In Their Own Words

Quoted message said:

"Those who are clean need to talk, to let themselves be heard and to unite,"
Verbruggen said.

Guess why nobody is talking...

"B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

David. M. 1/21/04 BBC Sport:

"All I can say is that it's not a Cofidis problem, and it's certainly got
nothing to do with me," said the world time trial champion.

Sylvain Chavanel in CyclingNews

"In the Cofidis affair, it's three riders who were trafficking," he added.
"Cycling today doesn't earn the same treatment as other sports. When someone
like John McEnroe admits to doping, it gets a day of coverage. Does someone
like Rutkiewicz, who barely anyone knew, deserve months of headlines?"

Chris Hoy in CyclingNews:

"Some people don't just suspect we might be on drugs, they assume we are.

"Road and track cycling are like two separate sports and we don't have the
same problems," he added. "I can put my hand on my heart and say I've never
taken drugs."

Lance Armstrong in CyclingNews:

"I've said it before and I will repeat it: I believe that I am the most
tested athlete on this planet, I have never had a single positive doping
test, and I do not take performance enhancing drugs.

"Every sport has doping problems. Cycling is certainly a sport that has had
problems. But who can deny that we have cleaned it up?...The Tour de France
is one of the most controlled sports events in the world."

Belda in CyclingNews:

"Manzano is not speaking the truth. Our lawyers are looking into this. It
makes me sick to hear what Manzano is spreading. It casts doubt on the
entire peloton."

Belda added, "It's clear that doping exists in all sports, but not all
sportsmen are dopers or drug addicts as [Manzano] insinuates."

UCI speaks in CyclingNews:

"Since the beginning of the year, cycling has been the focus of numerous
attacks which have severely prejudiced the image of our sport and the honour
of its participants," said a UCI statement, quoted in l'Equipe.

Calling Manzano a rider "not beyond reproach," the UCI regretted the
continued practice of doping in the peloton but asserted that the majority
of riders are clean, citing a figure that blood tests show more than 90% of
the peloton to be clean.

Hein Vergruggen in CyclingNews:

"Those who are clean need to talk, to let themselves be heard and to unite,"
Verbruggen said. "When the best cyclist in the world says 'I'm clean', that
carries a lot of weight. This message gives Armstrong a new responsibility
vis-a-vis the other riders.

"[Armstrong] has a moral responsibility since finding unity among the riders
is not an easy task," Verbruggen added. "He's a smart guy. He can see his
sport is suffering."

I'm reminded of an interview with Finnish nordic skier Virpi Kuitunen
immediatly after she won the first half of the pursuit at World
Championships in Lahti, in which the reporter asked her about doping
on the Finnish men's team (they had just been busted) and she said
"That's got nothing to do with me."

JT

From VN Friday, June 25 mailbag:

Let's call the whole thing off...
Editors,
With all the revelations as to drug use in cycling this year, it is
clear that the boys and girls are spitting in and spoiling their pot
of soup. I suggest that the sport be fully suspended at the pro level
for the 2005 season to allow all of these people, from the UCI on down
the food chain to the soigneurs, an opportunity to reflect on what
they are in the process of destroying.

Brian Lafferty
Longmeadow, Massachusetts

Yeah, shutting down the entire sport for a year will have a positive
effect. Why, it's practically guarranteed to clear up the whole thing
and sponsors will flock to cycling as a monument to clean, fair
sportsmanship! Trusting law officers and courts to clean this mess
up, along with assistance from UCI and WADA is clearly accomplishing
nothing. Police and detective work, along with rules and laws are
probably even more responsible for the continuing use of doping than
the pressures of making it at the elite level of a sport.

Now if you'll excuse me, after hearing the news of David being banned
from the TdF, I need to go cry my eyes out on my bed, with the David
Millar/Cofidis sheets and pillow cases.

*sniffle*

"B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

David. M. 1/21/04 BBC Sport:

"All I can say is that it's not a Cofidis problem, and it's certainly got
nothing to do with me," said the world time trial champion.

Sylvain Chavanel in CyclingNews

"In the Cofidis affair, it's three riders who were trafficking," he added.
"Cycling today doesn't earn the same treatment as other sports. When someone
like John McEnroe admits to doping, it gets a day of coverage. Does someone
like Rutkiewicz, who barely anyone knew, deserve months of headlines?"

