IMBA Rep Admits Mountain Bikers Can't Be Educated!

Mike,

What a wonderful story and comment. You seem like such an intelligent and caring person. I want to
join your club and help promote your activity throughout the country. Wouldn't it be great to remove
all the threats that exist today to wildlife. We could prevent the extinction of numerous species
and help to promote a far better experience to our children and their children.

How is it that people are so inconsiderate to your actions? What a shame they can not see the
benefit of your work.

Please, please, please sign me up. I want to be ridiculed and tortured as your are. I want to
totally ignore the coexistence of nature and humans. While we're at it, we could irradicate all
human life as we know it and thus save the world for nature.

...and you thought I actually believed in your nonsense newsgroup spamming.

"Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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To: [email hidden] From: Shaun Reid <[email hidden]> Subject: RE: [BTCEB Talk]
Big Trees Road Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 19:28:30 -0700 (GMT-07: List-Help:
/"]<http:[email hidden]/>

Early in the summer, when working with the park on other matters, the

supervisor

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noted that bikes were continuing to ride through the redwood grove,

despite the

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logs that were placed along the other stretch of Big Trees. Our response

was

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notices in the newsletter, more active outreach on bike patrol, posts on

our

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list serve and mtbr, a notice on our website, reclamation of some trails

and

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signs in the park. Unfortunately, the activity, although probably not

enough to

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warrant what we now see on BTT, has continued.

-----Original Message----- From: [email hidden] Sent: Oct 6, 2003 12:30 PM To:
[email hidden] Subject: RE: [BTCEB Talk] Big Trees Road

I'm curious, when were we told this was coming?

Michael Kelley said:

Hi Buzz,

Actually, BTCEB was told that this was coming, and in fact, tried to solve the problem by
stepping up the patrols and posting signs. It appears that some folks continued to insist on
poaching. So now we have logs.

Shaun Reid President Northern California Mountain Biking Association www.ncmba.org San Francisco
Bay Area Rep IMBA www.imba.com

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I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to
help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

home.pacbell.netmjvandeOpen ↗

Perhaps you should be looking for suggestions in other newsgroups, like rec.boats, where people have
some unique ideas for dealing with jet ski operators. Or, rec.guns. :-)

"Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

To: [email hidden] From: Shaun Reid <[email hidden]> Subject: RE: [BTCEB Talk]
Big Trees Road Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 19:28:30 -0700 (GMT-07: List-Help:
/"]<http:[email hidden]/>

Early in the summer, when working with the park on other matters, the

supervisor

Quoted message said:

noted that bikes were continuing to ride through the redwood grove,

despite the

Quoted message said:

logs that were placed along the other stretch of Big Trees. Our response

was

Quoted message said:

notices in the newsletter, more active outreach on bike patrol, posts on

our

Quoted message said:

list serve and mtbr, a notice on our website, reclamation of some trails

and

Quoted message said:

signs in the park. Unfortunately, the activity, although probably not

enough to

Quoted message said:

warrant what we now see on BTT, has continued.

-----Original Message----- From: [email hidden] Sent: Oct 6, 2003 12:30 PM To:
[email hidden] Subject: RE: [BTCEB Talk] Big Trees Road

I'm curious, when were we told this was coming?

Michael Kelley said:

Hi Buzz,

Actually, BTCEB was told that this was coming, and in fact, tried to solve the problem by
stepping up the patrols and posting signs. It appears that some folks continued to insist on
poaching. So now we have logs.

Shaun Reid President Northern California Mountain Biking Association www.ncmba.org San Francisco
Bay Area Rep IMBA www.imba.com

===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to
help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

home.pacbell.netmjvandeOpen ↗

Doug Kanter says:

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Perhaps you should be looking for suggestions in other newsgroups, like rec.boats, where people
have some unique ideas for dealing with jet ski operators.

Like the one in rec.boats.building where arson was recommended as winterizing solution for jetskis?
I loved that.....

Steve
PS - are you related to Manfred at Kanter Yachts?

