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  1. Hey again folks -

    OKAY, GUYS! Many of us here have at one time or another,
    maybe two or three times in fact, tried to do his best
    to minimize the impact of the TROLL on the ARBR
    experience, either for himself or for the group as a
    whole. This may be as good a time as we're ever going to
    have, so let's - for the next two weeks or so - try it
    ALL TOGETHER NOW as a carefully coordinated group
    effort. Maybe instead of starting another obscure forum,
    we can make this one more useful.

    I think it's safe to say that most of the people who post
    or peek in on ARBR agree that this TROLL is our major
    problem, and that without him, most of us could get along
    quite nicely and this group may have a chance to be worth
    clicking into.

    DECLARATION: IT'S OUR NEWSGROUP, DAMMIT, NOT THE TROLL'S!

    SUGGESTION: Let's ALL (the real, nice people who honestly
    do want the newsgroup to work) make a concerted effort to
    use the forum just as if it wasn't preyed upon by the
    ogre for a short trial period. If we can work together
    within a serious, coordinated system, maybe we can make
    it practical to enjoy the forum in spite of the TROLL.

    Let's try these techniques suggested by Curtis (and
    dozens of others over the last few years) to see if it
    does make the newsgroup a bit more pleasant and somewhat
    more practical. Let's ALL follow the guidelines below
    thru the rest of this month (January 2007) and see - real
    world - how effective they really are at providing a bit
    of insulation from our worst annoyance.

    READING THE NEWSGROUP:

    Should be fairly simple.

    IF YOU USE A NEWSREADER:

    Killfile, filter or do whatever it takes to eliminate
    all messages from or mention of the TROLL. If you need
    help, ask for it in this thread or by emailing any
    'volunteers' off-group. You may also find it advisable
    to suppress its muttonheaded minion (or mutant Mini-Me,
    maybe?) 'nget' aka 'Mike the Barker'. Since the former
    often posts via Cycling Forums (which assigns a kind of
    coded variable email address), you may need a trick,
    which one of our newsreader gurus (not me!) may also be
    able to provide.

    IF YOU USE A WEB BROWSER:

    Make a concerted effort to mentally tune out and ignore
    the TROLL's posts on the website you've been using for
    access; don't go into the threads he starts, and skip
    over his posts to other threads. If that's too annoying,
    use another gateway and archive that filters him out.
    Contrary to claims by the idiot itself, there are several
    alternatives to Google Groups (the most common web-based
    Usenet interface). You may prefer to use (TROLL-free!)
    Cycling Forum webpages, to read the group:

    http://www.cyclingforums.com/f167-alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent.html

    [If that long line gets ginked, just go to their homepage,
    then to their own (in-house) recumbent forum, and click
    on the link near the top for real ARBR content.] Bookmark
    it when you get it. It isn't necessary to join in order
    to view messages posted there from ARBR, only to post via
    their gateway.

    FOR POSTING (EVERYONE!):

    1. DO IT - THIS MONTH! As way too many folks have noted,
    one thing ARBR desperately needs is pertinent content.
    Post a message here, even if it's cross-posted at BROL.
    Ask a friend to post at ARBR. I'll follow this up by
    starting a legitimate on-topic thread. YOU'RE NEXT! If
    you can think of any interesting subject to discuss,
    please post it this month.

    2. REPLY TO ON-TOPIC THREADS - If you have something to
    say, say it. But please don't copy the entire content of
    previous posts, ESPECIALLY if they contain off-topic
    rambling, if there is any reference to the TROLL or if
    any of its content is included, even if it seems to be
    on-topic, and even if you don't reply to it. The goal is
    to have a worthwhile discussion with ZERO input from the
    dreadful dimwit.

    3. STAY ON TOPIC - Talk about 'bents, not the TROLL, not
    the newsgroup, and not the anonymous profane SPAMMER who
    has been off and on lately. Don't reply to any off-topic
    threads, or off-topic content in valid threads. Don't
    quote, repeat or include links to off-topic content, and
    don't comment about it. Mostly: DON'T FEED THE TROLL!
    What it says about you doesn't matter; just do your
    dead-level best to ignore its insults, its challenges,
    its taunts and its questions. For two weeks or so,
    please, everyone, just do your best to pretend the TROLL
    simply doesn't exist.