Chris Hoy in CyclingNews:

"Some people don't just suspect we might be on drugs, they assume we are.

"Road and track cycling are like two separate sports and we don't have the
same problems," he added. "I can put my hand on my heart and say I've never
taken drugs."

Lance Armstrong in CyclingNews:

"I've said it before and I will repeat it: I believe that I am the most
tested athlete on this planet, I have never had a single positive doping
test, and I do not take performance enhancing drugs.

"Every sport has doping problems. Cycling is certainly a sport that has had
problems. But who can deny that we have cleaned it up?...The Tour de France
is one of the most controlled sports events in the world."

Belda in CyclingNews:

"Manzano is not speaking the truth. Our lawyers are looking into this. It
makes me sick to hear what Manzano is spreading. It casts doubt on the
entire peloton."

Belda added, "It's clear that doping exists in all sports, but not all
sportsmen are dopers or drug addicts as [Manzano] insinuates."

UCI speaks in CyclingNews:

"Since the beginning of the year, cycling has been the focus of numerous
attacks which have severely prejudiced the image of our sport and the honour
of its participants," said a UCI statement, quoted in l'Equipe.

Calling Manzano a rider "not beyond reproach," the UCI regretted the
continued practice of doping in the peloton but asserted that the majority
of riders are clean, citing a figure that blood tests show more than 90% of
the peloton to be clean.

Hein Vergruggen in CyclingNews:

"Those who are clean need to talk, to let themselves be heard and to unite,"
Verbruggen said. "When the best cyclist in the world says 'I'm clean', that
carries a lot of weight. This message gives Armstrong a new responsibility
vis-a-vis the other riders.

"[Armstrong] has a moral responsibility since finding unity among the riders
is not an easy task," Verbruggen added. "He's a smart guy. He can see his
sport is suffering."

"Richard Adams" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

From VN Friday, June 25 mailbag:

Let's call the whole thing off...
Editors,
With all the revelations as to drug use in cycling this year, it is
clear that the boys and girls are spitting in and spoiling their pot
of soup. I suggest that the sport be fully suspended at the pro level
for the 2005 season to allow all of these people, from the UCI on down
the food chain to the soigneurs, an opportunity to reflect on what
they are in the process of destroying.

Brian Lafferty
Longmeadow, Massachusetts

Yeah, shutting down the entire sport for a year will have a positive
effect. Why, it's practically guarranteed to clear up the whole thing
and sponsors will flock to cycling as a monument to clean, fair
sportsmanship! Trusting law officers and courts to clean this mess
up, along with assistance from UCI and WADA is clearly accomplishing
nothing. Police and detective work, along with rules and laws are
probably even more responsible for the continuing use of doping than
the pressures of making it at the elite level of a sport.

Now if you'll excuse me, after hearing the news of David being banned
from the TdF, I need to go cry my eyes out on my bed, with the David
Millar/Cofidis sheets and pillow cases.

*sniffle*

Try to relax until your meds kick in.

B. Lafferty said:

"Richard Adams" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

From VN Friday, June 25 mailbag:

Let's call the whole thing off...
Editors,
With all the revelations as to drug use in cycling this year, it is
clear that the boys and girls are spitting in and spoiling their pot
of soup. I suggest that the sport be fully suspended at the pro level
for the 2005 season to allow all of these people, from the UCI on down
the food chain to the soigneurs, an opportunity to reflect on what
they are in the process of destroying.

Brian Lafferty
Longmeadow, Massachusetts

Yeah, shutting down the entire sport for a year will have a positive
effect. Why, it's practically guarranteed to clear up the whole thing
and sponsors will flock to cycling as a monument to clean, fair
sportsmanship! Trusting law officers and courts to clean this mess
up, along with assistance from UCI and WADA is clearly accomplishing
nothing. Police and detective work, along with rules and laws are
probably even more responsible for the continuing use of doping than
the pressures of making it at the elite level of a sport.

Now if you'll excuse me, after hearing the news of David being banned
from the TdF, I need to go cry my eyes out on my bed, with the David
Millar/Cofidis sheets and pillow cases.

*sniffle*

Try to relax until your meds kick in.

