Impasse

On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 17:55:31 +0100, "Tony Raven"
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you end up munching bonnet

Let's not go there, OK?

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Nora Lenderby said:

Still, you did say a sixties comedy, while "The Magnificent
Seven Deadly Sins" dates from the early seventies.

Entirely consistent. The "sixties" as they are commonly
known commenced in 1964 and finished in 1973. It is the
calendar that is wrong on this point.

Colin Blackburn said:

Al C-F said:

RBSG Engineers said:

Should have pointed out to her at the start of the
standoff that cycle paths are neither compulsory nor
convienient and that bicycles have the same status as
any other road vehicle and that you had right of way.
Then given way, which would have left you and cyclists
in a better light.

Wrong. Foreign and Commonwealth Office rules - never
apologise, never retract, never explain.

Sit it out. State that you have ROW. Wait. Roll [censored] /
fill pipe / read newspaper / pick nose.

There was a sixties' comedy film called the Seven Deadly
Sins (or somesuch) which was a series of sketches using
each of the sins. pride was illustrated by two motorists
meeting on a long narrow country lane. One in a Rolls Royce
one in a Morris Minor (or the equivalent.) One driver
working class, one upper class. Both refused to reverse.
One was a member of the AA, one of the RAC. AA and RAC men
turned up and supported their members' positions.

Perhaps we could have a modern remake, cyclist meets car
driver at pinch point. Paul Smith and Chris Juden (sp?)
turn up to support...

In the sketch, there was no right or wrong. Both had equal
priority. Clearly, this is not the case on Weston Shore.

Quoted message said:

I can't remember how the film sketch ended.

Didn't both back up on the orders of Plod, only to have a go
again, once AA, RAC and plod had left.

In article said:

You should have been riding a trials bike so that you could
have ridden up her bonnet, across her windscreen, along her
roof, leapt onto her boot and from there to the ground.

An acquaintance of a friend claimed to have done this with a
motorbike, over a police car. Last time I saw him (many
years ago) he was wondering whether to flee the country or
turn up for a court appearance likely to result in a prison
sentence (for an unrelated incident - doing 130 on a
motorway while banned). There's a fair chance he was
bullshitting about at least some of this though.

Simonb scribed with passion and wit:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I do not think common sense prevailed for any party, just
another example

of

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bloody mindedness for all of you, this kind of thing is
immature and just creates bad blood between different
classes of road user.

So what should I have done?

I have done similar things to this in the past but in
retrospect I think you put yourself in a potentially
dangerous situation that you had identified and the car
driver had not, sure you were in the right, but I would have
given way to the car rather than trust that they would have
noticed me. Or following that I would have told the woman to
learn how to drive, then move out of the way rather than
infuriating a huge number of motorists and making them all a
little more anti cycle.

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Al C-F said:

On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 10:47:37 +0100, Succorso <chris@ivy-

house.net said:

Use the cycle path.

It's not the other road users fault if the cycle path is
deficient in some way. Use it, and complain about it to
someone who may listen (if you can find someone).

Mandatory use of cyclepaths is not enshrined in law. Right
to use the highway is.

I've had this out with Portsmouth City Council recently.
They've blue-signed the pavement next to the A27; turning,
IME, a safe straight road into a choice between stop-start
pavement progress or continuous abuse from drivers.

The local paper and local councillors[1] just don't get it
and drip about the 30% of ungrateful and reckless cyclists
who continue to use the road. I did get a good email from
their senior transport officer saying that the pavement
option was only there for inexperienced or young cyclists
and that cyclists should not be put off from using the road.
(I haven't got round to asking why inexperienced cyclists
deserve a less safe route.)

[1] Reminds of a debate about some mid-road islands a while
back. Cyclists, of course, hate them and I was a bit
suprised when support for this view came from an
unexpected quarter. Thoughts of enlightenment faded
when she gave her reason as "it's really hard to
squeeze past cyclists; some of them even try and force
you to slow down".
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On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 07:10:00 +0100, "[Not Responding]"
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[1] Reminds of a debate about some mid-road islands a while
back. Cyclists, of course, hate them and I was a bit
suprised when support for this view came from an
unexpected quarter. Thoughts of enlightenment faded
when she gave her reason as "it's really hard to
squeeze past cyclists; some of them even try and force
you to slow down".

