I was really motivated to do multi laps today

Ken said:

And I got out there and I was having a good first lap when I got at puncture
flat! Well that is par for the course. I was pretty close to home so I just
walked the bike home, when I got the bike into the garage and rotated the
tire I found the offensive object still stuck in my tire. I grabbed it with
a pair of pliars and pulled it out. HOLY [censored]!! This thing was huge! By far
the largest thing I have removed so far! Take a look here:
http://kcm-home.tripod.com/id20.html It was almost two inches long! How I
didn't see that to avoid it is beyond me. Any way after removing the wheel,
tire and tube I found the punture wounds yes it went in one side and out the
other! I checked my tire kit, I only had 1 patch, so I tried cutting it in
half, only one held. So I had to go to the local x-mart and pick me up a
tube and a patch kit. I put the new tube in and will patch the other for a
spare. Bike is good to ride again. Need to do another lap tonight to make up
for the morning mishap!

Ken

Important lesson - get back-up bike. Any bike.

I plan for lots of redundancy since I don't want my equipment to stand in
the way of my kicking my own ass. I have a couple domestiques that help me
from time to time. I reward them handsomely. <g>

jj
(cheaper alternative, have spare wheel in garage).

Ken wrote:
:: And I got out there and I was having a good first lap when I got at
:: puncture flat! Well that is par for the course. I was pretty close
:: to home so I just walked the bike home, when I got the bike into the
:: garage and rotated the tire I found the offensive object still stuck
:: in my tire. I grabbed it with a pair of pliars and pulled it out.
:: HOLY [censored]!! This thing was huge! By far the largest thing I have
:: removed so far! Take a look here:
:: http://kcm-home.tripod.com/id20.html It was almost two inches long!
:: How I didn't see that to avoid it is beyond me. Any way after
:: removing the wheel, tire and tube I found the punture wounds yes it
:: went in one side and out the other! I checked my tire kit, I only
:: had 1 patch, so I tried cutting it in half, only one held. So I had
:: to go to the local x-mart and pick me up a tube and a patch kit. I
:: put the new tube in and will patch the other for a spare. Bike is
:: good to ride again. Need to do another lap tonight to make up for
:: the morning mishap!
::

Is money a problem? I'd personally can that old tube.

Amazing, the size of that object. My guess is you weren't looking at the
road when you went over it.

jj said:

Quoted message said:

(cheaper alternative, have spare wheel in garage).

An extra tire and some tubes is a lot less money than extra wheels.

"Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Ken wrote:
:: And I got out there and I was having a good first lap when I got at
:: puncture flat! Well that is par for the course. I was pretty close
:: to home so I just walked the bike home, when I got the bike into the
:: garage and rotated the tire I found the offensive object still stuck
:: in my tire. I grabbed it with a pair of pliars and pulled it out.
:: HOLY [censored]!! This thing was huge! By far the largest thing I have
:: removed so far! Take a look here:
:: http://kcm-home.tripod.com/id20.html It was almost two inches long!
:: How I didn't see that to avoid it is beyond me. Any way after
:: removing the wheel, tire and tube I found the punture wounds yes it
:: went in one side and out the other! I checked my tire kit, I only
:: had 1 patch, so I tried cutting it in half, only one held. So I had
:: to go to the local x-mart and pick me up a tube and a patch kit. I
:: put the new tube in and will patch the other for a spare. Bike is
:: good to ride again. Need to do another lap tonight to make up for
:: the morning mishap!
::

Is money a problem? I'd personally can that old tube.

Amazing, the size of that object. My guess is you weren't looking at the
road when you went over it.

No money really isn't the problem. I am just a frugal living specialist
(A.K.A cheap [censored]). Yeah I guess I was looking at something else. Like
maybe the corner I had just turned.

Ken

Ken said:

And I got out there and I was having a good first lap when I got at puncture
flat! Well that is par for the course. I was pretty close to home so I just
walked the bike home, when I got the bike into the garage and rotated the
tire I found the offensive object still stuck in my tire. I grabbed it with
a pair of pliars and pulled it out. HOLY [censored]!! This thing was huge! By far
the largest thing I have removed so far! Take a look here:
http://kcm-home.tripod.com/id20.html It was almost two inches long! How I
didn't see that to avoid it is beyond me. Any way after removing the wheel,
tire and tube I found the punture wounds yes it went in one side and out the
other! I checked my tire kit, I only had 1 patch, so I tried cutting it in
half, only one held. So I had to go to the local x-mart and pick me up a
tube and a patch kit. I put the new tube in and will patch the other for a
spare. Bike is good to ride again. Need to do another lap tonight to make up
for the morning mishap!