Meds? Didn't get the package. What were you sending, same thing you're on?

John Forrest Tomlinson said:

I'm reminded of an interview with Finnish nordic skier Virpi Kuitunen
immediatly after she won the first half of the pursuit at World
Championships in Lahti, in which the reporter asked her about doping
on the Finnish men's team (they had just been busted) and she said
"That's got nothing to do with me."

JT

It is a bit like the old "have you stopped beating your wife, yet"
question. Being asked such a question, no matter how you answer, brings
taint.

On 25 Jun 2004 21:15:18 EDT, Richard Adams <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

John Forrest Tomlinson said:

I'm reminded of an interview with Finnish nordic skier Virpi Kuitunen
immediatly after she won the first half of the pursuit at World
Championships in Lahti, in which the reporter asked her about doping
on the Finnish men's team (they had just been busted) and she said
"That's got nothing to do with me."

JT

It is a bit like the old "have you stopped beating your wife, yet"
question. Being asked such a question, no matter how you answer, brings
taint.

Right. Though she was shown a few days later to have been doping
regularly...

JT

"Richard Adams" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

Quoted message said:

B. Lafferty said:

Try to relax until your meds kick in.

Meds? Didn't get the package. What were you sending, same thing you're

on?

Quoted message said:

Err, wouldn't that be considered trafficking?

"John Forrest Tomlinson" wrote...

Quoted message said:

On 25 Jun 2004 21:15:18 EDT, Richard Adams <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

John Forrest Tomlinson said:

the reporter asked her about doping
on the Finnish men's team (they had just been busted) and she said
"That's got nothing to do with me."

JT

It is a bit like the old "have you stopped beating your wife, yet"
question. Being asked such a question, no matter how you answer, brings
taint.

Right. Though she was shown a few days later to have been doping
regularly...

So you expected her to say something different?

In article <[email hidden]>,

(Richard Adams) said:

From VN Friday, June 25 mailbag:

Let's call the whole thing off...
Editors,
With all the revelations as to drug use in cycling this year, it is
clear that the boys and girls are spitting in and spoiling their pot
of soup. I suggest that the sport be fully suspended at the pro level
for the 2005 season to allow all of these people, from the UCI on down
the food chain to the soigneurs, an opportunity to reflect on what
they are in the process of destroying.

Brian Lafferty
Longmeadow, Massachusetts

Yeah, shutting down the entire sport for a year will have a positive
effect. Why, it's practically guarranteed to clear up the whole thing
and sponsors will flock to cycling as a monument to clean, fair
sportsmanship! Trusting law officers and courts to clean this mess
up, along with assistance from UCI and WADA is clearly accomplishing
nothing. Police and detective work, along with rules and laws are
probably even more responsible for the continuing use of doping than
the pressures of making it at the elite level of a sport.

Now if you'll excuse me, after hearing the news of David being banned
from the TdF, I need to go cry my eyes out on my bed, with the David
Millar/Cofidis sheets and pillow cases.

You don't have the feet-in pajamas, too? Damn.

--
tanx,
Howard

"The fickleness of fame and fortune's caprice
Together changed the life of Mason Reese"
Alice Donut

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

"Jim Flom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

"John Forrest Tomlinson" wrote...

Quoted message said:

On 25 Jun 2004 21:15:18 EDT, Richard Adams <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:

> the reporter asked her about doping
> on the Finnish men's team (they had just been busted) and she said
> "That's got nothing to do with me."
>
> JT

It is a bit like the old "have you stopped beating your wife, yet"
question. Being asked such a question, no matter how you answer,

brings

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

taint.

Right. Though she was shown a few days later to have been doping
regularly...

So you expected her to say something different?

I would have.

Howard Kveck said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

(Richard Adams) said:

From VN Friday, June 25 mailbag:

Let's call the whole thing off...
Editors,
With all the revelations as to drug use in cycling this year, it is
clear that the boys and girls are spitting in and spoiling their pot
of soup. I suggest that the sport be fully suspended at the pro level
for the 2005 season to allow all of these people, from the UCI on down
the food chain to the soigneurs, an opportunity to reflect on what
they are in the process of destroying.