    4. ISOLATE OFF-TOPIC CONTENT - If at the last ditch, you
    simply cannot refrain from off-topic content, put it in
    this thread if it's relevant to this specific effort, or
    if it's not, in the failsafe backup clearly labeled off-
    topic 'DON'T FEED THE TROLL!' thread. Don't worry about
    continuity; you can cut and paste anything to which
    you're replying from its original location and indicate
    quotes by using a right-pointing carat ('greater than'
    symbol), allocated to its original poster in text as
    needed. Even if you're relatively non-net-savvy, don't
    sweat it; just take your best shot at formatting whatever
    you have to say, without worrying about who's offended
    or amused by your style.

    5. DON'T SNIPE OR EVEN GIVE ADVICE PUBLICLY TO OTHER
    POSTERS WHO SCREW UP - If you feel the need to ping
    another poster because he's done something that you
    feel is counterproductive, he's made a grammatical
    error or whatever, do it privately rather than by
    posting to the whole group. Part of the character of
    a good open forum is active, robust disagreement on
    pertinent topics, so that's good; please just don't
    get off into style or personality differences.

    And baduh-baduh-baduh... THAT'S ALL, FOLKS! Please
    print this out if it helps as a reminder. Email me
    privately if there's any way I can help, or even if
    you simply feel a strong urge to ream me out about
    this or anything - except the poetry of course. ;-)

    Regards,
    Wayne

  2. Sometimes, I have to wonder whether non-bicyclists' suspicions of
    cyclists are right: that folks who still play with such a "toy" are
    simply immature.

    What's the matter with people here? Can't you learn to ignore stuff
    you don't want to read? If you see it's a post by someone you don't
    want to read, don't read it! Simple!! I don't understand all this
    talk about trolls driving a newsgroup aground. I mean, when you're out
    on the road, haven't you learned yet to ignore honking motorists??

    I've been on a few bike rides with one of the local bike clubs, and, my
    God, what a collection of chuckleheads! No, the vast majority of
    people were all right, but there was almost always at least one person
    who's a helmet Nazi (don't laugh: I've even encountered a water bottle
    Nazi!), or who thinks the ride is too long, or too slow, or who
    misinterprets something and winds up lost, or who trips over a small
    bump in the road, etc.

    Anyway, I guess the bright side of it all is, I'm glad you people are
    on bikes, and not being the wheels! LOL....

  3. Prisoner at War said:

    I've even encountered a water bottle
    Nazi!

    Yeah, my wife is one. SHe thinks they should be washed after every
    ride, or at least every week or so. Comes from being a nurse. I, OTOH,
    think that stuff growing in the bottle is a sign of a healthy
    ecosphere.

    Curtis L. Russell
    Odenton, MD (USA)
    Just someone on two wheels...

  4. Curtis L. Russell said:


    Yeah, my wife is one. SHe thinks they should be washed after every
    ride, or at least every week or so. Comes from being a nurse. I, OTOH,
    think that stuff growing in the bottle is a sign of a healthy
    ecosphere.

    Curtis L. Russell
    Odenton, MD (USA)
    Just someone on two wheels...

    I meant someone who thinks that it isn't safe to ride without a water
    bottle, the same way helmet Nazis think it isn't safe to ride without a
    helmet.

    Hygiene, I agree with. Always listen to your wife!

  5. 32GO said:

    Hey again folks -

    OKAY, GUYS! Many of us here have at one time or another,
    maybe two or three times in fact, tried to do his best
    to minimize the impact of the TROLL on the ARBR
    experience, either for himself or for the group as a
    whole. This may be as good a time as we're ever going to
    have, so let's - for the next two weeks or so - try it
    ALL TOGETHER NOW as a carefully coordinated group
    effort. Maybe instead of starting another obscure forum,
    we can make this one more useful.

