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The Crow said:
Further research leads me to conclude it's not something I need think about.
T-bar rows are great, but only if you have a chest support.
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"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...Quoted message said:
The Crow said:
Further research leads me to conclude it's not something I need think
about.Quoted message said:
T-bar rows are great, but only if you have a chest support.Wouldn't doing them without chest support strengthen your core? I've seen
many a picture with Arnold and the like doing them without support. -
John said:
JMW said:
The Crow said:
Further research leads me to conclude it's not something I need think
about.T-bar rows are great, but only if you have a chest support.
Wouldn't doing them without chest support strengthen your core? I've seen
many a picture with Arnold and the like doing them without support.[a] It's not a good position for anyone with any lower back issues.
[b] The "core strengthening" fad is a bit overrated.
[c] If I want core strengthening, I'll work on some sort of dynamic,
compound exercise, not static, isometric tension.
[d] Never do anything just because Arnold did it. -
"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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John said:
JMW said:
"The Crow" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>Further research leads me to conclude it's not something I need
>think
>about.T-bar rows are great, but only if you have a chest support.
Wouldn't doing them without chest support strengthen your core? I've
seen
many a picture with Arnold and the like doing them without support.[a] It's not a good position for anyone with any lower back issues.
[Man with bad back raises hand, nods head.]
[quote="Quoted message"][b] The "core strengthening" fad is a bit overrated.
[c] If I want core strengthening, I'll work on some sort of dynamic,
compound exercise, not static, isometric tension.
[d] Never do anything just because Arnold did it.[/quote] -
[quote="JMW"][b] The "core strengthening" fad is a bit overrated.[/quote]
As someone who deals with lower back and neck issues, I find it useful.
(The "strengthening," not the fad.) It's very helpful for me to have
good posture, and it's much easier to have good posture when I have a
solid "core." YM, as always, MV.Quoted message said:
[c] If I want core strengthening, I'll work on some sort of dynamic,
compound exercise, not static, isometric tension.
My "core" workout consists of straight-legged deadlifts, sumo squats,
dumbbell swings, and Pilates (yeah yeah I know but my neck issues make
it difficult for me to deal with traditional ab workouts). It's serving
me very well. -
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[quote="Quoted message"]John said:
JMW said:
"The Crow" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>Further research leads me to conclude it's not something I need think
>about.T-bar rows are great, but only if you have a chest support.
Wouldn't doing them without chest support strengthen your core? I've seen
many a picture with Arnold and the like doing them without support.
[a] It's not a good position for anyone with any lower back issues.
[b] The "core strengthening" fad is a bit overrated.
[c] If I want core strengthening, I'll work on some sort of dynamic,
compound exercise, not static, isometric tension.
[d] Never do anything just because Arnold did it.[/quote]
We all know squats, military presses, etc... build core strength. Those are
isometric, no? -
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John said:
"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...Quoted message said:
The Crow said:
Further research leads me to conclude it's not something I need think
about.Quoted message said:
T-bar rows are great, but only if you have a chest support.Wouldn't doing them without chest support strengthen your core? I've seen
many a picture with Arnold and the like doing them without support.We have one of each at our gym. ;-)
Depends on what you want to accomplish.
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Om."My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson
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John said:
"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...Quoted message said:
The Crow said:
Further research leads me to conclude it's not something I need think
about.Quoted message said:
T-bar rows are great, but only if you have a chest support.Wouldn't doing them without chest support strengthen your core? I've seen
many a picture with Arnold and the like doing them without support.We have one of each at our gym. ;-)
Depends on what you want to accomplish.
--
Om."My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson
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JMW said:
[d] Never do anything just because Arnold did it.
Yet more great -sig. material. ;-)
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Om."My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson
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In article <[email hidden]>,
JMW said:
[d] Never do anything just because Arnold did it.
Yet more great -sig. material. ;-)
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Om."My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson
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[quote="'John'"][quote="'JMW'"]
John said:
"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> "The Crow" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
> >Further research leads me to conclude it's not something I need think
> >about.
>
> T-bar rows are great, but only if you have a chest support.Wouldn't doing them without chest support strengthen your core? I've seen
many a picture with Arnold and the like doing them without support.
[a] It's not a good position for anyone with any lower back issues.
[b] The "core strengthening" fad is a bit overrated.
[c] If I want core strengthening, I'll work on some sort of dynamic,
compound exercise, not static, isometric tension.
[d] Never do anything just because Arnold did it.[/quote]
We all know squats, military presses, etc... build core strength. Those are
isometric, no?[/quote]
Uh, no. At least not squats.