Heh, I had one just a touch shorter last year, call it 1.5 inches. I
basically got a slow leak from it, and just stopped and pumped every
ten miles or so [1](I was only 25 miles from home at that point).
I didn't discover that I had a big honking nail in my tire until I got
home and went to change it. It pierced the tire and only one side of
the tube though.

I was riding nice thick Conti TT2K's, so it sealed fairly well around
the nail. Thus enabling me to get home without actually dirtying my
hands.

[1] I was feeling exceptionally lazy, and had roughly zero desire to
change a rear flat at that point.

--
Dane Jackson - z u v e m b i @ u n i x b i g o t s . o r g
Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside a dog it's too
dark to read. -- Groucho Marx

Ken said:

"Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Ken wrote:
:: And I got out there and I was having a good first lap when I got at
:: puncture flat! Well that is par for the course. I was pretty close
:: to home so I just walked the bike home, when I got the bike into the
:: garage and rotated the tire I found the offensive object still stuck
:: in my tire. I grabbed it with a pair of pliars and pulled it out.
:: HOLY [censored]!! This thing was huge! By far the largest thing I have
:: removed so far! Take a look here:
:: http://kcm-home.tripod.com/id20.html It was almost two inches long!
:: How I didn't see that to avoid it is beyond me. Any way after
:: removing the wheel, tire and tube I found the punture wounds yes it
:: went in one side and out the other! I checked my tire kit, I only
:: had 1 patch, so I tried cutting it in half, only one held. So I had
:: to go to the local x-mart and pick me up a tube and a patch kit. I
:: put the new tube in and will patch the other for a spare. Bike is
:: good to ride again. Need to do another lap tonight to make up for
:: the morning mishap!
::

Is money a problem? I'd personally can that old tube.

Amazing, the size of that object. My guess is you weren't looking at the
road when you went over it.

No money really isn't the problem. I am just a frugal living specialist
(A.K.A cheap [censored]). Yeah I guess I was looking at something else. Like
maybe the corner I had just turned.

Ken

I'm also quite frugal - I'll go to the library rather than the bookstore at
times. eat hamburger for a month, cut my own hair, ride a bike to save gas,
but that's so when I want something that's critical I can buy it without
qualms. There are not many things that I feel are critical and yeah, some
of these things might be considered 'toys', or luxuries by other people.

Do as you will, but consider being frugal isn't all about denial, perhaps.

PS, cool blog! As far as riding in the rain...I look for opportunities to
ride my rain bike. But as you say it has to be good conditions - some rains
are good, some rains (say with lightning) are not so cool. Sometimes I'll
ride a very bad, cold, rainy day just to steel myself. That way if I have
to ride some cool event and it rains I'll say 'so what? I've ridden in very
cold, very rainy conditions and I can cope just fine'. When I do that kind
of thing I make sure to ride an optimal course at an optimal time with
optimal gear. Sometimes it takes a couple of these rides to -find- the
correct gear. (sorry to preach <g>😉

jj

Ken said:

And I got out there and I was having a good first lap when I got at puncture
flat! Well that is par for the course. I was pretty close to home so I just
walked the bike home, when I got the bike into the garage and rotated the
tire I found the offensive object still stuck in my tire. I grabbed it with
a pair of pliars and pulled it out. HOLY [censored]!! This thing was huge! By far
the largest thing I have removed so far! Take a look here:
http://kcm-home.tripod.com/id20.html It was almost two inches long!

I had a nail that long go through tire, tube and rim. It was a concrete
nail, went through everything.

