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  1. I've always been a fair cook, but a less than stellar baker. My pies
    always taste great, but often look as if they'd been assembled by a
    three year old. The DH had asked for a certain menu for his birthday
    dinner today, but kept changing the requested dessert. He finally
    settled on...chocolate eclairs. Now who, I ask you, actually makes
    these things? You go to the bakery and point at the sinful beggars and
    haul 'em home, right? Well, in a demented moment (I think a few
    glasses of chardonnay was involved), I boasted that I could make 'em.
    And make 'em, I did. And what astonished me was: they turned out
    *great*! Mind you, like my pies, their appearance was a bit addled (I
    didn't have the proper tip for the pastry bag, for a start), but
    everyone raved about them:

    @@@@@ Now You're Cooking! Export Format

    Chocolate Eclairs

    desserts

    filling:
    2 cups whole, 2 percent fat, or 1 percent; fat milk
    1/2 vanilla bean, split lengthwise
    6 egg yolks
    2/3 cup sugar
    1/4 cup cornstarch
    1 tablespoon cold unsalted butter

    pastry:

    1 cup water
    8 tablespoons (1 sti unsalted butter
    1/2 teaspoon salt
    1 1/2 teaspoons sugar
    1 cup all-purpose flour
    3 eggs, plus 1 extra, if needed

    egg wash:
    1 egg
    1 1/2 teaspoons water

    chocolate glaze:

    1/2 cup heavy cream
    4 ounces semisweet chocolate; coarsly chopped

    Filling: In a medium saucepan, heat the milk and vanilla bean to a
    boilover medium heat. Immediately turn off the heat and set aside to
    infuse for 15 minutes. In a bowl, whisk the egg yolks and sugar until
    light and fluffy. Add the cornstarch and whisk vigorously until no
    lumps remain. Whisk in 1/4 cup of the hot milk mixture until
    incorporated. Whisk in the remaining hot milk mixture, reserving the
    saucepan. Pour the mixture through a strainer back into the saucepan.
    Cook over medium-high heat, whisking constantly, until thickened and
    slowly boiling. Remove from the heat and stir in the butter. Let cool
    slightly. Cover with plastic wrap, lightly pressing the plastic
    against the surface to prevent a skin from forming. Chill at least 2
    hours or until ready to serve. The custard can be made up to 24 hours
    in advance. Refrigerate until 1 hour before using.

    Pastry: Preheat the oven to 425 degrees. Line a sheet pan with
    parchment paper. In a large saucepan, bring the water, butter, salt
    and sugar to a rolling boil over medium-high heat. When it boils,
    immediately take the pan off the heat. Stirring with a wooden spoon,
    add all the flour at once and stir hard until all the flour is
    incorporated, 30 to 60 seconds. Return to the heat and cook, stirring,
    30 seconds. Scrape the mixture into a mixer fitted with a paddle
    attachment (or use a hand mixer). Mix at medium speed.
    With the mixer running, add 3 eggs, 1 egg at a time. Stop mixing after
    each addition to scrape down the sides of the bowl. Mix until the
    dough is smooth and glossy and the eggs are completely incorporated.
    The dough should be thick, but should fall slowly and steadily from
    the beaters when you lift them out of the bowl. If the dough is still
    clinging to the beaters, add the remaining 1 egg and mix until
    incorporated.

    Using a pastry bag fitted with a large plain tip, pipe fat lengths of
    dough (about the size and shape of a jumbo hot dog) onto the lined
    baking sheet, leaving 2 inches of space between them. You should have
    8 to 10 lengths.

    Egg Wash: In a bowl, whisk the egg and water together. Brush the
    surface of each eclair with the egg wash. Use your fingers to smooth
    out any bumps of points of dough that remain on the surface. Bake 15
    minutes, then reduce the heat to 375 degrees and bake until puffed up
    and light golden brown, about 25 minutes more. Try not to open the
    oven door too often during the baking. Let cool on the baking sheet.
    Fit a medium-size plain pastry tip over your index finger and use it
    to make a hole in the end of each eclair (or just use your fingertip).
    Using a pastry bag fitted with a medium-size plain tip, gently pipe
    the custard into the eclairs, using only just enough to fill the
    inside (don't stuff them full).

