In the News: Armstrong took EPO reports paper

[Jason Spaceman]

From the article:
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Friday, June 23, 2006 Posted: 1036 GMT (1836 HKT)

PARIS, France (Reuters) -- Lance Armstrong admitted that he had taken the
performance-enhancing drug erythropoietin (EPO) at the time he was treating his
cancer, French daily newspaper Le Monde reported on Friday.

"According to new testimonies gathered from October 2005 to January 2006 by a
court in Dallas, the seven-times Tour de France winner told a Indiana
University Hospital doctor on October 28, 1996 he has taken
performance-enhancing drugs," Le Monde said.

"The doctor questioned him on a possible use of doping products after his brain
surgery in order to prescribe his post-surgery treatment."

Le Monde added: "In front of (former team mate) Frankie Andreu and his wife, who
have testified under oath in Dallas, Armstrong said he had taken 'EPO,
testosterone, growth hormones and cortisone'."

The International Cycling Union (UCI), cycling's governing body, declined to
comment to Reuters.
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Read it at http://edition.cnn.com/2006/SPORT/06/23/cycling.lance.reut/










J. Spaceman

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[Jason Spaceman]

Also see 'Report: Armstrong admitted doping before cancer' at
http://www.mg.co.za/articlepage.aspx?area=/breaking_news/breaking_news__sport/&articleid=275282

It's all the fault of Frankie 'Judas' Andreu, ;-)


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Seven-time Tour de France winner Lance Armstrong allegedly admitted taking
banned doping products before suffering from cancer, according to evidence
given under oath to a court in Dallas earlier this year and published in
Saturday's edition of French daily Le Monde.

According to former friends of the American cyclist, Armstrong, who suffered
from testicular cancer in 1996, allegedly told a doctor at Indiana University
Hospital in October of that year after undergoing brain surgery that he had
previously taken the banned substances EPO, testosterone, growth hormones and
cortisone.

The allegations are based on evidence given on January 17 this year under oath
in a Dallas court by Betsy Andreu, wife of Frankie Andreu, the former best
friend of Armstrong, who claim they were both present when the cyclist told the
doctor of his past doping.

Frankie Andreu made the same statement in court on October 25 2005, according to
Le Monde, which claims that the Andreus previously told the same story during a
arbitration hearing between Armstrong and his insurance company SCA Promotions.

A third person, Stephanie McIlvain, who was also present at the meeting with the
doctor in 1996, denied to the court, however, having heard Armstrong say that
he took doping products. -- AFP
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J. Spaceman

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[Tuschinski]

Jason Spaceman wrote:
> From the article:
> -----------------------------------------
> Friday, June 23, 2006 Posted: 1036 GMT (1836 HKT)
>
> PARIS, France (Reuters) -- Lance Armstrong admitted that he had taken the
> performance-enhancing drug erythropoietin (EPO) at the time he was treating his
> cancer, French daily newspaper Le Monde reported on Friday.
>
> "According to new testimonies gathered from October 2005 to January 2006 by a
> court in Dallas, the seven-times Tour de France winner told a Indiana
> University Hospital doctor on October 28, 1996 he has taken
> performance-enhancing drugs," Le Monde said.
>
> "The doctor questioned him on a possible use of doping products after his brain
> surgery in order to prescribe his post-surgery treatment."
>
> Le Monde added: "In front of (former team mate) Frankie Andreu and his wife, who
> have testified under oath in Dallas, Armstrong said he had taken 'EPO,
> testosterone, growth hormones and cortisone'."
>
> The International Cycling Union (UCI), cycling's governing body, declined to
> comment to Reuters.
> --------------------------------------------
>
> Read it at http://edition.cnn.com/2006/SPORT/06/23/cycling.lance.reut/
>
>
> J. Spaceman
>
> --
> My email address ([email protected]) is fake. Email sent to it
> will only get caught in my spam tarpit.


Well, Epo is THE standard prescription drug for people taking
Chem-therapy. So that he has taken Epo when he was treated for cancer
is no surprise.

 

"Tuschinski" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news:
[email protected]...
>
> Jason Spaceman wrote:
>> From the article:
>> -----------------------------------------
>> Friday, June 23, 2006 Posted: 1036 GMT (1836 HKT)
>>
>> PARIS, France (Reuters) -- Lance Armstrong admitted that he had taken the
>> performance-enhancing drug erythropoietin (EPO) at the time he was
>> treating his
>> cancer, French daily newspaper Le Monde reported on Friday.
>>
>> "According to new testimonies gathered from October 2005 to January 2006
>> by a
>> court in Dallas, the seven-times Tour de France winner told a Indiana
>> University Hospital doctor on October 28, 1996 he has taken
>> performance-enhancing drugs," Le Monde said.
>>
>> "The doctor questioned him on a possible use of doping products after his
>> brain
>> surgery in order to prescribe his post-surgery treatment."
>>
>> Le Monde added: "In front of (former team mate) Frankie Andreu and his
>> wife, who
>> have testified under oath in Dallas, Armstrong said he had taken 'EPO,
>> testosterone, growth hormones and cortisone'."
>>
>> The International Cycling Union (UCI), cycling's governing body, declined
>> to
>> comment to Reuters.
>> --------------------------------------------
>>
>> Read it at http://edition.cnn.com/2006/SPORT/06/23/cycling.lance.reut/
>>
>>
>> J. Spaceman
>>
>> --
>> My email address ([email protected]) is fake. Email sent
>> to it
>> will only get caught in my spam tarpit.
>
>
> Well, Epo is THE standard prescription drug for people taking
> Chem-therapy. So that he has taken Epo when he was treated for cancer
> is no surprise.
>

....testosterone, growth hormones and cortisone also is THE standard ?



