I thought they were joking

You guys down there better vote that idiot Bush out of office come november.
This is exactly the kind of [censored] that moron would support. Unbelievable.

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"TritonRider" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Remember this? These guys were joking.
http://poseur.4x4.org/futuresuv.html

These idiots aren't and will probably sell a bunch of these.
http://www.roadking.com/inside/story813.php
http://money.cnn.com/2004/09/13/pf/autos/monster_truck/index.htm
Incredibly sad.
Bill C

TritonRider said:

Remember this? These guys were joking.
http://poseur.4x4.org/futuresuv.html

These idiots aren't and will probably sell a bunch of these.
http://www.roadking.com/inside/story813.php
http://money.cnn.com/2004/09/13/pf/autos/monster_truck/index.htm
Incredibly sad.
Bill C

Just remember, the jerks who buy and drive these things are in
competition with you for each gallon of fuel at the pump, they're as
responsible as Hugo Chavez, the Iraq fiasco, the Saudi royal family and
bin Laden for today's fuel prices -- the more demand, the higher the
price will go and these junk piles demand a lot.

Andre said:

You guys down there better vote that idiot Bush out of office come november.
This is exactly the kind of [censored] that moron would support. Unbelievable.

The sad part is when I look at the opinion polls and see half the
registered voters of this country seem to think that guys done a fine
job and should stay in office. I'm pretty sure the fall of Rome began
like this.

TritonRider said:

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From: Richard Adams [email hidden]

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The sad part is when I look at the opinion polls and see half the
registered voters of this country seem to think that guys done a fine
job and should stay in office. I'm pretty sure the fall of Rome began
like this.

Haven't you noticed that we're holding a contest to elect the biggest [censored]?
They are both anti-freedom, pro grabbing the bucks wherever you can,
scumsuckers. They just support raping different groups, and stripping different
rights.
They both suck.
Bill C

I'd never thought of it in precisely those terms before. Can't disagree.

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The sad part is when I look at the opinion polls and see half the
registered voters of this country seem to think that guys done a fine
job and should stay in office. I'm pretty sure the fall of Rome began
like this.

WTF are you talking about? It's mission accomplished in Iraq, Saddam
Hussein who bombed the WTC is in custody, the economy has turned the
corner, and we're on our way on the big anti-steroid and broadband for
everyone initiatives Bush announced in his state of the union
addresses. Those last two might take a little time though.

JT

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You guys down there better vote that idiot Bush out of office come
november.
This is exactly the kind of [censored] that moron would support. Unbelievable.

<snip>

It's called Capitalism... I don't agree with these vehicles either but I
would rather deal with them than more government regulations on what I can
and can not buy!

-p

Pippen said:

It's called Capitalism... I don't agree with these vehicles either but I
would rather deal with them than more government regulations on what I can
and can not buy!

It's not just capitalism. There are governmental supports for driving
big cars -- from funding for roads, to military support in the middle
east to keep oil flowing, to tax breaks for businesses that buy big
trucks. This stuff is all paid for with taxes. And as such, criticism
of support for these big vehicles is legitimate.

JT

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Richard Adams said:

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The sad part is when I look at the opinion polls and see half the
registered voters of this country seem to think that guys done a fine
job and should stay in office. I'm pretty sure the fall of Rome began
like this.

John Forrest Tomlinson said:

WTF are you talking about? It's mission accomplished in Iraq, Saddam
Hussein who bombed the WTC is in custody, the economy has turned the
corner, and we're on our way on the big anti-steroid and broadband for
everyone initiatives Bush announced in his state of the union
addresses. Those last two might take a little time though.

With the highly esteemed governor of California leading the anti-steroid
initiative ? Perhaps he could even head a corporate takeover of WADA.

On 13 Sep 2004 17:54:01 EDT, Richard Adams <[email hidden]>

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The sad part is when I look at the opinion polls and see half the
registered voters of this country seem to think that guys done a fine
job and should stay in office. I'm pretty sure the fall of Rome began
like this.

The sad part is that far less than half feel he has done a good job,
but consider him more honest and preferable to Kerry. Why the
nomination process didn't pick a better alternative is the real
question.

My new conspiracy theory is that Terry Mcauliffe has arranged that
there will be no Democratic incumbent when Hillary wants to play in
2008.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
JOe Lieberman and John McCain in 2004

On 14 Sep 2004 00:10:24 -0700, "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email hidden]>

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Tom Kunich said:

Can you even imagine a decent man that would run for office in a

world where

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James Carville is working for someone's election?

Been listening to Rush Limbaugh again lately eh?