Last night I didn't even get 300 yards from my home before
some stupid bint started an overtaking manoeuvre when I was
10 yards from a mid-road island.

I kept my line. She ended up stopped in the middle of the
road in line with the island.

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"Tony Raven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Dave Kahn said:

You should have been riding a trials bike so that you
could have ridden up her bonnet, across her windscreen,
along her roof, leapt onto her boot and from there to
the ground. Not only would this have avoided the
impasse but it would have guaranteed that she would
have noticed you.

Except that whenever you try and do it in that sort of
situation your rear wheel slips and you end up munching
bonnet on the first move.

In your experience? Never mind. From the relative positions
of the vehicles and the well signed priorities it would
clearly be the cager's fault and you could probably sue her
for the dental work.

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"Colin Blackburn" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

There was a sixties' comedy film called the Seven Deadly
Sins (or somesuch) which was a series of sketches using
each of the sins. pride was illustrated by two motorists
meeting on a long narrow country lane. One in a Rolls
Royce one in a Morris Minor (or the equivalent.) One
driver working class, one upper class. Both refused to
reverse. One was a member of the AA, one of the RAC. AA
and RAC men turned up and supported their members'
positions.

The "Pride" sketch in the 1971 film "The Magnificent Seven
Deadly Sins" with Ian Carmichael and Alfie Bass derives from
a 1963 episode of Comedy Playhouse called "Impasse" by Ray
Galton and Alan Simpson. There the drivers were played by
Bernard Cribbins and Leslie Phillips. "Impasse" was remade
in 1996 with Paul Merton and Geoffrey Whitehead.

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Dave Kahn said:

The "Pride" sketch in the 1971 film "The Magnificent Seven
Deadly Sins" with Ian Carmichael and Alfie Bass derives
from a 1963 episode of Comedy Playhouse called "Impasse"
by Ray Galton and Alan Simpson. There the drivers were
played by Bernard Cribbins and Leslie Phillips. "Impasse"
was remade in 1996 with Paul Merton and Geoffrey
Whitehead.

Ah, thank you, that has saved me Googling to see why I was
remembering Paul Merton and Alfie Bass in the same sketch.
Galton and Simpson: the hallmark of fine comedy.

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[Not Responding] wrote:

[snip]

Quoted message said:

The local paper and local councillors[1] just don't get it
and drip about the 30% of ungrateful and reckless cyclists
who continue to use the road. I did get a good email from
their senior transport officer saying that the pavement
option was only there for inexperienced or young cyclists
and that cyclists should not be put off from using the
road. (I haven't got round to asking why inexperienced
cyclists deserve a less safe route.)

I still recall, with amazement, the time I was "told off" by
a Windsor Park ranger (in car) who objected to my cycling on
the public highway and told me to use the cycle path. I took
one look at the path -- pure gravel, fit only for MTBs and
their ilk -- and got straight back on the public highway!

** Phil.

Gawnsoft said:

Last night I didn't even get 300 yards from my home before
some stupid bint started an overtaking manoeuvre when I
was 10 yards from a mid-road island.

I kept my line. She ended up stopped in the middle of the
road in line with the island.

At least she managed to stop. I've witnessed a few where
they didn't, with consequent damage to expensive wheels,
tyres and, on one particularly memorable occasion, roof.

How we larffed.

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Dave Kahn said:

The "Pride" sketch in the 1971 film "The Magnificent Seven
Deadly Sins" with Ian Carmichael and Alfie Bass derives
from a 1963 episode of Comedy Playhouse called "Impasse"
by Ray Galton and Alan Simpson. There the drivers were
played by Bernard Cribbins and Leslie Phillips. "Impasse"
was remade in 1996 with Paul Merton and Geoffrey
Whitehead.

Excellent. That brings it nicely back full circle. Thanks.

Colin
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Dave Kahn said:

Quoted message said:

Except that whenever you try and do it in that sort of
situation your rear wheel slips and you end up munching
bonnet on the first move.

In your experience? Never mind.

No its the First Law of Showing Off. "If something can go
wrong it will go wrong and the more people watching the
worse it will be."

Tony

Simonb said:

So what should I have done?

Dunno, Simon. What was the PP's purpose? Traffic calming?
(Serious question, BTW.)

James