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  1. A.Lee said:

    Sorry, but which of the above statements are not true? Clue: they are
    all true. Didnt a poll show that something like 60% of US citizens
    thought Saddam was responsible for 9/11? Your fellow Countrymen need to
    be told the truth.(no I'm not condoning 9/11,it was terrible), but GWB
    is a complete idiot who is turning the World against him and the
    US.After 9/11 the World was prepared to back the US, now who is standing
    by Bush? - only Blair, Bush's UK lapdog, who is also in the [censored] for his
    unjustified claims about Iraq, the difference in the UK is that the
    media discloses the true facts, not the censored versions published in
    the US. Alan. .

    Spoken like the Vichy government.

    --

  2. I've seen this type of behavior before (Walter Cronkite comes to mind)... an
    aging man, respected in his field, uses his name as a soapbox on which to
    subject those who are unfortunate enough to be listening to his highbrow,
    gray-haired wisdom. Its too bad, really.

    Well, at least any tinge of guilt I felt for photocopying "The Bicycle
    Wheel" from my local library is now gone... (and I may stop greasing my
    tapers).

    Kyle

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=1310344&l=42227

    Jobst Brandt
    [email hidden]

  3. A.Lee' alan@darkroom.+.com said:

    Didnt a poll show that something like 60% of US citizens thought Saddam
    was responsible for 9/11?

    Most Americans think we lost jobs over the last six months, rather
    than gaining more than a million.

    You seem to be confusing "journalism" and "reality" again - always a
    mistake.

    Mark Hickey
    Habanero Cycles
    http://www.habcycles.com
    Home of the $695 ti frame

  4. Quoted message said:

    Weisse Luft snipes anonymously:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=1310344&l=42227

    Quoted message said:

    Stick to bicycycles. Links of this sort are unprofessional yellow
    journalism at best.

    Quoted message said:

    If you must, please wait on the full report of the 9-11 Commission and
    NOT some reporter's view.

    It's nice to see who the bushmen are, my country right or wrong, I'm
    for it and fly the flag proudly... as we did in the Viet Nam debacle.

    Heh heh heh... whassa matter, Jobst? You claim to be a campaigner for
    the truth, but positively bristle when conftonted by it.

    Quoted message said:

    These are direct quotes from the president.

    Where? There are NO "direct quotes from the president" in that
    article.

    Mark Hickey
    Habanero Cycles
    http://www.habcycles.com
    Home of the $695 ti frame

  5. (JP) said:

    Weisse Luft <[email hidden]> wrote ...

    Quoted message said:

    Jobst Brandt wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    If you must, please wait on the full report of the 9-11 Commission and
    NOT some reporter's view.

    You mean the 9/11 Commission that was stacked by the GOP to whitewash
    the investigation with regard to Bush? Despite all their best efforts
    it don't look that good for your boy.

    LOL yet again. You apparently (like the New York Times and major
    networks) seem to be confused by the release of an interim report by a
    sub-sub set of the commission, which was BTW soundly discredited by
    both Republican and Democrats on the commission alike.

    Mark Hickey
    Habanero Cycles
    http://www.habcycles.com
    Home of the $695 ti frame

  6. On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 21:50:07 GMT, "Kyle.B.H" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    I've seen this type of behavior before (Walter Cronkite comes to mind)... an
    aging man, respected in his field, uses his name as a soapbox on which to
    subject those who are unfortunate enough to be listening to his highbrow,
    gray-haired wisdom. Its too bad, really.

    Well, at least any tinge of guilt I felt for photocopying "The Bicycle
    Wheel" from my local library is now gone... (and I may stop greasing my
    tapers).

    Kyle

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=1310344&l=42227

    Jobst Brandt
    [email hidden]


    Dear Kyle,

    I've seen this type of behavior before, too.

    You're not saying, of course, that you feel entitled to
    cheat someone who disagrees with you.

    You're just saying that it's a relief to learn that you
    disagree with someone you cheated.