If true, it wouldn't be surprising. Rush is about your speed.

Rush is an entertainer. Carville is hired by a candidate and acts as his agent
and spokesman.

Ron

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"TritonRider" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

From: Richard Adams [email hidden]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The sad part is when I look at the opinion polls and see half the
registered voters of this country seem to think that guys done a fine
job and should stay in office. I'm pretty sure the fall of Rome began
like this.

Haven't you noticed that we're holding a contest to elect the biggest

[censored]?

Quoted message said:

They are both anti-freedom, pro grabbing the bucks wherever you can,
scumsuckers. They just support raping different groups, and stripping

different

Quoted message said:

rights.
They both suck.

Can you even imagine a decent man that would run for office in a world where
James Carville is working for someone's election?

Can you even picture what Adams would have to say about a decent man? He's
grind him under his heal and call him even worse names than he has Bush.

Bush may not be much but he's light years above Kerry. The only reason that
Kerry is there is because the Democrats have been snookered by Clinton to
set up Hillary for next election.

Tom,

You are really letting your partisanship show. I can't imagine what
would make you single out Carville within the context of this
election.

The rest of your point is not a point at all...just a rant.

I believe Bush has shown he can't be trusted. I base this opinion on:
- Reports of Bush not fullfilling his guard duty
- Reports of Bushs alcohol and drug abuse
- Bush presenting highly questionable intelligence on WMD as fact
- Latest headlines in USA Today show that the Bush Administration
deliberately hid over $100 Billion dollars in costs of their medicare
drug proposal as well as the fact that medicare increases will eat up
social security benefits. USA Today, Sep 14, 2004, Page 1, "Medical
costs eat at Social Security'

Now notice this isn't a bald statement of Kerry being 'light years'
better. I at least support my statement with information. You may
choose not to accept the information. But, I would hope that a
seemingly thoughtful man as yourself could add more to the discussion
than unsupported opinion.

Donald Munro <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Richard Adams said:

Quoted message said:

The sad part is when I look at the opinion polls and see half the
registered voters of this country seem to think that guys done a fine
job and should stay in office. I'm pretty sure the fall of Rome began
like this.

John Forrest Tomlinson said:

WTF are you talking about? It's mission accomplished in Iraq, Saddam
Hussein who bombed the WTC is in custody, the economy has turned the
corner, and we're on our way on the big anti-steroid and broadband for
everyone initiatives Bush announced in his state of the union
addresses. Those last two might take a little time though.

With the highly esteemed governor of California leading the anti-steroid
initiative ? Perhaps he could even head a corporate takeover of WADA.

I expect Ahnold knows all about steroid use. Has he actually come out
and admitted using such things back in his body-builder days?

John Forrest Tomlinson said:

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This stuff is all paid for with taxes.

I'm all for cutting taxes. LOL

Quoted message said:

From: [email hidden] (Richard Adams)

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I expect Ahnold knows all about steroid use. Has he actually come out
and admitted using such things back in his body-builder days?

Yeah he has. I'd have to go dig it all out.
His argument was the same as Hulk Hogan's that it was legal then, they were
being told that it was safe and effective. It was legal within the sport at the
time etc...
In his defense he has said that it was a mistake after having seen the
negative effects that steroid abuse has had on people he knew and he would
never have used them if he had known that then.
As competitive as he is I think he would've used them anyway, as they were
legal.
Bill C

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I believe Bush has shown he can't be trusted. I base this opinion on:
- Reports of Bush not fullfilling his guard duty

Right and what's your age and what service were you in?

Quoted message said:

- Reports of Bushs alcohol and drug abuse

Right, and Clinton was a Sunday School teacher. And Kerry has been straight
arrow if you don't count his claims that he committed war crimes and
attrocities in Vietnam, has lied about practically everything from Nixon
being President in '68 to flip-flopping on practically every issue.

Quoted message said:

- Bush presenting highly questionable intelligence on WMD as fact

And yet there are quotes from EVERY SINGLE WORLD LEADER, Kerry, Clintons
Bill and Hillary both, Janet Reno, Kofi Annan, Jacques Chirac and German
Chanceller Gerhard Schroeder ALL saying the same thing. Explain why this
would be Bush lying and not everyone else as well.

Quoted message said:

- Latest headlines in USA Today show that the Bush Administration
deliberately hid over $100 Billion dollars in costs of their medicare
drug proposal as well as the fact that medicare increases will eat up
social security benefits. USA Today, Sep 14, 2004, Page 1, "Medical
costs eat at Social Security'

So you judge your President according to headlines in USA Today huh? No
wonder this country is so screwed up. You drooling idiots are everywhere.