    Glaze: In a small saucepan, heat the cream over medium heat just until
    it boils. Immediately turn off the heat. Put the chocolate in a medium
    bowl. Pour the hot cream over the chocolate and whisk until melted and
    smooth. Set aside and keep warm. The glaze can be made up to 48 hours
    in advance. Cover and refrigerate until ready to use, and rewarm in a
    microwave or over hot water when ready to use.
    Dip the tops of the eclairs in the warm chocolate glaze and set on a
    sheet pan. Chill, uncovered, at least 1 hour to set the glaze. Serve
    chilled.

    Contributor: Gale Gand

    Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd

    --
    "If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
    old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
    waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."

    -- Duncan Hines

    To reply, replace "spaminator" with "cox"

  2. Terry Pulliam Burd said:

    I've always been a fair cook, but a less than stellar baker. My pies
    always taste great, but often look as if they'd been assembled by a
    three year old. The DH had asked for a certain menu for his birthday
    dinner today, but kept changing the requested dessert. He finally
    settled on...chocolate eclairs. Now who, I ask you, actually makes
    these things? You go to the bakery and point at the sinful beggars and
    haul 'em home, right? Well, in a demented moment (I think a few
    glasses of chardonnay was involved), I boasted that I could make 'em.
    And make 'em, I did. And what astonished me was: they turned out
    *great*! Mind you, like my pies, their appearance was a bit addled (I
    didn't have the proper tip for the pastry bag, for a start), but
    everyone raved about them:


    Great looking recipe snipped and saved.

    Wow Squeaks, good on you.

    You are not a "fair" cook, anyone that's been lucky enough to attend a
    cookin' with you knows better.

    DH is one lucky guy.

    Koko
    ---
    New blog in progress
    http://kokoscorner.blogspot.com
    updated 3/24 added mole page

    "There is no love more sincere than the love of food"
    George Bernard Shaw

  3. "Terry Pulliam Burd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I've always been a fair cook, but a less than stellar baker. My pies
    always taste great, but often look as if they'd been assembled by a
    three year old. The DH had asked for a certain menu for his birthday
    dinner today, but kept changing the requested dessert. He finally
    settled on...chocolate eclairs. Now who, I ask you, actually makes
    these things? You go to the bakery and point at the sinful beggars and
    haul 'em home, right? Well, in a demented moment (I think a few
    glasses of chardonnay was involved), I boasted that I could make 'em.
    And make 'em, I did. And what astonished me was: they turned out
    *great*! Mind you, like my pies, their appearance was a bit addled (I
    didn't have the proper tip for the pastry bag, for a start), but
    everyone raved about them:

    Congrats, the Pate choux is great stuff to start playing with.

    It can make a especially good savory presentation by making large puffs, cutting
    off the tops and filling them.

    Good job,

    Dimitri

  4. On Apr 1, 8:14 pm, Terry Pulliam Burd <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    I've always been a fair cook, but a less than stellar baker. My pies
    always taste great, but often look as if they'd been assembled by a
    three year old. The DH had asked for a certain menu for his birthday
    dinner today, but kept changing the requested dessert. He finally
    settled on...chocolate eclairs. Now who, I ask you, actually makes
    these things? You go to the bakery and point at the sinful beggars and
    haul 'em home, right? Well, in a demented moment (I think a few
    glasses of chardonnay was involved), I boasted that I could make 'em.
    And make 'em, I did. And what astonished me was: they turned out
    *great*! Mind you, like my pies, their appearance was a bit addled (I
    didn't have the proper tip for the pastry bag, for a start), but
    everyone raved about them:

    @@@@@ Now You're Cooking! Export Format

    Chocolate Eclairs

    desserts

    filling:
    2 cups whole, 2 percent fat, or 1 percent; fat milk
    1/2 vanilla bean, split lengthwise
    6 egg yolks
    2/3 cup sugar
    1/4 cup cornstarch
    1 tablespoon cold unsalted butter

    pastry:

    1 cup water
    8 tablespoons (1 sti unsalted butter
    1/2 teaspoon salt
    1 1/2 teaspoons sugar
    1 cup all-purpose flour
    3 eggs, plus 1 extra, if needed

    egg wash:
    1 egg
    1 1/2 teaspoons water

    chocolate glaze:

    1/2 cup heavy cream
    4 ounces semisweet chocolate; coarsly chopped

    Filling: In a medium saucepan, heat the milk and vanilla bean to a
    boilover medium heat. Immediately turn off the heat and set aside to
    infuse for 15 minutes. In a bowl, whisk the egg yolks and sugar until
    light and fluffy. Add the cornstarch and whisk vigorously until no
    lumps remain. Whisk in 1/4 cup of the hot milk mixture until
    incorporated. Whisk in the remaining hot milk mixture, reserving the
    saucepan. Pour the mixture through a strainer back into the saucepan.
    Cook over medium-high heat, whisking constantly, until thickened and
    slowly boiling. Remove from the heat and stir in the butter. Let cool
    slightly. Cover with plastic wrap, lightly pressing the plastic
    against the surface to prevent a skin from forming. Chill at least 2
    hours or until ready to serve. The custard can be made up to 24 hours
    in advance. Refrigerate until 1 hour before using.

    Pastry: Preheat the oven to 425 degrees. Line a sheet pan with
    parchment paper. In a large saucepan, bring the water, butter, salt
    and sugar to a rolling boil over medium-high heat. When it boils,
    immediately take the pan off the heat. Stirring with a wooden spoon,
    add all the flour at once and stir hard until all the flour is
    incorporated, 30 to 60 seconds. Return to the heat and cook, stirring,
    30 seconds. Scrape the mixture into a mixer fitted with a paddle
    attachment (or use a hand mixer). Mix at medium speed.
    With the mixer running, add 3 eggs, 1 egg at a time. Stop mixing after
    each addition to scrape down the sides of the bowl. Mix until the
    dough is smooth and glossy and the eggs are completely incorporated.
    The dough should be thick, but should fall slowly and steadily from
    the beaters when you lift them out of the bowl. If the dough is still
    clinging to the beaters, add the remaining 1 egg and mix until
    incorporated.

    Using a pastry bag fitted with a large plain tip, pipe fat lengths of
    dough (about the size and shape of a jumbo hot dog) onto the lined
    baking sheet, leaving 2 inches of space between them. You should have
    8 to 10 lengths.

    Egg Wash: In a bowl, whisk the egg and water together. Brush the
    surface of each eclair with the egg wash. Use your fingers to smooth
    out any bumps of points of dough that remain on the surface. Bake 15
    minutes, then reduce the heat to 375 degrees and bake until puffed up
    and light golden brown, about 25 minutes more. Try not to open the
    oven door too often during the baking. Let cool on the baking sheet.
    Fit a medium-size plain pastry tip over your index finger and use it
    to make a hole in the end of each eclair (or just use your fingertip).
    Using a pastry bag fitted with a medium-size plain tip, gently pipe
    the custard into the eclairs, using only just enough to fill the
    inside (don't stuff them full).

    Glaze: In a small saucepan, heat the cream over medium heat just until
    it boils. Immediately turn off the heat. Put the chocolate in a medium
    bowl. Pour the hot cream over the chocolate and whisk until melted and
    smooth. Set aside and keep warm. The glaze can be made up to 48 hours
    in advance. Cover and refrigerate until ready to use, and rewarm in a
    microwave or over hot water when ready to use.
    Dip the tops of the eclairs in the warm chocolate glaze and set on a
    sheet pan. Chill, uncovered, at least 1 hour to set the glaze. Serve
    chilled.

    Contributor: Gale Gand

    Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd

    --
    "If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
    old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
    waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."

    -- Duncan Hines

    To reply, replace "spaminator" with "cox"

    Told you it was easy! Cream puffs are even easier- just dust with
    powdered sugar- don't even mess with the egg wash. If you leave the
    sugar out of the pate a choux dough, they are very nice made smaller &
    filled with a savory filling like chicken or lobster salad.

  5. Dimitri said:

    Congrats, the Pate choux is great stuff to start playing with.

    It can make a especially good savory presentation by making large puffs, cutting
    off the tops and filling them.

    Good job,

    Dimitri


    The pastry is easier than it looks!

    --
    Jean B.

  6. On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 20:52:57 -0700, Koko rummaged among random neurons
    and opined:

    Quoted message said:

    You are not a "fair" cook, anyone that's been lucky enough to attend a
    cookin' with you knows better.

    DH is one lucky guy.

    <blush!> Ah, shucks, Koko - and I am still serving your bacon and date
    appetizer. You won't believe the number of people who ask me what's in
    it, balk at trying it, then get talked into trying it...and rave about
    it! Muchos gracias, lady!