    SNIP

    Quoted message said:

    Regards,
    Wayne

    Despite the objections from he who shall not be mentioned here by name
    here, this sounds like a sincere and well thought through approach that
    should apply to both our long-standing permanent resident troll and our
    more recent spamming troll(s) as well. For the most part, the latter
    has been basically ignored to no avail, but eventually I suppose they
    will tire especially when nice riding weather returns and they have
    better things to do with their overabundance of time. I read this post
    after reading the DON'T FEED THE TROLL! post in which I did post a
    reply for which I have no regret since it was posted in the
    pre-designated thread and addresses the issue of a trolls in general an
    one in particular. Good luck with this. I'm on board. - Jim McNamara

  6. "32GO" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hey again folks -

    DECLARATION: IT'S OUR NEWSGROUP, DAMMIT, NOT THE TROLL'S!

    Regards,
    Wayne

    Actually, I think this newsgroup belongs to M*RT*N KR**G. I suppose if
    someone (not me) cared enough they could look up the *CHARTER*. There might
    be a rule barring attacks of an abusive nature on other posters.

    --
    Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

  7. On 01/17/2007 18:38:24 '32GO said:

    Hey again folks -

    Quoted message said:

    OKAY, GUYS! Many of us here have at one time or another, maybe two or
    three times in fact, tried to do his best to minimize the impact of the
    TROLL on the ARBR experience, either for himself or for the group as a
    whole. This may be as good a time as we're ever going to have, so let's -
    for the next two weeks or so - try it ALL TOGETHER NOW as a carefully
    coordinated group effort. Maybe instead of starting another obscure
    forum, we can make this one more useful.

    Quoted message said:

    I think it's safe to say that most of the people who post or peek in on
    ARBR agree that this TROLL is our major problem, and that without him,
    most of us could get along quite nicely and this group may have a chance
    to be worth clicking into.

    Quoted message said:

    DECLARATION: IT'S OUR NEWSGROUP, DAMMIT, NOT THE TROLL'S!

    Quoted message said:

    SUGGESTION: Let's ALL (the real, nice people who honestly do want the
    newsgroup to work) make a concerted effort to use the forum just as if it
    wasn't preyed upon by the ogre for a short trial period. If we can work
    together within a serious, coordinated system, maybe we can make it
    practical to enjoy the forum in spite of the TROLL.

    Quoted message said:

    Let's try these techniques suggested by Curtis (and dozens of others over
    the last few years) to see if it does make the newsgroup a bit more
    pleasant and somewhat more practical. Let's ALL follow the guidelines
    below thru the rest of this month (January 2007) and see - real world -
    how effective they really are at providing a bit of insulation from our
    worst annoyance.

    Quoted message said:

    READING THE NEWSGROUP:

    Quoted message said:

    Should be fairly simple.

    Quoted message said:

    IF YOU USE A NEWSREADER:

    Quoted message said:

    Killfile, filter or do whatever it takes to eliminate all messages from or
    mention of the TROLL. If you need help, ask for it in this thread or by
    emailing any 'volunteers' off-group. You may also find it advisable to
    suppress its muttonheaded minion (or mutant Mini-Me, maybe?) 'nget' aka
    'Mike the Barker'. Since the former often posts via Cycling Forums (which
    assigns a kind of coded variable email address), you may need a trick,
    which one of our newsreader gurus (not me!) may also be able to provide.

    Quoted message said:

    IF YOU USE A WEB BROWSER:

    Quoted message said:

    Make a concerted effort to mentally tune out and ignore the TROLL's posts
    on the website you've been using for access; don't go into the threads he
    starts, and skip over his posts to other threads. If that's too annoying,
    use another gateway and archive that filters him out. Contrary to claims
    by the idiot itself, there are several alternatives to Google Groups (the
    most common web-based Usenet interface). You may prefer to use
    (TROLL-free!) Cycling Forum webpages, to read the group:

    Quoted message said:

    http://www.cyclingforums.com/f167-alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent.html

    Quoted message said:

    [If that long line gets ginked, just go to their homepage, then to their
    own (in-house) recumbent forum, and click on the link near the top for
    real ARBR content.] Bookmark it when you get it. It isn't necessary to
    join in order to view messages posted there from ARBR, only to post via
    their gateway.