"isometric - muscle contraction without movement at the joint."
http://ymghealthinfo.org/content.asp?pageid=P01158#I
"Core strength" is an intentionally vague term. Spine flexors? Spine
extensors? Hip flexors? Hip extensors? Hip abductors/adductors?
All? Some?
Your "core" is made up largely of smooth muscle organs for which
weight training won't do diddlyshit. If someone wants to accurately
define what "core strength" is, other than a pop fitness term like
"toning" and "eating clean," then maybe I can be more specific. -
[quote="'John'"][quote="'JMW'"]
John said:
"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> "The Crow" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
> >Further research leads me to conclude it's not something I need think
> >about.
>
> T-bar rows are great, but only if you have a chest support.Wouldn't doing them without chest support strengthen your core? I've seen
many a picture with Arnold and the like doing them without support.
[a] It's not a good position for anyone with any lower back issues.
[b] The "core strengthening" fad is a bit overrated.
[c] If I want core strengthening, I'll work on some sort of dynamic,
compound exercise, not static, isometric tension.
[d] Never do anything just because Arnold did it.[/quote]
We all know squats, military presses, etc... build core strength. Those are
isometric, no?[/quote]
Uh, no. At least not squats.
"isometric - muscle contraction without movement at the joint."
http://ymghealthinfo.org/content.asp?pageid=P01158#I
"Core strength" is an intentionally vague term. Spine flexors? Spine
extensors? Hip flexors? Hip extensors? Hip abductors/adductors?
All? Some?
Your "core" is made up largely of smooth muscle organs for which
weight training won't do diddlyshit. If someone wants to accurately
define what "core strength" is, other than a pop fitness term like
"toning" and "eating clean," then maybe I can be more specific. -
In article <[email hidden]>,
[quote="JMW"][quote="'John'"][quote="'JMW'"]"John" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> "The Crow" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>> >Further research leads me to conclude it's not something I need think
>> >about.
>>
>> T-bar rows are great, but only if you have a chest support.
>
>Wouldn't doing them without chest support strengthen your core? I've seen
>many a picture with Arnold and the like doing them without support.
[a] It's not a good position for anyone with any lower back issues.
[b] The "core strengthening" fad is a bit overrated.
[c] If I want core strengthening, I'll work on some sort of dynamic,
compound exercise, not static, isometric tension.
[d] Never do anything just because Arnold did it.[/quote]
We all know squats, military presses, etc... build core strength. Those are
isometric, no?[/quote]
Uh, no. At least not squats.
"isometric - muscle contraction without movement at the joint."
http://ymghealthinfo.org/content.asp?pageid=P01158#I
"Core strength" is an intentionally vague term. Spine flexors? Spine
extensors? Hip flexors? Hip extensors? Hip abductors/adductors?
All? Some?
Your "core" is made up largely of smooth muscle organs for which
weight training won't do diddlyshit. If someone wants to accurately
define what "core strength" is, other than a pop fitness term like
"toning" and "eating clean," then maybe I can be more specific.[/quote]
Personally, I've always attributed the term to torso strength and
conditioning.
Just my 2 cents. :-)
--
Om.
"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson -
In article <[email hidden]>,
[quote="JMW"][quote="'John'"][quote="'JMW'"]"John" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> "The Crow" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>> >Further research leads me to conclude it's not something I need think
>> >about.
>>
>> T-bar rows are great, but only if you have a chest support.
>
>Wouldn't doing them without chest support strengthen your core? I've seen
>many a picture with Arnold and the like doing them without support.
[a] It's not a good position for anyone with any lower back issues.
[b] The "core strengthening" fad is a bit overrated.
[c] If I want core strengthening, I'll work on some sort of dynamic,
compound exercise, not static, isometric tension.
[d] Never do anything just because Arnold did it.[/quote]
We all know squats, military presses, etc... build core strength. Those are
isometric, no?[/quote]
Uh, no. At least not squats.
"isometric - muscle contraction without movement at the joint."
http://ymghealthinfo.org/content.asp?pageid=P01158#I
"Core strength" is an intentionally vague term. Spine flexors? Spine
extensors? Hip flexors? Hip extensors? Hip abductors/adductors?
All? Some?
Your "core" is made up largely of smooth muscle organs for which
weight training won't do diddlyshit. If someone wants to accurately
define what "core strength" is, other than a pop fitness term like
"toning" and "eating clean," then maybe I can be more specific.[/quote]
Personally, I've always attributed the term to torso strength and
conditioning.