"jj" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Ken said:

"Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Ken wrote:
:: And I got out there and I was having a good first lap when I got at
:: puncture flat! Well that is par for the course. I was pretty close
:: to home so I just walked the bike home, when I got the bike into the
:: garage and rotated the tire I found the offensive object still stuck
:: in my tire. I grabbed it with a pair of pliars and pulled it out.
:: HOLY [censored]!! This thing was huge! By far the largest thing I have
:: removed so far! Take a look here:
:: http://kcm-home.tripod.com/id20.html It was almost two inches long!
:: How I didn't see that to avoid it is beyond me. Any way after
:: removing the wheel, tire and tube I found the punture wounds yes it
:: went in one side and out the other! I checked my tire kit, I only
:: had 1 patch, so I tried cutting it in half, only one held. So I had
:: to go to the local x-mart and pick me up a tube and a patch kit. I
:: put the new tube in and will patch the other for a spare. Bike is
:: good to ride again. Need to do another lap tonight to make up for
:: the morning mishap!
::

Is money a problem? I'd personally can that old tube.

Amazing, the size of that object. My guess is you weren't looking at the
road when you went over it.

No money really isn't the problem. I am just a frugal living specialist
(A.K.A cheap [censored]). Yeah I guess I was looking at something else. Like
maybe the corner I had just turned.

Ken

I'm also quite frugal - I'll go to the library rather than the bookstore
at
times. eat hamburger for a month, cut my own hair, ride a bike to save
gas,
but that's so when I want something that's critical I can buy it without
qualms. There are not many things that I feel are critical and yeah, some
of these things might be considered 'toys', or luxuries by other people.

Do as you will, but consider being frugal isn't all about denial, perhaps.

PS, cool blog! As far as riding in the rain...I look for opportunities to
ride my rain bike. But as you say it has to be good conditions - some
rains
are good, some rains (say with lightning) are not so cool. Sometimes I'll
ride a very bad, cold, rainy day just to steel myself. That way if I have
to ride some cool event and it rains I'll say 'so what? I've ridden in
very
cold, very rainy conditions and I can cope just fine'. When I do that kind
of thing I make sure to ride an optimal course at an optimal time with
optimal gear. Sometimes it takes a couple of these rides to -find- the
correct gear. (sorry to preach <g>😉

jj

Well I am frugal about some stuff, like toys. But rely on my bike to get me
around town. So when it comes down to needing a new part to keep it rolling
nice I will buy what it needs without much hesitation. As far as riding in
the rain, I "need" fenders to cut down on how much water gets sprayed in my
face and on my back. I won't ride if the lightning is too close. If I see
the flash and can't even count to 5 before I hear the clap of the thunder
that is too close for me!

Ken

Ken <[email hidden]> wrote:
:> "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:> news:[email hidden]...
:> > Ken wrote:
:> > :: And I got out there and I was having a good first lap when I
:> > :: got at puncture flat! Well that is par for the course. I was
:> > :: pretty close to home so I just walked the bike home, when I got
:> > :: the bike into the garage and rotated the tire I found the
:> > :: offensive object still stuck in my tire. I grabbed it with a
:> > :: pair of pliars and pulled it out. HOLY [censored]!! This thing was
:> > :: huge! By far the largest thing I have removed so far! Take a
:> > :: look here: http://kcm-home.tripod.com/id20.html It was almost
:> > :: two inches long! How I didn't see that to avoid it is beyond
:> > :: me. Any way after removing the wheel, tire and tube I found the
:> > :: punture wounds yes it went in one side and out the other! I
:> > :: checked my tire kit, I only had 1 patch, so I tried cutting it
:> > :: in half, only one held. So I had to go to the local x-mart and
:> > :: pick me up a tube and a patch kit. I put the new tube in and
:> > :: will patch the other for a spare. Bike is good to ride again.
:> > :: Need to do another lap tonight to make up for the morning
:> > :: mishap!
:> > ::
:> >
:> > Is money a problem? I'd personally can that old tube.
:> >
:> > Amazing, the size of that object. My guess is you weren't looking
:> > at the road when you went over it.
:> >
:> >
:> No money really isn't the problem. I am just a frugal living
:> specialist (A.K.A cheap [censored]). Yeah I guess I was looking at
:> something else. Like maybe the corner I had just turned.
:>

Do you trust patched tubes? I'd try it when trying to get home, but I
wouldn't head out with one...

:> Ken

Roger Zoul said:

Do you trust patched tubes? I'd try it when trying to get home, but I
wouldn't head out with one...