    Quoted message said:

    FOR POSTING (EVERYONE!):

    Quoted message said:

    1. DO IT - THIS MONTH! As way too many folks have noted, one thing ARBR
    desperately needs is pertinent content. Post a message here, even if it's
    cross-posted at BROL. Ask a friend to post at ARBR. I'll follow this up
    by starting a legitimate on-topic thread. YOU'RE NEXT! If you can think
    of any interesting subject to discuss, please post it this month.

    Quoted message said:

    2. REPLY TO ON-TOPIC THREADS - If you have something to say, say it. But
    please don't copy the entire content of previous posts, ESPECIALLY if they
    contain off-topic rambling, if there is any reference to the TROLL or if
    any of its content is included, even if it seems to be on-topic, and even
    if you don't reply to it. The goal is to have a worthwhile discussion
    with ZERO input from the dreadful dimwit.

    Quoted message said:

    3. STAY ON TOPIC - Talk about 'bents, not the TROLL, not the newsgroup,
    and not the anonymous profane SPAMMER who has been off and on lately.
    Don't reply to any off-topic threads, or off-topic content in valid
    threads. Don't quote, repeat or include links to off-topic content, and
    don't comment about it. Mostly: DON'T FEED THE TROLL! What it says about
    you doesn't matter; just do your dead-level best to ignore its insults,
    its challenges, its taunts and its questions. For two weeks or so,
    please, everyone, just do your best to pretend the TROLL simply doesn't
    exist.

    Quoted message said:

    4. ISOLATE OFF-TOPIC CONTENT - If at the last ditch, you simply cannot
    refrain from off-topic content, put it in this thread if it's relevant to
    this specific effort, or if it's not, in the failsafe backup clearly
    labeled off- topic 'DON'T FEED THE TROLL!' thread. Don't worry about
    continuity; you can cut and paste anything to which you're replying from
    its original location and indicate quotes by using a right-pointing carat
    ('greater than' symbol), allocated to its original poster in text as
    needed. Even if you're relatively non-net-savvy, don't sweat it; just
    take your best shot at formatting whatever you have to say, without
    worrying about who's offended or amused by your style.

    Quoted message said:

    5. DON'T SNIPE OR EVEN GIVE ADVICE PUBLICLY TO OTHER POSTERS WHO SCREW UP
    - If you feel the need to ping another poster because he's done something
    that you feel is counterproductive, he's made a grammatical error or
    whatever, do it privately rather than by posting to the whole group. Part
    of the character of a good open forum is active, robust disagreement on
    pertinent topics, so that's good; please just don't get off into style or
    personality differences.

    Quoted message said:

    And baduh-baduh-baduh... THAT'S ALL, FOLKS! Please print this out if it
    helps as a reminder. Email me privately if there's any way I can help, or
    even if you simply feel a strong urge to ream me out about this or
    anything - except the poetry of course. ;-)

    Quoted message said:

    Regards, Wayne

    OK let's give it a go before we make a new one.
    --

    Buck

    Give a little person a little power and create a big problem.

    http://www.catrike.co.uk

  8. Hey guys -

    This message is a reminder that we are still trying a
    groupwide coordinated effort to get ARBR's TR0LL out of
    our faces. I really believe - as do most of you other
    readers and/or posters, I think - that we may be able to
    make this succeed. If we can all work together - but ONLY
    IF WE ALL WORK TOGETHER! - we can reduce the TR0LL's
    impact on this forum to noise level. It really does take
    only three simple steps:

    1. SET UP YOUR COMPUTER SO THAT YOU NEVER EVEN SEE
    THE TR0LL'S POSTS.

    If you use classical newsreader software to monitor
    ARBR, set up killfiles and/or filters so that its
    direct posts and references to it don't come through.
    If you need help, ask for it in this thread, via direct
    email to one of the other posters (not me!) who seems
    to know how to implement this kind of TR0LL traps.