    No Sandy Eggo cookin this year, dammit, unless someone other than
    Charlie wants to organize it. He's a bit under the weather, poor aulde
    thing.

    Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd

    --
    "If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
    old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
    waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."

    -- Duncan Hines

    To reply, replace "spaminator" with "cox"

  7. On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 05:06:08 GMT, "Dimitri" <[email hidden]>
    rummaged among random neurons and opined:

    Quoted message said:

    Congrats, the Pate choux is great stuff to start playing with.

    It can make a especially good savory presentation by making large puffs, cutting
    off the tops and filling them.

    Good job,

    Thanks, sweetie - just one question: since I am a self-professed lousy
    baker...okay, I can bake, but my creations often look, uh, a mite
    Salvador Dahli-ish...is there a pastry bag/tip out there that can
    actually crank out eclair size dough? I had to kinda squiggle by
    biggest tip, then smooth the resulting squiggles around. Made for
    flatter than desired eclairs.

    Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd

    --
    "If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
    old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
    waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."

    -- Duncan Hines

    To reply, replace "spaminator" with "cox"

  8. On Apr 2, 8:36 pm, Terry Pulliam Burd <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 05:06:08 GMT, "Dimitri" <[email hidden]>
    rummaged among random neurons and opined:

    Quoted message said:

    Congrats, the Pate choux is great stuff to start playing with.

    Quoted message said:

    It can make a especially good savory presentation by making large puffs, cutting
    off the tops and filling them.

    Quoted message said:

    Good job,

    Thanks, sweetie - just one question: since I am a self-professed lousy
    baker...okay, I can bake, but my creations often look, uh, a mite
    Salvador Dahli-ish...is there a pastry bag/tip out there that can
    actually crank out eclair size dough? I had to kinda squiggle by
    biggest tip, then smooth the resulting squiggles around. Made for
    flatter than desired eclairs.

    Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd

    --
    "If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
    old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
    waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."

    -- Duncan Hines

    To reply, replace "spaminator" with "cox"

    There are tips that will work- I think the one I use is about 3/4-1
    inch across- plain old round one.

  9. "Terry Pulliam Burd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I've always been a fair cook, but a less than stellar baker. My pies
    always taste great, but often look as if they'd been assembled by a
    three year old. The DH had asked for a certain menu for his birthday
    dinner today, but kept changing the requested dessert. He finally
    settled on...chocolate eclairs. Now who, I ask you, actually makes
    these things? You go to the bakery and point at the sinful beggars and
    haul 'em home, right? Well, in a demented moment (I think a few
    glasses of chardonnay was involved), I boasted that I could make 'em.
    And make 'em, I did. And what astonished me was: they turned out
    *great*! Mind you, like my pies, their appearance was a bit addled (I
    didn't have the proper tip for the pastry bag, for a start), but
    everyone raved about them:

    @@@@@ Now You're Cooking! Export Format

    Chocolate Eclairs

    desserts

    filling:
    2 cups whole, 2 percent fat, or 1 percent; fat milk
    1/2 vanilla bean, split lengthwise
    6 egg yolks
    2/3 cup sugar
    1/4 cup cornstarch
    1 tablespoon cold unsalted butter

    pastry:

    1 cup water
    8 tablespoons (1 sti unsalted butter
    1/2 teaspoon salt
    1 1/2 teaspoons sugar
    1 cup all-purpose flour
    3 eggs, plus 1 extra, if needed

    egg wash:
    1 egg
    1 1/2 teaspoons water

    chocolate glaze:

    1/2 cup heavy cream
    4 ounces semisweet chocolate; coarsly chopped

    Filling: In a medium saucepan, heat the milk and vanilla bean to a
    boilover medium heat. Immediately turn off the heat and set aside to
    infuse for 15 minutes. In a bowl, whisk the egg yolks and sugar until
    light and fluffy. Add the cornstarch and whisk vigorously until no
    lumps remain. Whisk in 1/4 cup of the hot milk mixture until
    incorporated. Whisk in the remaining hot milk mixture, reserving the
    saucepan. Pour the mixture through a strainer back into the saucepan.
    Cook over medium-high heat, whisking constantly, until thickened and
    slowly boiling. Remove from the heat and stir in the butter. Let cool
    slightly. Cover with plastic wrap, lightly pressing the plastic
    against the surface to prevent a skin from forming. Chill at least 2
    hours or until ready to serve. The custard can be made up to 24 hours
    in advance. Refrigerate until 1 hour before using.