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Now notice this isn't a bald statement of Kerry being 'light years'
better. I at least support my statement with information. You may
choose not to accept the information. But, I would hope that a
seemingly thoughtful man as yourself could add more to the discussion
than unsupported opinion.

Bush has a proven record.

As for Kerry:

1) The man spent four months in combat during which time he put in falsely
for at least two of his three Purple Hearts.

2) While in Vietnam he filled out action reports which made himself look
like a hero while belittling those who were taking the real chances. For
instance: It was the Nung soldiers that did all of the fighting on the day
that Kerry "earned" his Silver Star by shooting a fleeing teenage Vietcong
in the back. Fortunes of war perhaps, but not Silver Star material.

3) After coming back from Vietnam Kerry gave aid and comfort to the enemy by
leading protest movements. (If you don't believe this, Kerry's picture today
can be found in Ho Chi Minh City (Saigon) 's War Museum under the title of
"Hero of the Revolution."

4) Kerry was a leader in the "Winter Soldier Investigation" in which
purported American Soldiers testified to committing attrocities. When the
Pentagon investigated these cases they found that most of those who
"testified" were never in the service, were in the service but never served
in Vietnam, or were not the person they claimed to be. NOT ONE SINGLE
INSTANCE of reported attrocities could be verified. Big surprise huh?

5) Kerry stood in a crowd outside of the White House and pretended to throw
his Silver Star and Bronz Star over the fence and onto the White House lawn.
Later when he was running for the Senate, these medals were prominently
displayed on the wall in his office. When pressed about this he claimed that
he had only "thrown his ribbons and someone else's medals."

6) Kerry has served for 19 years in the Senate. During that time he as
authored 8 (*count'em*) pieces of passed legislation. Not one of these was
most of them were cerimonials - thanking people for so many years of
service. Two of them were fishing legislation written by the fishing
industry of Massachusetts and only presented by Kerry. One of the bills was
federal grants to women's businesses. In short, his Senate record is almost
completely absent.

7) Kerry has missed about 70% of EVERY VOTE in the Senate. He has missed 80%
of the meetings of the important Intelligence Committee he was on.

8) Kerry has voted against military funding almost from the start of his
Senate career. He has voted against the bills that funded the research into
every modern weapons system that the US presently uses from the F-15 to the
B-2 bomber to the Sgt York., heavy tank etc.

9) Kerry chaired the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs in 1992. He
gathered literally reams of information on the presence of POW's and MIA's.
The director of the CIA testified before this committee that "it isn't a
question of whether they have POW's still but how many."

Kerry went to Vietnam, came back and his committee wrote a clean bill of
health for Vietnam claiming that there was no evidence of any remaining
POW's or MIA's. He then ORDERED THE RECORDS OF THE COMMITTEE TO BE
DESTROYED.

A month later his cousin's (C. Stewart Forbes) business, Collier's
International, based in Boston, was immediately awarded the exclusive
contract to rebuild Vietnam's infrastructure by the Vietnamese government.
This was thought to be worth an almost instant $10 million.

10) John Kerry and his wife Terresa own a house in Idaho. He installed a
great deal of landscaping on the property and it turned out that there was
insufficient water on the property to maintain his landscaping. So Kerry had
Idaho taxpayers re-route a river to nearer his property to maintain his
plants.

11) On See-BS Face the Nation on 9/23/01 he said "And the tragedy is, at the
moment, that the single most important weapon for the United States of
America is intelligence. .we are weakest, frankly, in that particular area.
So it's going to take us time to be able to build up here to do this
properly." What the SOB didn't say was that In 1994/95, Kerry proposed a
bill to gut $1.5 billion from intelligence and freeze spending for two major
intelligence programs--the National Foreign Intelligence Program and
Tactical Intelligence Program. (S. 1826) That bill did not make it to a
vote, but the language was retooled, the amount dropped to $1 billion, and
it was finally defeated as S. Amendment 1452 to H.R. 3759. (S. 1826,
Introduced 2/3/94). Or that he voted to cut 80 million from the FBI budget.
(HR-2076)

Now EXACTLY what sort of FACTS would you like? I mean I'm barely started
here so if you'd like we can carry this one forever while you tell me that
someone told you that Bush doesn't know what he's going and Kerry does.

Curtis L. Russell said:

On 13 Sep 2004 17:54:01 EDT, Richard Adams <[email hidden]>

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The sad part is when I look at the opinion polls and see half the
registered voters of this country seem to think that guys done a fine
job and should stay in office. I'm pretty sure the fall of Rome began
like this.