    If you prefer a web-based gateway, use Cycling Forums
    rather than Google Groups:

    http://www.cyclingforums.com/f167-alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent.html

    This website blocks messages from the TR0LL. Even if you
    use the Google gateway, and either can't or won't set up
    killfile/filters, please use your own (presumably adult)
    discretion to filter out and/or ignore its content.

    2. DON'T REPLY TO THE TR0LL'S POSTS.

    If all of us non-TR0LLS who post to the group complied
    with Step One, Step Two would be unnecessary. But of
    course everyone won't, and as a result, the TR0LL is
    able to intrude through a sort of back door, even to the
    folks who did follow Step One.

    PLEASE NOTE: When you reply to one of the TR0LL's posts,
    you become a kind of codependent. YOU are giving it the
    only access it can get to everyone who did set up Step
    One, and who would, without your post, never know it's
    still in the world. This plan only works if almost
    everyone who uses this group can maintain some level of
    reasonable self-restraint. When anybody responds to the
    TR0LL, that person essentially, if unwittingly, becomes
    its lacky!

    Don't reply to any thread started by the TR0LL. Don't
    respond to any of its posts to any other thread, on or
    off topic, even if it seems to be relevant. Please ignore
    its attacks, taunts, questions, challenges and its
    (usually insincere, often preposterous) opinions even if
    they seem to be on topic. Don't EVER reply or respond to
    the TR0LL via the newsgroup - PERIOD!

    Even if you can't refrain from replying to the TR0LL,
    please do it off-group via email if you can stand it.
    This may be a sort of a valid crosscheck: if it's not
    worth a private email, it's probably not worth posting
    to the group either. Most of the folks here have read
    all they ever want to read about the TR0LL, pro or con.

    If you absolutely have to reply to it via the group,
    please put your reply in the 'DON'T FEED THE TROLL! -
    Off Topic' thread. Quote only the absolute minimum of
    its content (cut and paste), and never assign it using
    the TR0LL's real name.

    Guys, I know - as well as anyone here, I suspect - that
    it's not easy, but the bottom line to this is simple:
    WE ALL JUST HAVE TO IGNORE THE DAMNED TR0LL!

    3. POST AS MUCH ON-TOPIC CONTENT AS YOU CAN HERE!

    More suggested guidelines are in my original post on
    this thread. I apologize to you folks for being so
    long-winded, and I won't repeat them here.

    One way that we can optimize the appeal of this forum
    is to put back the real, interesting discussion about
    recumbents that is the only reason for its existence.
    BROL has clearly become the primary forum for 'bents
    now, and I doubt that anything we do here will change
    that, but I really believe there is still a place for
    this kind of open, non-commercial forum. If we can sort
    of kickstart it, ARBR may become a much more attractive
    place for a lot of other 'bent enthusiasts to visit and
    to stop in for a chat.

    Regards,
    Wayne

  9. Wayne,

    I understand where you are going with this. Personally I do not block him.
    When I want to respond to him I am moving my response to a thread that is
    already labeled as off-topic. That way, he can respond in an off topic
    thread which shouldn't bother anybody. If he goes out of his way to move an
    off topic conversation back to an "on topic" thread then I'll keep moving it
    back to an off topic thread.

    This seems to be working well. Since he always wants to reply, he replies in
    the off-topic thread, which is fine.

    Meanwhile, I agree that people should keep starting new on-topic threads and
    replying to existing ones.

    I don't think we can eliminate him but we should be able to contain him.
    Hopefully this will placate his antagonists as well.