    Pastry: Preheat the oven to 425 degrees. Line a sheet pan with
    parchment paper. In a large saucepan, bring the water, butter, salt
    and sugar to a rolling boil over medium-high heat. When it boils,
    immediately take the pan off the heat. Stirring with a wooden spoon,
    add all the flour at once and stir hard until all the flour is
    incorporated, 30 to 60 seconds. Return to the heat and cook, stirring,
    30 seconds. Scrape the mixture into a mixer fitted with a paddle
    attachment (or use a hand mixer). Mix at medium speed.
    With the mixer running, add 3 eggs, 1 egg at a time. Stop mixing after
    each addition to scrape down the sides of the bowl. Mix until the
    dough is smooth and glossy and the eggs are completely incorporated.
    The dough should be thick, but should fall slowly and steadily from
    the beaters when you lift them out of the bowl. If the dough is still
    clinging to the beaters, add the remaining 1 egg and mix until
    incorporated.

    Using a pastry bag fitted with a large plain tip, pipe fat lengths of
    dough (about the size and shape of a jumbo hot dog) onto the lined
    baking sheet, leaving 2 inches of space between them. You should have
    8 to 10 lengths.

    Egg Wash: In a bowl, whisk the egg and water together. Brush the
    surface of each eclair with the egg wash. Use your fingers to smooth
    out any bumps of points of dough that remain on the surface. Bake 15
    minutes, then reduce the heat to 375 degrees and bake until puffed up
    and light golden brown, about 25 minutes more. Try not to open the
    oven door too often during the baking. Let cool on the baking sheet.
    Fit a medium-size plain pastry tip over your index finger and use it
    to make a hole in the end of each eclair (or just use your fingertip).
    Using a pastry bag fitted with a medium-size plain tip, gently pipe
    the custard into the eclairs, using only just enough to fill the
    inside (don't stuff them full).

    Glaze: In a small saucepan, heat the cream over medium heat just until
    it boils. Immediately turn off the heat. Put the chocolate in a medium
    bowl. Pour the hot cream over the chocolate and whisk until melted and
    smooth. Set aside and keep warm. The glaze can be made up to 48 hours
    in advance. Cover and refrigerate until ready to use, and rewarm in a
    microwave or over hot water when ready to use.
    Dip the tops of the eclairs in the warm chocolate glaze and set on a
    sheet pan. Chill, uncovered, at least 1 hour to set the glaze. Serve
    chilled.

    Contributor: Gale Gand

    Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd

    --
    "If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
    old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
    waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."

    -- Duncan Hines

    To reply, replace "spaminator" with "cox"


    ===============
    That was so funny; thanks for the recipe.

    Quoted message said:
  10. "Terry Pulliam Burd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Good job,

    Thanks, sweetie - just one question: since I am a self-professed lousy
    baker...okay, I can bake, but my creations often look, uh, a mite
    Salvador Dahli-ish...is there a pastry bag/tip out there that can
    actually crank out eclair size dough? I had to kinda squiggle by
    biggest tip, then smooth the resulting squiggles around. Made for
    flatter than desired eclairs.

    Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd

    Hell as often as you are going to make them there are 2 options outside of
    buying a pastry bag.

    1. A zip lock with the corner cut off will work just dandy.
    2. Buy a tip assortment, spray the inside of the tip you're going to use with
    a little Pam and then use a zip lock to hold the tip. It's a lot easier than
    cleaning the damn bags and they work as well as the plastic pastry bags.

    Dimitri.

  11. On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 14:57:10 -0700, "Dimitri" <[email hidden]>
    rummaged among random neurons and opined:

    Quoted message said:

    Hell as often as you are going to make them there are 2 options outside of
    buying a pastry bag.

    1. A zip lock with the corner cut off will work just dandy.
    2. Buy a tip assortment, spray the inside of the tip you're going to use with
    a little Pam and then use a zip lock to hold the tip. It's a lot easier than
    cleaning the damn bags and they work as well as the plastic pastry bags.

    Aaauugghhh!!! Dammit! <head slapping> Whyinhell didn't I think of
    this? Of *course*! It's *perfect*! This is what comes of reading
    recipes, slavishly following the directions, but not thinking them
    through.

