone say, quite accurately, that the lowest
_monitored_ temperature was x degrees but to still have, yourself, encountered
temperatures of x-n degrees.

It's also possible for the ground temperature or the temperature of the
outside surface of a car to be colder than the air temperature, just as
it can be hotter than the air in sunlight. So there can be ice about
even if the air temperature is above freezing.
(Whether this makes the car thermometer "wrong" depends on what it claims
to measure.)

Budstaff said:

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Quoted message said:

I found myself following a born again/one foot in the grave biker on a big
Harley this morning. Single carriageway national limit and he was doing
20mph at most. Funnily enough the police car in the queue made no attempt
to stop him.

ISTR that Daniel Cadden was charged with inconsiderate cycling. Is there
actually such an offence, and if there is, is there a 'motorised'
equivalent?

There was a woman got done for driving at low speed between Crief and
Perth and caused a large tailback can't remember what happend in the end.
She claimed she had never driven at night before and had been caught out.

OTOH this is a motorcycle not a car, its taking up considerably less space
(ie why couldn't you get past, was the road narrow?)

Quoted message said:

It was a _Harley_! ;-)

Exactly. Quite dangerous and uncomfortable to ride one of those
traction engines fast, and although they're often quite narrow
compared to a Japanese motorcycle, the riders are often pretty wide
and like to ride in the imperial male teenage manner of arms and legs
stretched out and spread apart. It's the motorcycling equivalent of
high heels.

--
Chris Malcolm [email hidden] DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

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Budstaff said:

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"Budstaff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>I found myself following a born again/one foot in the grave biker on a
>big
>Harley this morning. Single carriageway national limit and he was doing
>20mph at most. Funnily enough the police car in the queue made no
>attempt
>to stop him.
>
> ISTR that Daniel Cadden was charged with inconsiderate cycling. Is
> there
> actually such an offence, and if there is, is there a 'motorised'
> equivalent?

There was a woman got done for driving at low speed between Crief and
Perth and caused a large tailback can't remember what happend in the
end.
She claimed she had never driven at night before and had been caught
out.

OTOH this is a motorcycle not a car, its taking up considerably less
space
(ie why couldn't you get past, was the road narrow?)

Quoted message said:

It was a _Harley_! ;-)

Exactly. Quite dangerous and uncomfortable to ride one of those
traction engines fast, and although they're often quite narrow
compared to a Japanese motorcycle, the riders are often pretty wide
and like to ride in the imperial male teenage manner of arms and legs
stretched out and spread apart. It's the motorcycling equivalent of
high heels.

Having only seen one moving once I'm not really aware of their size.

The double white lines of course wouldn't help your ability to pass unless
it had dropped below 10mph and you confused it with a Road Roller.
(Somehow the options of confusing it with a bicycle or a horse were less
appropriate)

Niall

Alan Braggins said:

(Whether this makes the car thermometer "wrong" depends on what it claims
to measure.)

Temperature, of course. :-)

Niall Wallace said:

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Budstaff said:

"Niall Wallace" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>
> "Budstaff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...
>>I found myself following a born again/one foot in the grave biker on a
>>big
>>Harley this morning. Single carriageway national limit and he was doing
>>20mph at most. Funnily enough the police car in the queue made no
>>attempt
>>to stop him.
>>
>> ISTR that Daniel Cadden was charged with inconsiderate cycling. Is
>> there
>> actually such an offence, and if there is, is there a 'motorised'
>> equivalent?
>
> There was a woman got done for driving at low speed between Crief and
> Perth and caused a large tailback can't remember what happend in the
> end.
> She claimed she had never driven at night before and had been caught
> out.
>
> OTOH this is a motorcycle not a car, its taking up considerably less
> space
> (ie why couldn't you get past, was the road narrow?)

Quoted message said:

It was a _Harley_! ;-)

Exactly. Quite dangerous and uncomfortable to ride one of those
traction engines fast, and although they're often quite narrow
compared to a Japanese motorcycle, the riders are often pretty wide
and like to ride in the imperial male teenage manner of arms and legs
stretched out and spread apart. It's the motorcycling equivalent of
high heels.

Having only seen one moving once I'm not really aware of their size.

big heavy lumps, suited to american roads some what less to uk, there
ablity to stop and navigate courners is low.

insidently its tends to be old than the younger riders who like and ride
harleys, their performace and cost make them a older persons bike.

insidently there are real problems with born again bikers who jump back
on to bikes, not taking into account the massive difernace in perfomace,
the roads in mid wales claim a fair number of these every year.

Quoted message said:

The double white lines of course wouldn't help your ability to pass unless
it had dropped below 10mph and you confused it with a Road Roller.
(Somehow the options of confusing it with a bicycle or a horse were less
appropriate)

Niall

roger

Roger Merriman said:

Niall Wallace <[email hidden]> wrote:

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Budstaff <[email hidden]> wrote:

> "Niall Wallace" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Budstaff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>> news:[email hidden]...
>>>I found myself following a born again/one foot in the grave biker on a
>>>big
>>>Harley this morning. Single carriageway national limit and he was doing
>>>20mph at most. Funnily enough the police car in the queue made no
>>>attempt
>>>to stop him.
>>>
>>> ISTR that Daniel Cadden was charged with inconsiderate cycling. Is
>>> there
>>> actually such an offence, and if there is, is there a 'motorised'
>>> equivalent?
>>
>> There was a woman got done for driving at low speed between Crief and
>> Perth and caused a large tailback can't remember what happend in the
>> end.
>> She claimed she had never driven at night before and had been caught
>> out.
>>
>> OTOH this is a motorcycle not a car, its taking up considerably less
>> space
>> (ie why couldn't you get past, was the road narrow?)

> It was a _Harley_! ;-)

Exactly. Quite dangerous and uncomfortable to ride one of those
traction engines fast, and although they're often quite narrow
compared to a Japanese motorcycle, the riders are often pretty wide
and like to ride in the imperial male teenage manner of arms and legs
stretched out and spread apart. It's the motorcycling equivalent of
high heels.

Having only seen one moving once I'm not really aware of their size.

big heavy lumps, suited to american roads some what less to uk, there
ablity to stop and navigate courners is low.

Quoted message said:

insidently its tends to be old than the younger riders who like and ride
harleys, their performace and cost make them a older persons bike.

And their riding position with the rider's feet far forward and the
hands high, is not much good for control, but it is the familiar car
driving position. They're targeted at the older car driver in search
of the inner teenager.

--
Chris Malcolm [email hidden] DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]