    Jeff
    "32GO" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hey guys -

    This message is a reminder that we are still trying a
    groupwide coordinated effort to get ARBR's TR0LL out of
    our faces. I really believe - as do most of you other
    readers and/or posters, I think - that we may be able to
    make this succeed. If we can all work together - but ONLY
    IF WE ALL WORK TOGETHER! - we can reduce the TR0LL's
    impact on this forum to noise level. It really does take
    only three simple steps:

    1. SET UP YOUR COMPUTER SO THAT YOU NEVER EVEN SEE
    THE TR0LL'S POSTS.

    If you use classical newsreader software to monitor
    ARBR, set up killfiles and/or filters so that its
    direct posts and references to it don't come through.
    If you need help, ask for it in this thread, via direct
    email to one of the other posters (not me!) who seems
    to know how to implement this kind of TR0LL traps.

    If you prefer a web-based gateway, use Cycling Forums
    rather than Google Groups:

    http://www.cyclingforums.com/f167-alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent.html

    This website blocks messages from the TR0LL. Even if you
    use the Google gateway, and either can't or won't set up
    killfile/filters, please use your own (presumably adult)
    discretion to filter out and/or ignore its content.

    2. DON'T REPLY TO THE TR0LL'S POSTS.

    If all of us non-TR0LLS who post to the group complied
    with Step One, Step Two would be unnecessary. But of
    course everyone won't, and as a result, the TR0LL is
    able to intrude through a sort of back door, even to the
    folks who did follow Step One.

    PLEASE NOTE: When you reply to one of the TR0LL's posts,
    you become a kind of codependent. YOU are giving it the
    only access it can get to everyone who did set up Step
    One, and who would, without your post, never know it's
    still in the world. This plan only works if almost
    everyone who uses this group can maintain some level of
    reasonable self-restraint. When anybody responds to the
    TR0LL, that person essentially, if unwittingly, becomes
    its lacky!

    Don't reply to any thread started by the TR0LL. Don't
    respond to any of its posts to any other thread, on or
    off topic, even if it seems to be relevant. Please ignore
    its attacks, taunts, questions, challenges and its
    (usually insincere, often preposterous) opinions even if
    they seem to be on topic. Don't EVER reply or respond to
    the TR0LL via the newsgroup - PERIOD!

    Even if you can't refrain from replying to the TR0LL,
    please do it off-group via email if you can stand it.
    This may be a sort of a valid crosscheck: if it's not
    worth a private email, it's probably not worth posting
    to the group either. Most of the folks here have read
    all they ever want to read about the TR0LL, pro or con.

    If you absolutely have to reply to it via the group,
    please put your reply in the 'DON'T FEED THE TROLL! -
    Off Topic' thread. Quote only the absolute minimum of
    its content (cut and paste), and never assign it using
    the TR0LL's real name.

    Guys, I know - as well as anyone here, I suspect - that
    it's not easy, but the bottom line to this is simple:
    WE ALL JUST HAVE TO IGNORE THE DAMNED TR0LL!

    3. POST AS MUCH ON-TOPIC CONTENT AS YOU CAN HERE!

    More suggested guidelines are in my original post on
    this thread. I apologize to you folks for being so
    long-winded, and I won't repeat them here.

    One way that we can optimize the appeal of this forum
    is to put back the real, interesting discussion about
    recumbents that is the only reason for its existence.
    BROL has clearly become the primary forum for 'bents
    now, and I doubt that anything we do here will change
    that, but I really believe there is still a place for
    this kind of open, non-commercial forum. If we can sort
    of kickstart it, ARBR may become a much more attractive
    place for a lot of other 'bent enthusiasts to visit and
    to stop in for a chat.

    Regards,
    Wayne

  10. 32GO said:

    Hey guys -

    This message is a reminder that we are still trying etc......

    I agree with what Wayne is saying, I have kill filed the troll and will not
    see any of its posts unless one of you engages it in conversation.

    Jeff, I know you mean well but the troll does not, please kill file it.

    --
    Three wheels good, two wheels ok

    www.catrike.co.uk

  11. Buck said:

    Jeff, I know you mean well but the troll does not, please kill file it.

    Or just respond directly through email rather than give him more
    excuses to waste badwidth on arbr if you find killfiling something
    you prefer not to do.

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
    Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
    net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

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