Roger, there is no reason not to trust a properly patched tube.

Life is Good!
Jeff

Roger Zoul said:

Do you trust patched tubes? I'd try it when trying to get home, but I
wouldn't head out with one...

Hi Roger, I would have answered under your reply to me, but I
accidently deleted it.
Go to your LBS and get a patcch kit. Mine sells the Park Tool brand. I
believe there is good info in the FAQ section, on doing it. It really
is simple. Buy a quality kit. I don't trust the preglued patches, but
I don't base that on practical experience..

Find the leak. Sand the area, incl more area than size of patch.
Appply glue, do same, cover larger area. Wait for glue to dry. Apply
patch, putting pressure on the entire patch. Later you can lightly
inflate, to check work. That means, so that tube has shape, not a lot
of psi. All done! Use when needed.

I have patched and used at the side of the road. Just be thorough.

Life is Good!
Jeff

Ken wrote:
:: "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:: news:[email hidden]...
::: Ken wrote:
::::: "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
::::::
:::::: Do you trust patched tubes? I'd try it when trying to get home,
:::::: but I wouldn't head out with one...
::::::
:::::::: Ken
::::::
::::::
::::: Yeah I trust MY patched tubes, only because I know how to patch
::::: them good, and have tried to remove a couple of my patches and
::::: they do not come off easily. Mostly they come off in small pieces
::::: with a lot of pulling. A properly applied patch is as good as the
::::: rest of the tube it is applied to.(In My Humble Opinion)
:::
::: Okay! I've not patched any tubes since I was 12 or so.....
:::
:: Well I think that this is THE most basic thing that all people that
:: ride a bicycle should be able to do!

Hold on, now....I didn't say I couldn't do it...I even carry a patch kit
with me on my rides. It's a simply enough thing to do... I'd certainly try
to patch a tube if I needed to (I also carry two fresh tubes).

And if you comsider the cost of
:: a new tube $3.change per tube versus the cost a a generic x-mart
:: tube repair kit it really does make a lot more sense to patch the
:: puncture than to replace the tube with every puncture flat that you
:: will get! The last "kit" I bought at K-Sears cost $2.14 and I got 8
:: patches out of the patches that were included in the "kit". Do the
:: math. Unless of course you are the type of person that would just
:: rather spend the extra every time.

Rather spend? No, I'd not rather spend. However, considering that I can
end up over 20 miles from home on an unsupported ride (I'd done as much as
96 miles from my front door), I'd rather not depend on a patch, unless I
need to.

Honestly, the money you're talking doesn't add up to much....of course, I
haven't had a flat in over a year now....

::
:: Ken
::
:: The above is just my opinion

Maggie wrote:
:: Roger Zoul wrote:
:::
::: Okay! I've not patched any tubes since I was 12 or so.....
::
::
:: Hey I remember patching tubes. I did that when I was a kid.
:: FLASHBACKS....I did do something to a bike beside ride it. I used to
:: patch the tubes. I'm impressed with me.

Me too!

I patched when I didn't have money to buy new tubes!

"Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Ken wrote:
:: "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:: news:[email hidden]...
::: Ken wrote:
::::: "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
::::::
:::::: Do you trust patched tubes? I'd try it when trying to get home,
:::::: but I wouldn't head out with one...
::::::
:::::::: Ken
::::::
::::::
::::: Yeah I trust MY patched tubes, only because I know how to patch
::::: them good, and have tried to remove a couple of my patches and
::::: they do not come off easily. Mostly they come off in small pieces
::::: with a lot of pulling. A properly applied patch is as good as the
::::: rest of the tube it is applied to.(In My Humble Opinion)
:::
::: Okay! I've not patched any tubes since I was 12 or so.....
:::
:: Well I think that this is THE most basic thing that all people that
:: ride a bicycle should be able to do!

Hold on, now....I didn't say I couldn't do it...I even carry a patch kit
with me on my rides. It's a simply enough thing to do... I'd certainly
try to patch a tube if I needed to (I also carry two fresh tubes).

Oh okay, I thought maybe you were one of these types that doesn't even KNOW
HOW to patch a tube.