Indeed, if EPO is THE standard prescription drug for people taking
Chem-therapy, WHY DID THE DOCTOR ASKED ?

 

[mtb Dad]

Tuschinski wrote:
> Jason Spaceman wrote:
> > From the article:
> > -----------------------------------------
> > Friday, June 23, 2006 Posted: 1036 GMT (1836 HKT)
> >
> > PARIS, France (Reuters) -- Lance Armstrong admitted that he had taken the
> > performance-enhancing drug erythropoietin (EPO) at the time he was treating his
> > cancer, French daily newspaper Le Monde reported on Friday.
> >
> > "According to new testimonies gathered from October 2005 to January 2006 by a
> > court in Dallas, the seven-times Tour de France winner told a Indiana
> > University Hospital doctor on October 28, 1996 he has taken
> > performance-enhancing drugs," Le Monde said.
> >
> > "The doctor questioned him on a possible use of doping products after his brain
> > surgery in order to prescribe his post-surgery treatment."
> >
> > Le Monde added: "In front of (former team mate) Frankie Andreu and his wife, who
> > have testified under oath in Dallas, Armstrong said he had taken 'EPO,
> > testosterone, growth hormones and cortisone'."
> >
> > The International Cycling Union (UCI), cycling's governing body, declined to
> > comment to Reuters.
> > --------------------------------------------
> >
> > Read it at http://edition.cnn.com/2006/SPORT/06/23/cycling.lance.reut/
> >
> >
> > J. Spaceman
> >
> > --
> > My email address ([email protected]) is fake. Email sent to it
> > will only get caught in my spam tarpit.
>
>
> Well, Epo is THE standard prescription drug for people taking
> Chem-therapy. So that he has taken Epo when he was treated for cancer
> is no surprise.

The article suggests he took it before he had cancer. "...previously
taken the banned substances..."

"According to former friends of the American cyclist, Armstrong, who
suffered
from testicular cancer in 1996, allegedly told a doctor at Indiana
University
Hospital in October of that year after undergoing brain surgery that he
had
previously taken the banned substances EPO, testosterone, growth
hormones and
cortisone. "

 

[gym.gravity]

Tuschinski wrote:

> Well, Epo is THE standard prescription drug for people taking
> Chem-therapy. So that he has taken Epo when he was treated for cancer
> is no surprise.

your comprehension is off, as others will point out. This has been
rumored for at least 4 years and has actually made press 2 years ago on
ESPN. But then they just said a "former teamate" was a witness. Now
it looks like Andreau has testified.

 

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seems that...an old story with missing proof (all words..), what does
the doctor say,is there any document?

 

[Curtis L. Russell]

On 23 Jun 2006 05:36:28 -0700, "mtb Dad" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>"According to former friends of the American cyclist, Armstrong, who
>suffered
>from testicular cancer in 1996, allegedly told a doctor at Indiana
>University
>Hospital in October of that year after undergoing brain surgery that he
>had
>previously taken the banned substances EPO, testosterone, growth
>hormones and
>cortisone. "


I don't see the issues you do. Unless the brain surgery was the first
step-unlikely -this could be no more than rehashing prior treatments.

That a doctor would ask even with complete charts in front of him
also doesn't surprise me. I've heard second hand about precautions
taken to avoid mistakes (starting with, don't make jokes when they ask
your name on the day of surgery-they may wheel you back to your
room.)

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

 

[Tuschinski]

>
> ...testosterone, growth hormones and cortisone also is THE standard ?
>

Nope and I didn't imply that (Maybe it is, but I know next to nothing
about testicular cancer)

>
> Indeed, if EPO is THE standard prescription drug for people taking
> Chem-therapy, WHY DID THE DOCTOR ASKED ?

I replied on this tidbit:

> PARIS, France (Reuters) -- Lance Armstrong admitted that he had taken the
> performance-enhancing drug erythropoietin (EPO) at the time he was treating his
> cancer, French daily newspaper Le Monde reported on Friday.

Do not misunderstand me, I'm one of those who find it more than
"likely" that Lance was a heavy-user. But this statement in itself
isn't damning.

 

[Stu Fleming]

gym.gravity wrote:

> your comprehension is off, as others will point out. This has been
> rumored for at least 4 years and has actually made press 2 years ago on
> ESPN. But then they just said a "former teamate" was a witness. Now
> it looks like Andreau has testified.