    It's too bad, really.

    Carl Fogel

  7. A.Lee said:

    ...(no I'm not condoning 9/11,it was terrible)....

    The actions of September 11, 1973 were indeed terrible.

    --
    Tom Sherman – Quad City Area

  8. Hot Air said:

    ...
    Spoken like the Vichy government.

    I though the Vichy regime was what the Bushites are trying to install in
    Iraq.

    --
    Tom Sherman – Quad City Area

  9. curt said:


    Yee-haw IS now foreign policy!

    Indeed

    --
    Andy Morris

    AndyAtJinkasDotFreeserve.Co.UK

    Love this:
    Put an end to Outlook Express's messy quotes
    http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/

  10. Hot Air said:

    ...
    Stick to bicycycles....

    What are "bicycycles"?

    --
    Tom Sherman – Quad City Area

  11. Kyle.B.H said:

    I've seen this type of behavior before (Walter Cronkite comes to mind)... an
    aging man, respected in his field, uses his name as a soapbox on which to
    subject those who are unfortunate enough to be listening to his highbrow,
    gray-haired wisdom. Its too bad, really.

    Well, at least any tinge of guilt I felt for photocopying "The Bicycle
    Wheel" from my local library is now gone... (and I may stop greasing my
    tapers).

    I will have to purchase a copy of "The Bicycle Wheel" to compensate for
    this, despite the dismissive things Mr. Brandt said about my favorite
    bicycle.

    --
    Tom Sherman – Quad City Area

  12. Tom Sherman said:
    Hot Air said:

    ... Spoken like the Vichy government.


    I though the Vichy regime was what the Bushites are trying to
    install in Iraq.
    --
    Tom Sherman – Quad City Area

    The FIRST consumer electronic boom in post-Saddam Iraq was satellite
    television, something the Iraq public never had. They could afford but
    were not allowed.

    And nice ad hominum. And then burned the bridge. Any relation to General
    Sherman? William Sherman?

    --

  13. Quoted message said:

    On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 21:50:07 GMT, "Kyle.B.H" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    I've seen this type of behavior before (Walter Cronkite comes to
    mind)... an aging man, respected in his field, uses his name as a
    soapbox on which to subject those who are unfortunate enough to be
    listening to his highbrow, gray-haired wisdom. Its too bad, really.

    Well, at least any tinge of guilt I felt for photocopying "The
    Bicycle Wheel" from my local library is now gone... (and I may stop
    greasing my tapers).

    Kyle

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=1310344&l=42227

    Jobst Brandt [email hidden]


    Dear Kyle,

    I've seen this type of behavior before, too.

    You're not saying, of course, that you feel entitled to cheat
    someone who disagrees with you.

    You're just saying that it's a relief to learn that you disagree
    with someone you cheated.

    It's too bad, really.

    That is your best synopsis ever, Carl.

  14. Weisse Luft said:

    From the NYT, no less.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/25/politics/25TERR.html

    I read their rabid flaming left editorial page every morning
    but I'll be damned if I sign up for their spam.

    --
    Andrew Muzi
    www.yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

  15. JBrandt in theater, "fire!"

    Quoted message said:
    andres muro said:

    Oh wait.... now I am really confused. Someone told me that the people
    that are responsible for 9/11 are all Saudi Arabians. Aren't the
    Saudis our friends? So, was it the Iraqis or the Saudis that caused
    9/11?
    Can anyone clarify for me?

    A.Lee said:

    Yes, the US Government have pandered to many nations who they think will
    help the USA cause, without thinking it fully through, then they get
    kicked up the ass when they realise the mistake they've made.They are
    currently feteing the Saudis as all thats good about the Gulf, when in
    effect the Saudi rulers are pretty much despots


    -blah blah blah-

    Now that all our respective positions are hardened and the
    air is poisoned, can we return to bicycles?