    Note to self: work smart, not hard.

    Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd

    --
    "If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
    old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
    waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."

    -- Duncan Hines

    To reply, replace "spaminator" with "cox"

  12. Terry Pulliam Burd said:


    I've always been a fair cook, but a less than stellar baker. My pies
    always taste great, but often look as if they'd been assembled by a
    three year old. The DH had asked for a certain menu for his birthday
    dinner today, but kept changing the requested dessert. He finally
    settled on...chocolate eclairs. Now who, I ask you, actually makes
    these things? You go to the bakery and point at the sinful beggars and
    haul 'em home, right? Well, in a demented moment (I think a few
    glasses of chardonnay was involved), I boasted that I could make 'em.
    And make 'em, I did. And what astonished me was: they turned out
    *great*! Mind you, like my pies, their appearance was a bit addled (I
    didn't have the proper tip for the pastry bag, for a start), but
    everyone raved about them:

    They are surprisingly easy to make, but something most people are afraid to
    try.
    My mother used to make them often. I had a cousin who worked in a dairy
    and he
    used to come by with quarts if whipping cream, and eclairs were a good way
    to use
    it up.

  13. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Terry Pulliam Burd said:

    On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 05:06:08 GMT, "Dimitri" <[email hidden]>
    rummaged among random neurons and opined:

    Quoted message said:

    Congrats, the Pate choux is great stuff to start playing with.

    It can make a especially good savory presentation by making large puffs,
    cutting
    off the tops and filling them.

    Good job,

    Thanks, sweetie - just one question: since I am a self-professed lousy
    baker...okay, I can bake, but my creations often look, uh, a mite
    Salvador Dahli-ish...is there a pastry bag/tip out there that can
    actually crank out eclair size dough? I had to kinda squiggle by
    biggest tip, then smooth the resulting squiggles around. Made for
    flatter than desired eclairs.

    Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd

    Ateco brand plain tube #809 is 11/16" diameter. Don't know if I've ever
    seen larger, and I don't know if you can buy only that tip or if you're
    bound to buy it as part of a set. I have it as part of a set.

    If you pipe the batter slowly and at about a 30? angle, you can "build"
    the strip fatter than if you pipe it quickly. Capisce? If the top is
    *too* bumply looking, smooth it with a wet finger or spatula if you
    must.

    *Be sure you use a strong pastry bag*, I recommend plastic-lined cloth,
    about 14". Ateco is a brand I'm familiar with. Don't use a bag that is
    too small; you want the batter in the bag to take up not more than 2/3
    of it (you'll need the excess at the top of the bag).

    Filling the bag will be less painful if you throw the tube into it
    (seriously, it'll help position the tube snugly from the get-go) and
    then set the bag into something tallish (a wide-mouth quart canning jar
    comes to mind) and turn the top down around the jar some. Then scrape
    the batter into the bag. Setting it in the jar will lessen the amount
    that ends up at and around the top of the pastry bag. Your batter
    will settle into the bag pretty well if you do it this way.

    Now you've got the batter in the bag. Lift that collar you made on the
    jar - you should have several inches of open space in that bag. Twist
    it closed and commence to piping, twisting it more as you empty the bag.
    You'll use your right hand (assuming you are right-handed) to squeeze
    the batter while your left hand steadies the position of the tip.
    You'll find out just how strong your grip really is. :-)

    Any of that make sense?
    -B
    --
    -Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
    http://jamlady.eboard.com - Comfort Food for Bob Pastorio, updated
    3-16-2007
    http://web.mac.com/barbschaller - blahblahblog - Orange Honey
    Garlic Chicken, 3-29-2007
    http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/amytaylor

  14. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Dimitri said:

    "Terry Pulliam Burd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Good job,

    Thanks, sweetie - just one question: since I am a self-professed lousy
    baker...okay, I can bake, but my creations often look, uh, a mite
    Salvador Dahli-ish...is there a pastry bag/tip out there that can
    actually crank out eclair size dough? I had to kinda squiggle by
    biggest tip, then smooth the resulting squiggles around. Made for
    flatter than desired eclairs.

    Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd

    Hell as often as you are going to make them there are 2 options outside of
    buying a pastry bag.