Presumably either in the Mike Anderson case or the insurance company
counterclaim.

 

[Scott Johnson]

Jason Spaceman wrote:

> From the article:Armstrong said he had taken 'EPO,
> testosterone, growth hormones and cortisone'."

I understand the first three, but why is cortisone
beneficial?


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Scott Johnson wrote:

> I understand the first three, but why is cortisone
> beneficial?

I believe the idea is that it takes away your aches and pains and
probably more importantly spares glycogen.

 

[Snippy Bobkins]

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> seems that...an old story with missing proof (all words..), what does
> the doctor say,is there any document?

Multiple witnesses offering recent corroborating statements lends the rag
(book) credibility.

Et tu, Frankie?

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[[email protected]]

Snippy Bobkins ha scritto:

> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > seems that...an old story with missing proof (all words..), what does
> > the doctor say,is there any document?
>
> Multiple witnesses offering recent corroborating statements lends the rag
> (book) credibility.
>
> Et tu, Frankie?

two witness and no proof

 

[gym.gravity]

Scott Johnson wrote:
> Jason Spaceman wrote:
>
> > From the article:Armstrong said he had taken 'EPO,
> > testosterone, growth hormones and cortisone'."
>
> I understand the first three, but why is cortisone
> beneficial?

It's thought to prevent excessive tissue damage from inflamation after
hard efforts, among other stuff. even as a masking agent. so many
things have been attributed to cortisone. lots of people can't see the
logic in taking it for many reasons...but the fact is, lots of riders
get caught with it.

 

[gym.gravity]

Stu Fleming wrote:
> gym.gravity wrote:
>
> > your comprehension is off, as others will point out. This has been
> > rumored for at least 4 years and has actually made press 2 years ago on
> > ESPN. But then they just said a "former teamate" was a witness. Now
> > it looks like Andreau has testified.
>
> Presumably either in the Mike Anderson case or the insurance company
> counterclaim.

what do you mean possibly, don't you read cyclingnews first thing,
every morning:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/jun06/jun23news2

 

[Scott Johnson]

[email protected] wrote:
> Scott Johnson wrote:
>
>
>>I understand the first three, but why is cortisone
>> beneficial?
>
>
> I believe the idea is that it takes away your aches and pains and
> probably more importantly spares glycogen.

Or to reduce inflammation a ton so you can
overtrain? You body needs _some_ amount of
inflammation response in order to heal correctly.

That coupled with the sides of corticosteroids
makes me wonder if it's really something worth
bothering with, not that I have to worry about it
in any capacity.


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[Ewoud Dronkert]

On Fri, 23 Jun 2006 08:50:50 -0500, Scott Johnson wrote:
> I understand the first three, but why is cortisone
> beneficial?

From http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/athletic-drug-test4.htm

Protein Hormones
Adrenocorticotrophic hormone (ACTH) is a naturally occurring protein
hormone that is secreted by the pituitary gland and stimulates the
production of hormones from the adrenal cortex. These adrenal cortex
hormones are important in reducing inflammation in injuries and
allergic responses. So, by using ACTH to stimulate internal adrenal
cortex hormones, an athlete could mask an injury. Possible side
effects include stomach irritation, ulcers, mental irritation and
long-term effects (weakening bones and muscles).

Cortisone
Cortisone is one of the adrenal cortex hormones. Clinically, it is
injected to reduce inflammation in injuries and allergic responses.
The advantages and side effects of its use are the same as with ACTH.

From
http://daryl1947.mlblogs.com/daryls_place/2005/09/performance_enh.html

Last year, I had an injection of Cortisone, which is a steroid, to
enhance the performance of my left arm. It went from almost no
performance to performance. I was told by the Doctor who administered
the injection that he would only do it twice. If two shots didn’t
help the situation, 30 shots wouldn’t help it, and he stressed the
risks of prolonged use. By the way, if you have ever had the
experience of having a Cortisone shot in your elbow, you might guess
that I didn’t give him the chance to give me the second shot. As long
as my arm isn’t hanging limply at my side, it’s good enough.

Et cetera, et cetera. Search for "cortisone performance enhancing" or
"cortisone performance enhancer" (without the quotes).

--
E. Dronkert

 

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It has to be the insurance company.

Funny, I watched "Double Indemnity" on TCM last night. Very fitting.

Stu Fleming wrote:

>
> Presumably either in the Mike Anderson case or the insurance company
> counterclaim.

 

[Tom Kunich]

<Montesquiou> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> ...testosterone, growth hormones and cortisone also is THE standard ?
>
> Indeed, if EPO is THE standard prescription drug for people taking
> Chem-therapy, WHY DID THE DOCTOR ASKED ?

Are you under the impression that drugs taken previous to '96 effected his
performance in '99?

Do you believe that a man who underwent serious cancer treatements would use
drugs that have been implicated in the past as causing cancer?

That Lance used drugs before his cancer wouldn't surprise me in the least.
That he used them after would.