Brian Lafferty
Longmeadow, Massachusetts

Yeah, shutting down the entire sport for a year will have a positive
effect. Why, it's practically guarranteed to clear up the whole thing
and sponsors will flock to cycling as a monument to clean, fair
sportsmanship! Trusting law officers and courts to clean this mess
up, along with assistance from UCI and WADA is clearly accomplishing
nothing. Police and detective work, along with rules and laws are
probably even more responsible for the continuing use of doping than
the pressures of making it at the elite level of a sport.

Now if you'll excuse me, after hearing the news of David being banned
from the TdF, I need to go cry my eyes out on my bed, with the David
Millar/Cofidis sheets and pillow cases.

You don't have the feet-in pajamas, too? Damn.

Those are Alfred E. Neuman "What Me Worry?" issue, though I must admit
Alfred bears a striking resemblence to the president.

Richard Adams said:

Howard Kveck said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

(Richard Adams) said:

From VN Friday, June 25 mailbag:

Let's call the whole thing off...
Editors,
With all the revelations as to drug use in cycling this year, it is
clear that the boys and girls are spitting in and spoiling their pot
of soup. I suggest that the sport be fully suspended at the pro level
for the 2005 season to allow all of these people, from the UCI on down
the food chain to the soigneurs, an opportunity to reflect on what
they are in the process of destroying.

Brian Lafferty
Longmeadow, Massachusetts

Yeah, shutting down the entire sport for a year will have a positive
effect. Why, it's practically guarranteed to clear up the whole thing
and sponsors will flock to cycling as a monument to clean, fair
sportsmanship! Trusting law officers and courts to clean this mess
up, along with assistance from UCI and WADA is clearly accomplishing
nothing. Police and detective work, along with rules and laws are
probably even more responsible for the continuing use of doping than
the pressures of making it at the elite level of a sport.

Now if you'll excuse me, after hearing the news of David being banned
from the TdF, I need to go cry my eyes out on my bed, with the David
Millar/Cofidis sheets and pillow cases.

You don't have the feet-in pajamas, too? Damn.

Those are Alfred E. Neuman "What Me Worry?" issue, though I must admit
Alfred bears a striking resemblence to the president.

http://www.internetweekly.org/photo_cartoons/cartoon_bush_2004_poster.html

Robert Chung said:

Richard Adams said:

Howard Kveck said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] (Richard Adams) wrote:

>From VN Friday, June 25 mailbag:
>
>Let's call the whole thing off...
>Editors,
>With all the revelations as to drug use in cycling this year, it is
>clear that the boys and girls are spitting in and spoiling their pot
>of soup. I suggest that the sport be fully suspended at the pro level
>for the 2005 season to allow all of these people, from the UCI on down
>the food chain to the soigneurs, an opportunity to reflect on what
>they are in the process of destroying.
>
>Brian Lafferty
>Longmeadow, Massachusetts
>
>
>Yeah, shutting down the entire sport for a year will have a positive
>effect. Why, it's practically guarranteed to clear up the whole thing
>and sponsors will flock to cycling as a monument to clean, fair
>sportsmanship! Trusting law officers and courts to clean this mess
>up, along with assistance from UCI and WADA is clearly accomplishing
>nothing. Police and detective work, along with rules and laws are
>probably even more responsible for the continuing use of doping than
>the pressures of making it at the elite level of a sport.
>
>Now if you'll excuse me, after hearing the news of David being banned
>from the TdF, I need to go cry my eyes out on my bed, with the David
>Millar/Cofidis sheets and pillow cases.

You don't have the feet-in pajamas, too? Damn.

Those are Alfred E. Neuman "What Me Worry?" issue, though I must admit
Alfred bears a striking resemblence to the president.

http://www.internetweekly.org/photo_cartoons/cartoon_bush_2004_poster.html

http://www.thenation.com/covers/alfredw/

"Richard Adams" wrote...

Quoted message said:

Those are Alfred E. Neuman "What Me Worry?" issue, though I must admit
Alfred bears a striking resemblence to the president.

He looked way more like Reagan (although that other guy's shot is pretty
good).

JF

Here's one of my favorites:

http://groups.google.com/groups?&selm=20000901152557.15744.00000799%40ng-bg1.aol.com&rnum=2

Bob Schwartz
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