    1. A zip lock with the corner cut off will work just dandy.
    2. Buy a tip assortment, spray the inside of the tip you're going to use
    with
    a little Pam and then use a zip lock to hold the tip. It's a lot easier than
    cleaning the damn bags and they work as well as the plastic pastry bags.

    Dimitri.

    Have you ever piped this batter through a ziploc bag, Dimitri? I think
    it will be too heavy and there will be too much pressure needed ­ the
    bag may well burst. If THAT happens, cleaning a pastry bag will seem
    like a breeze.

    At that, it's not THAT hard to clean those bags fercripesake! Empty it,
    rinse it to get most of the remains out, turn it inside out and wash it
    thoroughly in hot soapy water. Dry. BFD. "-)
    The tube can be rinsed and washed similarly (though you probably won't
    want to try to turn the tip inside out.)
    --
    -Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
    http://jamlady.eboard.com - Comfort Food for Bob Pastorio, updated
    3-16-2007
    http://web.mac.com/barbschaller - blahblahblog - Orange Honey
    Garlic Chicken, 3-29-2007
    http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/amytaylor

  15. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Terry Pulliam Burd said:

    On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 14:57:10 -0700, "Dimitri" <[email hidden]>
    rummaged among random neurons and opined:

    Quoted message said:

    Hell as often as you are going to make them there are 2 options outside of
    buying a pastry bag.

    1. A zip lock with the corner cut off will work just dandy.
    2. Buy a tip assortment, spray the inside of the tip you're going
    to use with a little Pam and then use a zip lock to hold the tip.
    It's a lot easier than cleaning the damn bags and they work as well
    as the plastic pastry bags.

    Aaauugghhh!!! Dammit! <head slapping> Whyinhell didn't I think of
    this? Of *course*! It's *perfect*! This is what comes of reading
    recipes, slavishly following the directions, but not thinking them
    through.

    Note to self: work smart, not hard.

    Quoted message said:


    Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd

    All right, Girlie, you're tempting me here. I don't think the ziploc
    program will be as easy as it sounds. Make sure you use a
    freezer-weight baggie. And I have the pastry bag and tips - I may do a
    side by side just for the helluva it. It will be one more way I can
    postpone egg decorating. . . .
    --
    -Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
    http://jamlady.eboard.com - Comfort Food for Bob Pastorio, updated
    3-16-2007
    http://web.mac.com/barbschaller - blahblahblog - Orange Honey
    Garlic Chicken, 3-29-2007
    http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/amytaylor

  16. Melba's Jammin said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Terry Pulliam Burd said:

    On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 05:06:08 GMT, "Dimitri" <[email hidden]>
    rummaged among random neurons and opined:

    Quoted message said:

    Congrats, the Pate choux is great stuff to start playing with.

    It can make a especially good savory presentation by making large puffs,
    cutting
    off the tops and filling them.

    Good job,


    Thanks, sweetie - just one question: since I am a self-professed lousy
    baker...okay, I can bake, but my creations often look, uh, a mite
    Salvador Dahli-ish...is there a pastry bag/tip out there that can
    actually crank out eclair size dough? I had to kinda squiggle by
    biggest tip, then smooth the resulting squiggles around. Made for
    flatter than desired eclairs.

    Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd

    Ateco brand plain tube #809 is 11/16" diameter. Don't know if I've ever
    seen larger, and I don't know if you can buy only that tip or if you're
    bound to buy it as part of a set. I have it as part of a set.

    If you pipe the batter slowly and at about a 30? angle, you can "build"
    the strip fatter than if you pipe it quickly. Capisce? If the top is
    *too* bumply looking, smooth it with a wet finger or spatula if you
    must.

    *Be sure you use a strong pastry bag*, I recommend plastic-lined cloth,
    about 14". Ateco is a brand I'm familiar with. Don't use a bag that is
    too small; you want the batter in the bag to take up not more than 2/3
    of it (you'll need the excess at the top of the bag).

    Filling the bag will be less painful if you throw the tube into it
    (seriously, it'll help position the tube snugly from the get-go) and
    then set the bag into something tallish (a wide-mouth quart canning jar
    comes to mind) and turn the top down around the jar some. Then scrape
    the batter into the bag. Setting it in the jar will lessen the amount
    that ends up at and around the top of the pastry bag. Your batter
    will settle into the bag pretty well if you do it this way.

