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  1. to see more people in here supportive of each other, rather than try to find
    things to put each other down. I know that most people here are exactly
    like that, but there are too many who are skeptical and won't believe what
    others here say. Come on, most of us are speaking from experience.We know
    we didn't lose our fat bellies the same as you will, but we have a good
    pilot program that works for most, and if it doesn't work for you, we will
    work with you.

    I think that is what this NG is about.

  2. I think that some are supportive, but there is so much "junk" in here and
    instead of ignoring the "junk", people respond to it, which encourages it
    even more.

    I would like to see some more interesting posts about people who are 1.
    beginning on low carb and have legitimate questions 2. struggling with
    some aspect of low carb 3. need advice about anything related to low carb
    and 4. have any great tips or new ideas on preparing foods, losing weight,
    maintaining weight using a low carb approach, mental strategies that we do
    to help ourselves stay small once we've lost, etc. 5. even the scientific
    aspects of low carb, I enjoy--digesting carbs, metabolizing them, excreting
    them with ketosis, etc. 🙂

    What I've seen, instead, it seems, 1. is political before the election,
    someone named patriotinFlorida was on a rabid antiBush campaign, 2. some
    strange off-the-wall posts by a Dr. Andrew Chung (? if I remember his name
    right), various strange posts about famous people about whom I couldn't
    care less (unless it has to do with weight loss and gain), and of course,
    3. various name calling, insult slinging, etc. and 4. a variety of
    totally nonrelated to low carb posts.

    But it's an open forum, and so I just cherry pick. I used to read this
    site a lot more and still have it linked from my website under my diet
    page, but it's going to "go" pretty soon from there, probably.

    JMO, from one who has "low-carbed" to lose weight, not necessarily because
    I believe I must in order to be healthy.

    Becky P.
    www.family.solidrockpl.org

  3. curious curious@noemailshown said:

    I think that some are supportive, but there is so much "junk" in here and
    instead of ignoring the "junk", people respond to it, which encourages it
    even more.

    I would like to see some more interesting posts about people who are 1.
    beginning on low carb and have legitimate questions 2. struggling with
    some aspect of low carb 3. need advice about anything related to low carb
    and 4. have any great tips or new ideas on preparing foods, losing
    weight,
    maintaining weight using a low carb approach, mental strategies that we
    do
    to help ourselves stay small once we've lost, etc. 5. even the
    scientific
    aspects of low carb, I enjoy--digesting carbs, metabolizing them,
    excreting
    them with ketosis, etc. 🙂

    What I've seen, instead, it seems, 1. is political before the election,
    someone named patriotinFlorida was on a rabid antiBush campaign, 2. some
    strange off-the-wall posts by a Dr. Andrew Chung (? if I remember his
    name
    right), various strange posts about famous people about whom I couldn't
    care less (unless it has to do with weight loss and gain), and of course,
    3. various name calling, insult slinging, etc. and 4. a variety of
    totally nonrelated to low carb posts.

    But it's an open forum, and so I just cherry pick. I used to read this
    site a lot more and still have it linked from my website under my diet
    page, but it's going to "go" pretty soon from there, probably.

    JMO, from one who has "low-carbed" to lose weight, not necessarily
    because
    I believe I must in order to be healthy.

    Becky P.
    www.family.solidrockpl.org

    Doesn't losing weight make you healthier? I chose low carb because high
    carb, low fat began to make my head spin.

    --
    Bob in CT

  4. Now for a round of kumbaya.....

    --
    Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

    "Jim Bard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:Lfvvd.66732$_g6.5172@okepread03...

    Quoted message said:

    to see more people in here supportive of each other, rather than try to
    find things to put each other down. I know that most people here are
    exactly like that, but there are too many who are skeptical and won't
    believe what others here say. Come on, most of us are speaking from
    experience.We know we didn't lose our fat bellies the same as you will,
    but we have a good pilot program that works for most, and if it doesn't
    work for you, we will work with you.

    I think that is what this NG is about.

  5. "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Now for a round of kumbaya.....

    --
    Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

    Well, I guess you're the singer, and probably the only one that knows the
    words.

  6. Altogether now...

    --
    You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW

    "Jim Bard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:kURvd.771$7s5.170@okepread03...

    Quoted message said:


    "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Now for a round of kumbaya.....

    --
    Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

    Well, I guess you're the singer, and probably the only one that knows the
    words.

  7. Jim Bard said:


    I wouild like to see more people in here supportive of each other,
    rather than try to find things to put each other down.

    Define support.

    Is it support to watch someone doing the wrong thing and not tell
    them that's what they are doing? I do not think giving strokes
    for doing the wrong thing is support.