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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To: [email hidden] From: Shaun Reid <[email hidden]> Subject: RE: [BTCEB Talk]
Big Trees Road Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 19:28:30 -0700 (GMT-07: List-Help:
/"]<http:[email hidden]/>

Early in the summer, when working with the park on other matters,

..a young schoolboy wandered up to me.

"Mr, why aren't you wearing any pants"

"Why you young scallywag, I should give you a right rogering"

me as you have of being thought of as credible"

And this M' Lord forms the basis of the first count.

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San Francisco Bay Area Rep IMBA www.imba.com

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I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to
help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

home.pacbell.netmjvandeOpen ↗

On Tue, 7 Oct 2003 07:05:20 -0400, "Sir Ride-A-Lot" <Sir.Ride-a-Lot<NOSPAM>@careercenter.com> wrote:

.Mike, . .What a wonderful story and comment. You seem like such an intelligent and .caring person.
I want to join your club and help promote your activity .throughout the country. Wouldn't it be
great to remove all the threats that .exist today to wildlife. We could prevent the extinction of
numerous .species and help to promote a far better experience to our children and .their children. .
.How is it that people are so inconsiderate to your actions? What a shame .they can not see the
benefit of your work. . .Please, please, please sign me up. I want to be ridiculed and tortured as
.your are. I want to totally ignore the coexistence of nature and humans. .While we're at it, we
could irradicate all human life as we know it and thus .save the world for nature. . ....and you
thought I actually believed in your nonsense newsgroup spamming.

Did you say something?

."Mike Vandeman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
."]news:[email hidden]... .> To: [email hidden] .> From: Shaun Reid
<[email hidden]> .> Subject: RE: [BTCEB Talk] Big Trees Road .> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003
19:28:30 -0700 (GMT-07: .> List-Help: /"]<http:[email hidden]/> .> .> Early in
the summer, when working with the park on other matters, the .supervisor .> noted that bikes were
continuing to ride through the redwood grove, .despite the .> logs that were placed along the other
stretch of Big Trees. Our response .was .> notices in the newsletter, more active outreach on bike
patrol, posts on .our .> list serve and mtbr, a notice on our website, reclamation of some trails
.and .> signs in the park. Unfortunately, the activity, although probably not .enough to .> warrant
what we now see on BTT, has continued. .> .> -----Original Message----- .> From: [email hidden] .>
Sent: Oct 6, 2003 12:30 PM .> To: [email hidden] .> Subject: RE: [BTCEB Talk] Big Trees Road
.> .> .> I'm curious, when were we told this was coming? .> .> Michael Kelley wrote: .> > Hi Buzz,
.> > .> > Actually, BTCEB was told that this was coming, and in fact, tried to .> > solve .> > the
problem by stepping up the patrols and posting signs. It appears .> > that .> > some folks continued
to insist on poaching. So now we have logs. .> > .> .> .> .> .> Shaun Reid .> President .> Northern
California Mountain Biking Association .> www.ncmba.org .> San Francisco Bay Area Rep .> IMBA
www.imba.com .> .> === .> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to .> humans
("pure habitat"😉. Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 .> years fighting auto dependence and road
construction.) .> .> home.pacbell.netmjvandeOpen ↗ .

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I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"😉. Want to
help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

home.pacbell.netmjvandeOpen ↗

Mike Vandeman <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

To: [email hidden] From: Shaun Reid <[email hidden]> Subject: RE: [BTCEB Talk]
Big Trees Road Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 19:28:30 -0700 (GMT-07: List-Help:
/"]<http:[email hidden]/>

Early in the summer, when working with the park on other matters, the supervisor noted that bikes
were continuing to ride through the redwood grove, despite the logs that were placed along the
other stretch of Big Trees. Our response was notices in the newsletter, more active outreach on
bike patrol, posts on our list serve and mtbr, a notice on our website, reclamation of some trails
and signs in the park. Unfortunately, the activity, although probably not enough to warrant what
we now see on BTT, has continued.

True, the offer to "educate" mountain bikers is merely a stall tactic to keep land managers from
denying or rescinding access. Everybody knows "education" doesn't work and that the mountain bike
leaders are the worst offenders when it comes to illegal trail building and riding.

Terri Alvillar