Just my 2 cents. :-)
--
Om.
"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson -
"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
Quoted message said:
Your "core" is made up largely of smooth muscle organs for which
weight training won't do diddlyshit. If someone wants to accurately
define what "core strength" is, other than a pop fitness term like
"toning" and "eating clean," then maybe I can be more specific.Yeah, I think every certified trainer with a swiss ball likes to throw
around the 'core strength' term. The PT in the next room says she thinks of
it as mainly multifidus and transverse abdominus. Apparently one can spend a
lot of time just trying to teach someone to activate them. -
"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
Quoted message said:
Your "core" is made up largely of smooth muscle organs for which
weight training won't do diddlyshit. If someone wants to accurately
define what "core strength" is, other than a pop fitness term like
"toning" and "eating clean," then maybe I can be more specific.Yeah, I think every certified trainer with a swiss ball likes to throw
around the 'core strength' term. The PT in the next room says she thinks of
it as mainly multifidus and transverse abdominus. Apparently one can spend a
lot of time just trying to teach someone to activate them. -
Ranieri' nah said:
"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote in messageQuoted message said:
Your "core" is made up largely of smooth muscle organs for which
weight training won't do diddlyshit. If someone wants to accurately
define what "core strength" is, other than a pop fitness term like
"toning" and "eating clean," then maybe I can be more specific.Yeah, I think every certified trainer with a swiss ball likes to throw
around the 'core strength' term. The PT in the next room says she thinks of
it as mainly multifidus and transverse abdominus. Apparently one can spend a
lot of time just trying to teach someone to activate them.Multifidi are pretty easily activated in spinal extensions (hypers) if
you want to do a little rotation along with it. If you really want to
give the transversus abdominus a workout, go on a ketogenic diet
without any fiber, then take a dump. -
[quote="JMW"][quote="'John'"][quote="'JMW'"]"John" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>>"The Crow" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Further research leads me to conclude it's not something I need think
>>>about.
>>
>>T-bar rows are great, but only if you have a chest support.
>
>Wouldn't doing them without chest support strengthen your core? I've seen
>many a picture with Arnold and the like doing them without support.
[a] It's not a good position for anyone with any lower back issues.
[b] The "core strengthening" fad is a bit overrated.
[c] If I want core strengthening, I'll work on some sort of dynamic,
compound exercise, not static, isometric tension.
[d] Never do anything just because Arnold did it.[/quote]
We all know squats, military presses, etc... build core strength. Those are
isometric, no?[/quote]
Uh, no. At least not squats.
"isometric - muscle contraction without movement at the joint."
http://ymghealthinfo.org/content.asp?pageid=P01158#I
"Core strength" is an intentionally vague term. Spine flexors? Spine
extensors? Hip flexors? Hip extensors? Hip abductors/adductors?
All? Some?
Your "core" is made up largely of smooth muscle organs for which
weight training won't do diddlyshit. If someone wants to accurately
define what "core strength" is, other than a pop fitness term like
"toning" and "eating clean," then maybe I can be more specific.[/quote]
But John, don't you do your bench presses on an exercise ball in a smith
machine?????
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On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:26:05 +0800, spodosaurus
[quote="spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com"][quote="JMW"][quote="'John'"]"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>"John" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>>"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>>>"The Crow" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Further research leads me to conclude it's not something I need think
>>>>about.
>>>
>>>T-bar rows are great, but only if you have a chest support.
>>
>>Wouldn't doing them without chest support strengthen your core? I've seen
>>many a picture with Arnold and the like doing them without support.
>
>[a] It's not a good position for anyone with any lower back issues.
>[b] The "core strengthening" fad is a bit overrated.
>[c] If I want core strengthening, I'll work on some sort of dynamic,
> compound exercise, not static, isometric tension.
>[d] Never do anything just because Arnold did it.
We all know squats, military presses, etc... build core strength. Those are
isometric, no?[/quote]
Uh, no. At least not squats.
"isometric - muscle contraction without movement at the joint."
http://ymghealthinfo.org/content.asp?pageid=P01158#I
"Core strength" is an intentionally vague term. Spine flexors? Spine
extensors? Hip flexors? Hip extensors? Hip abductors/adductors?
All? Some?
Your "core" is made up largely of smooth muscle organs for which
weight training won't do diddlyshit. If someone wants to accurately
define what "core strength" is, other than a pop fitness term like
"toning" and "eating clean," then maybe I can be more specific.[/quote]
But John, don't you do your bench presses on an exercise ball in a smith
machine?????[/quote]
There's another way?
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