    Now you've got the batter in the bag. Lift that collar you made on the
    jar - you should have several inches of open space in that bag. Twist
    it closed and commence to piping, twisting it more as you empty the bag.
    You'll use your right hand (assuming you are right-handed) to squeeze
    the batter while your left hand steadies the position of the tip.
    You'll find out just how strong your grip really is. :-)

    Any of that make sense?
    -B

    I just use a gallon size ziploc bag. You can cut the hole the size you
    need it that way. I hate washing pastry bag tips...lol

    --
    God got a virgin pregnant by magic; God doesn't play by the rules.

    -Izzy, Grey's Anatomy

  17. Melba's Jammin said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Terry Pulliam Burd said:

    On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 14:57:10 -0700, "Dimitri" <[email hidden]>
    rummaged among random neurons and opined:

    Quoted message said:

    Hell as often as you are going to make them there are 2 options outside of
    buying a pastry bag.

    1. A zip lock with the corner cut off will work just dandy.
    2. Buy a tip assortment, spray the inside of the tip you're going
    to use with a little Pam and then use a zip lock to hold the tip.
    It's a lot easier than cleaning the damn bags and they work as well
    as the plastic pastry bags.


    Aaauugghhh!!! Dammit! <head slapping> Whyinhell didn't I think of
    this? Of *course*! It's *perfect*! This is what comes of reading
    recipes, slavishly following the directions, but not thinking them
    through.

    Note to self: work smart, not hard.

    Quoted message said:

    Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd

    All right, Girlie, you're tempting me here. I don't think the ziploc
    program will be as easy as it sounds. Make sure you use a
    freezer-weight baggie. And I have the pastry bag and tips - I may do a
    side by side just for the helluva it. It will be one more way I can
    postpone egg decorating. . . .

    Oh, it is! LOL! it's totally easy!

    --
    God got a virgin pregnant by magic; God doesn't play by the rules.

    -Izzy, Grey's Anatomy

  18. I've made Eclairs for years,,,This recipe is far too complicated,,,Egg
    wash ..NO Mixer....No! etc etc etc !!!!!!!

    Dance as though No one is Watching !
    Live The Moment !

  19. Melba's Jammin said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Dimitri said:

    "Terry Pulliam Burd" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >Good job,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Thanks, sweetie - just one question: since I am a self-professed lousy
    baker...okay, I can bake, but my creations often look, uh, a mite
    Salvador Dahli-ish...is there a pastry bag/tip out there that can
    actually crank out eclair size dough? I had to kinda squiggle by
    biggest tip, then smooth the resulting squiggles around. Made for
    flatter than desired eclairs.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd

    Quoted message said:

    Hell as often as you are going to make them there are 2 options outsideof
    buying a pastry bag.

    Quoted message said:

    1. A zip lock with the corner cut off will work just dandy.
    2. Buy a tip assortment, spray the inside of the tip you're going touse
    with
    a little Pam and then use a zip lock to hold the tip. It's a lot easier than
    cleaning the damn bags and they work as well as the plastic pastry bags.

    Quoted message said:

    Dimitri.

    Have you ever piped this batter through a ziploc bag, Dimitri? I think
    it will be too heavy and there will be too much pressure needed ­ the
    bag may well burst. If THAT happens, cleaning a pastry bag will seem
    like a breeze.

    At that, it's not THAT hard to clean those bags fercripesake! Empty it,
    rinse it to get most of the remains out, turn it inside out and wash it
    thoroughly in hot soapy water. Dry. BFD. "-)
    The tube can be rinsed and washed similarly (though you probably won't
    want to try to turn the tip inside out.)
    --
    -Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJhttp://jamlady.eboard.com- Comfort Food for Bob Pastorio, updated
    3-16-2007http://web.mac.com/barbschaller- blahblahblog - Orange Honey
    Garlic Chicken, 3-29-2007http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/amytaylor- Hide quoted text -

    - Show quoted text -


    I totally agree with you on using plastic bags. Pate a choux dough is
    pretty heavy for that. A pastry bag & tip is the best way.

  20. On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 07:54:18 -0500, Melba's Jammin'
    <[email hidden]> rummaged among random neurons and opined:

    <snip of some good suggestions>

    Quoted message said:

    Any of that make sense?

    Of course. Thanks, Barb.

    Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd

    --
    "If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
    old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
    waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."

    -- Duncan Hines

    To reply, replace "spaminator" with "cox"

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