    Is tough love support or is it putting down? If you have love in
    your own heart it's support. If you don't, you'll think it's a put
    down.

    On ASDLC there is a lot of support, a lot of types of support, and
    some of it is both true and difficult to take.

  8. Jim Bard said:

    to see more people in here supportive of each other, rather than try to find
    things to put each other down. I know that most people here are exactly
    like that, but there are too many who are skeptical and won't believe what
    others here say. Come on, most of us are speaking from experience.We know
    we didn't lose our fat bellies the same as you will, but we have a good
    pilot program that works for most, and if it doesn't work for you, we will
    work with you.

    I think that is what this NG is about.


    I agree with you on the support thing in this NG. Do what I did Jim, get
    the agitators & Deadbeats going in a thread. It's easier to collect all
    the names for a message filter(killfile) at one time, instead of here
    and there. ROFL
    The NG is manageable now that I got rid of the dead beats. There are
    plenty of good people, with good ideas in here.

  9. But the error is in thinking that the right way for you is the right way for
    everyone else. It ain't necessarily so.

    In news:[email hidden],
    Doug Freyburger <[email hidden]> stated
    | Jim Bard wrote:
    ||
    || I wouild like to see more people in here supportive of each other,
    || rather than try to find things to put each other down.
    |
    | Define support.
    |
    | Is it support to watch someone doing the wrong thing and not tell
    | them that's what they are doing? I do not think giving strokes
    | for doing the wrong thing is support.
    |
    | Is tough love support or is it putting down? If you have love in
    | your own heart it's support. If you don't, you'll think it's a put
    | down.
    |
    | On ASDLC there is a lot of support, a lot of types of support, and
    | some of it is both true and difficult to take.

  10. : > I wouild like to see more people in here supportive of each other,
    : > rather than try to find things to put each other down.
    :
    : Define support.
    :
    : Is it support to watch someone doing the wrong thing and not tell
    : them that's what they are doing? I do not think giving strokes
    : for doing the wrong thing is support.

    I hear ya. Some people, it seems to me, only want others to say "You're
    okay. Whatever you want to do is okay." instead of hearing anything
    contradictory. Then, if you tell them something they don't want to hear,
    such as "Stop Smoking", they complain you aren't being supportive enough!

    :
    : Is tough love support or is it putting down? If you have love in
    : your own heart it's support. If you don't, you'll think it's a put
    : down.
    :
    : On ASDLC there is a lot of support, a lot of types of support, and
    : some of it is both true and difficult to take.

    I recently met someone who was moving to another town--into a place where I
    had lived for a couple of years. I told him what I remembered about the
    town--"just the facts, ma'am". To my surprise, he told me I was "ruining
    his dreams" and being "racist" and "negative". WTF? He didn't want to hear
    an objective look at the town, so suddenly it became "my problem". I guess
    I'm lucky because he didn't call me hateful for telling him what the weather
    was like there or that the traffic was brutal in the morning. Some people
    SAY they want support, but they really just want a rose-colored picture of
    life.

    Pat in TX
    :

  11. "FOB" <: But the error is in thinking that the right way for you is the
    right way for
    : everyone else. It ain't necessarily so.

    If someone doesn't *really* want to hear what a diverse group of people have
    to say, then he shouldn't go on USENET and ask their opinions! Or, maybe
    put a disclaimer in front: "I want to know what you think but only so far as
    it agrees with me."

    Pat in TX

  12. And some people just want a friendly ear, not a major opinion on
    everything they say. :-)

    --
    Cheri

    Pat wrote in message <[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    I recently met someone who was moving to another town--into a place


    where I

    Quoted message said:

    had lived for a couple of years. I told him what I remembered about the
    town--"just the facts, ma'am". To my surprise, he told me I was


    "ruining

    Quoted message said:

    his dreams" and being "racist" and "negative". WTF? He didn't want to


    hear

    Quoted message said:

    an objective look at the town, so suddenly it became "my problem". I


    guess

    Quoted message said:

    I'm lucky because he didn't call me hateful for telling him what the


    weather

    Quoted message said:

    was like there or that the traffic was brutal in the morning. Some


    people

    Quoted message said:

    SAY they want support, but they really just want a rose-colored picture


    of

    Quoted message said:

    life.

    Pat in TX
    :

  13. FOB said:


    But the error is in thinking that the right way for you is the right


    way for

    Quoted message said:

    everyone else. It ain't necessarily so.

    Agreed, but there's more to it than that. Some people post what worked
    or failed for them. Others have spend years on various forums and have
    learned what works or fails on the average. The fun part is telling
    the
    two groups apart.