Quoted message said:

And if you comsider the cost of
:: a new tube $3.change per tube versus the cost a a generic x-mart
:: tube repair kit it really does make a lot more sense to patch the
:: puncture than to replace the tube with every puncture flat that you
:: will get! The last "kit" I bought at K-Sears cost $2.14 and I got 8
:: patches out of the patches that were included in the "kit". Do the
:: math. Unless of course you are the type of person that would just
:: rather spend the extra every time.

Rather spend? No, I'd not rather spend. However, considering that I can
end up over 20 miles from home on an unsupported ride (I'd done as much as
96 miles from my front door), I'd rather not depend on a patch, unless I
need to.

Well if I carried two new tubes, I would install a new one on the side of
the road, save the old and patch when I was at home and carry with me on the
next ride.

Quoted message said:

Honestly, the money you're talking doesn't add up to much....of course, I
haven't had a flat in over a year now....

WOW you must ride where no cars drive! A year without a flat?!? Where do you
live I want to move there! I haven't been more than a few weeks without a
puncture flat!

Quoted message said:

::
:: Ken
::
:: The above is just my opinion

"Ken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Take a look here:

Quoted message said:

http://kcm-home.tripod.com/id20.html It was almost two

inches long! How I

Quoted message said:

didn't see that to avoid it is beyond me.

It's a big nail all right. But you didn't see it on a white
background, but a similar colored background. And, I hope, you
are occasionally looking at more than the road in front of
you: traffic, the road farther ahead, attractive people of
whatever sex may be relevant, etc. So it's not all that
surprising that you missed it.

Quoted message said:

I checked my tire kit, I only had 1 patch, so I tried

cutting it in

Quoted message said:

half, only one held. So I had to go to the local x-mart and

pick me up a

Quoted message said:

tube and a patch kit. I put the new tube in and will patch

the other for a

Quoted message said:

spare.

Be sure you test that the re-patching is successful --
re-patching is trickier than patching the first time, because
it's harder to get the surface really smooth. Otherwise, you
may find your spare doesn't work on the road. Better to find
that out in your basement.

Jeff Starr said:

Hi Roger, I would have answered under your reply to me, but I
accidently deleted it.

Oh come now Jeff Darlin', it is your subconscious desire to be under
me. ;-)

Maggie

BODY WISHES
(Stewart, Cregan, Savigar, Le Mesurier)

No one should know
Won't solve the problem
Body wishes, body wishes
Body wishes, body wishes

Ken said:

Quoted message said:

Oh okay, I thought maybe you were one of these types that doesn't even KNOW
HOW to patch a tube.

So, who are "these types" you speak of?

Life is Good!
Jeff

Jeff Starr wrote:
:: On Wed, 8 Jun 2005 20:26:30 -0400, "Roger Zoul"
:: <[email hidden]> wrote:
::
::
::
:::
::: Do you trust patched tubes? I'd try it when trying to get home,
::: but I wouldn't head out with one...
:::
::
:: Hi Roger, I would have answered under your reply to me, but I
:: accidently deleted it.
:: Go to your LBS and get a patcch kit. Mine sells the Park Tool brand.
:: I believe there is good info in the FAQ section, on doing it. It
:: really is simple. Buy a quality kit. I don't trust the preglued
:: patches, but I don't base that on practical experience..

I'm sorry I didn't make it clear that I own a patch kit and carry it in my
"under the saddle" bag on all my rides. I'd certainly use a patch kit to
fix a flat if that necessary to get me or someone else home. But until now,
my mode of operation would have been to replace the patched tube at my next
opportunity rather than risking the patch pulling loose on a ride.

::
::
:: Find the leak. Sand the area, incl more area than size of patch.
:: Appply glue, do same, cover larger area. Wait for glue to dry. Apply
:: patch, putting pressure on the entire patch. Later you can lightly
:: inflate, to check work. That means, so that tube has shape, not a lot
:: of psi. All done! Use when needed.

Thanks. I have that process memorized in case I need it.

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Quoted message said:

Ken said:

Quoted message said:

Oh okay, I thought maybe you were one of these types that doesn't even
KNOW
HOW to patch a tube.

So, who are "these types" you speak of?

"these types" refers to those who don't know how to patch a tube.

Quoted message said:

Life is Good!
Jeff