    --
    Andrew Muzi
    www.yellowjersey.org
    Open every day since 1 April, 1971

  16. A Muzi said:
    Weisse Luft said:

    From the NYT, no less.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/25/politics/25TERR.html

    I read their rabid flaming left editorial page every morning but I'll be
    damned if I sign up for their spam.

    Man, you must be one helluva reactionary if you're calling the NYT left.

    Greg

    --
    Destroy your safe and happy lives
    Before it is too late
    The battles we fought were long and hard
    Just not to be consumed by rock'n'roll

  17. "Kyle.B.H" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:j61Dc.94357$2i5.90766@attbi_s52:

    Quoted message said:


    Well, at least any tinge of guilt I felt for photocopying "The Bicycle
    Wheel" from my local library is now gone... (and I may stop greasing
    my tapers).

    Kyle


    My tapirs are ALWAYS well greased before I hitch them to my coach and six.

    Mike

  18. Weisse Luft <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Go back to school, the adults are in charge.

    Yeah, Cheney showed us from the floor of the Senate what it means to
    have adults in charge.

    JP

  19. Tim McNamara said:


    Quoted message said:

    On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 21:50:07 GMT, "Kyle.B.H" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    I've seen this type of behavior before (Walter Cronkite comes to
    mind)... an aging man, respected in his field, uses his name as a
    soapbox on which to subject those who are unfortunate enough to be
    listening to his highbrow, gray-haired wisdom. Its too bad, really.

    Well, at least any tinge of guilt I felt for photocopying "The
    Bicycle Wheel" from my local library is now gone... (and I may stop
    greasing my tapers).

    Kyle

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    > http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=1310344&l=42227
    >
    > Jobst Brandt [email hidden]

    Dear Kyle,

    I've seen this type of behavior before, too.

    You're not saying, of course, that you feel entitled to cheat
    someone who disagrees with you.

    You're just saying that it's a relief to learn that you disagree
    with someone you cheated.

    It's too bad, really.

    That is your best synopsis ever, Carl.

    I disagree. Of all people, I would expect Carl to excel in reading
    comprehension.

    Mr. Fogel makes no mention of the meat of my post, but just snipes at my
    tongue-in-cheek attempt at humor. While photocopying a portion of a book
    would perhaps constitute a violation of copyright law, _cheating_ implies
    that I denied Mr. Brandt income, which is not the case.

    And that's not his most egregious error. The point of my post had nothing
    to do with whether or not I disagree with Jobst's post. In fact I never
    mentioned politics or referred to his linked story. My distaste for his
    post stems from disappoinment based upon (misguided) expectations. I have a
    great deal of respect for Jobst. As a fellow engineer, I admire his
    reliance on scientific analysis, attention to detail, and I envy the fact
    that he has been able to spend much of his career contributing to the sport
    he loves. As a budding cyclist/mechanic, I place him on the very pedestal he
    now uses as a soapbox. When last near Palo Alto, I stopped downtown for the
    sole purpose of checking out the big pictures that I had read were hanging
    in Palo Alto Cycles. So when Jobst uses his position within this group to
    incite another endless political thread, it takes him down a few notches in
    my view. He's entitled to do so, but I would expect one who adheres to -
    and demands from other posters of this group - the application of scientific
    rigor to the simplest of observations, to have a more legitimate source than
    misleader.org! If I were to post a link to a similarly hysterical
    right-wing site, most readers of this board wouldn't even let their mice
    hover over the link, much let it form the basis of serious discussion. So
    just because Jobst can accurately identify and describe fretting, I don't
    give him a pass on gratuitous pandering to an overwhelmingly like-minded
    audience.

  20. Someone using White Air as a psuedonym said:

    ...
    And nice ad hominum. And then burned the bridge. Any relation to General
    Sherman? William Sherman?

    If I am related to W. T. Sherman, it would in all likelihood be a very
    remote relationship. [1]

    [1] But then I am remotely related to almost everyone of Northern
    European decent.

    --
    Tom Sherman – Quad City Area

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