    If someone posts what works or fails on average, it's good advice. One
    should always start out heading for the average first and then
    experiment
    with variations later.

  14. No, I want to hear your suggestions and am interested in things that have
    been helpful to you, but I don't want to hear that I am doomed to failure if
    I don't follow your directions.

    In news:[email hidden],
    Pat <[email hidden]> stated
    | "FOB" <: But the error is in thinking that the right way for you is
    | the right way for
    || everyone else. It ain't necessarily so.
    |
    | If someone doesn't *really* want to hear what a diverse group of
    | people have to say, then he shouldn't go on USENET and ask their
    | opinions! Or, maybe put a disclaimer in front: "I want to know what
    | you think but only so far as it agrees with me."
    |
    | Pat in TX

  15. Why do you change your name to get around killfiles?

    --
    You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW

    "Bunky42" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:ZD1wd.17791$1%.15243@fed1read03...

    Quoted message said:
    Jim Bard said:

    to see more people in here supportive of each other, rather than try to
    find things to put each other down. I know that most people here are
    exactly like that, but there are too many who are skeptical and won't
    believe what others here say. Come on, most of us are speaking from
    experience.We know we didn't lose our fat bellies the same as you will,
    but we have a good pilot program that works for most, and if it doesn't
    work for you, we will work with you.

    I think that is what this NG is about.


    I agree with you on the support thing in this NG. Do what I did Jim, get
    the agitators & Deadbeats going in a thread. It's easier to collect all
    the names for a message filter(killfile) at one time, instead of here and
    there. ROFL
    The NG is manageable now that I got rid of the dead beats. There are
    plenty of good people, with good ideas in here.

  16. As in you should eat more and exercise less to lose weight, because you're
    special like that.

    --
    You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW

    "Graphic Queen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Pat said:


    "FOB" <: But the error is in thinking that the right way for you is the
    right way for
    : everyone else. It ain't necessarily so.

    If someone doesn't *really* want to hear what a diverse group of people
    have
    to say, then he shouldn't go on USENET and ask their opinions! Or, maybe
    put a disclaimer in front: "I want to know what you think but only so far
    as
    it agrees with me."

    Pat in TX


    That isn't what has been happening. For the most part what has been
    happening is that some have decided that whatever it is that they do
    is what everyone should do. PERIOD. And what he is saying, and me for
    that matter, is that everyone is different and what works for some is
    not necessarily going to work for some others.

  17. "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Altogether now...

    --
    You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW

    "Jim Bard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:kURvd.771$7s5.170@okepread03...

    Quoted message said:


    "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Now for a round of kumbaya.....

    --
    Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. --
    MFW

    Well, I guess you're the singer, and probably the only one that knows the
    words.


    What key is that? Anyone got a harmonica?

  18. "Doug Freyburger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Jim Bard said:


    I wouild like to see more people in here supportive of each other,
    rather than try to find things to put each other down.

    Define support.

    I consider support to be talking about the subject of this newsgroup
    honestly and providing the most information, rather than engaging in
    personal attacks that benefit nobody.

  19. "Graphic Queen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Pat said:


    "FOB" <: But the error is in thinking that the right way for you is the
    right way for
    : everyone else. It ain't necessarily so.

    If someone doesn't *really* want to hear what a diverse group of people
    have
    to say, then he shouldn't go on USENET and ask their opinions! Or, maybe
    put a disclaimer in front: "I want to know what you think but only so far
    as
    it agrees with me."

    Pat in TX


    That isn't what has been happening. For the most part what has been
    happening is that some have decided that whatever it is that they do
    is what everyone should do. PERIOD. And what he is saying, and me for
    that matter, is that everyone is different and what works for some is
    not necessarily going to work for some others.

    Exactly. If we were all carbon-copies of each other, health and nutrition
    would be an easy matter. But we're not, so it's not. What works for me
    might never work for you, but there is a chance that it will, so I will
    share my experiences, as you will share yours. If they don't work across
    the field, there's no point for anyone to get up in arms about it.

  20. "Doug Freyburger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    FOB said:


    But the error is in thinking that the right way for you is the right


    way for

    Quoted message said:

    everyone else. It ain't necessarily so.

    Agreed, but there's more to it than that. Some people post what worked
    or failed for them. Others have spend years on various forums and have
    learned what works or fails on the average. The fun part is telling
    the
    two groups apart.

    If someone posts what works or fails on average, it's good advice. One
    should always start out heading for the average first and then
    experiment
    with variations later.

    That's an excellent point, Doug!

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