The sad part is that far less than half feel he has done a good job,
but consider him more honest and preferable to Kerry. Why the
nomination process didn't pick a better alternative is the real
question.

The problem's not Kerry, it's Rove.

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"We should not march into Baghdad. ... Assigning young soldiers to
a fruitless hunt for a securely entrenched dictator and condemning
them to fight in what would be an unwinnable urban guerilla war, it
could only plunge that part of the world into ever greater
instability." George Bush Sr. in his 1998 book "A World Transformed"

On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:05:32 -0600, Raptor <[email hidden]>

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The problem's not Kerry, it's Rove.

The problem is Kerry. Whether or not you place him ahead of Bush as
your choice as President is not the point - the Democratic nomination
process has not picked a particularly good nominee. The nomination
process is broken and the Democratic process is more broken than the
Republican one.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

I had sworn off these OT posts, but I can't let this one pass.
Although I should, given that one so firmly entrenched is not likely
swayed by a newsgroup post, but here goes.

"Tom Kunich" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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"Matt Cahill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I believe Bush has shown he can't be trusted. I base this opinion on:
- Reports of Bush not fullfilling his guard duty

Right and what's your age and what service were you in?

I don't think Bush fulfilled his National Guard duty. I think his
family pulled strings to get him in flight training that would keep
him out of Vietnam, putting him ahead of someone else. (My son is more
important than your son.) BTW, I served eight years in the U.S. Army;
three years in the former West Germany, two years in South Korea, and
the remainder stateside.

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- Reports of Bushs alcohol and drug abuse

Right, and Clinton was a Sunday School teacher. And Kerry has been straight
arrow if you don't count his claims that he committed war crimes and
attrocities in Vietnam, has lied about practically everything from Nixon
being President in '68 to flip-flopping on practically every issue.

Flip-flopping is hardly limited to Kerry, but you certainly spout the
party line. Bush didn't want a 9/11 Commission, then he backed it. He
didn't like their conclusions, now he's going to implement them. He
didn't want his National Security Advisor to testify, then he
relented. HE didn't want to testify, then he relented, as long as
Cheney would appear with him, in private. At least with Kerry, he can
explain why he changed positions. Bush looks like a deer caught in the
headlights.

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- Bush presenting highly questionable intelligence on WMD as fact

And yet there are quotes from EVERY SINGLE WORLD LEADER, Kerry, Clintons
Bill and Hillary both, Janet Reno, Kofi Annan, Jacques Chirac and German
Chanceller Gerhard Schroeder ALL saying the same thing. Explain why this
would be Bush lying and not everyone else as well.

This, of course, is wrong. Other than Tony Blair and George W. Bush,
please point to a single, credible source that shows another world
leader pushing the existence of WMDs in Iraq. I have been looking
since 2002 and haven't found one.

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- Latest headlines in USA Today show that the Bush Administration
deliberately hid over $100 Billion dollars in costs of their medicare
drug proposal as well as the fact that medicare increases will eat up
social security benefits. USA Today, Sep 14, 2004, Page 1, "Medical
costs eat at Social Security'

So you judge your President according to headlines in USA Today huh? No
wonder this country is so screwed up. You drooling idiots are everywhere.

How about NPR? They are carrying the story as well. To me, the larger
point is the scarier one. Stated mildly, Bush has a record of favoring
big business over private citizens. And yet somehow half of them stand
up for him. The man cannot conduct an unscripted press conference. The
man cannot think for himself. Religion is the crutch he has beaten
into a sword. He had no plan to win the peace in Iraq, wasting
soldier's lives while he dithers. And yet by some strange charisma,
he's convinced more people to vote for him than against him (according
to the polls).

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Now notice this isn't a bald statement of Kerry being 'light years'
better. I at least support my statement with information. You may
choose not to accept the information. But, I would hope that a
seemingly thoughtful man as yourself could add more to the discussion
than unsupported opinion.

Bush has a proven record.

He has a record of secrecy.
He has a record of privelege without responsibility.
He has a record of playing to the wealthy.
He has a record of gathering the evidence to support a conclusion,
rather than reaching a conclusion based on gathered evidence.
He has a record of not fulfilling campaign promises (though few do).
He has a record of believing that "perception is reality."
He has a record of exclusion.

If he wants to go run another oil company into the ground, that's fine
with me. However, I am outraged that he would play such petty games
with MY country.

<snipped anti-Kerry rhetoric>

Fine. I think we can all admit neither of these guys are angels. You
miss the point. I want Bush out. He has to go. And he will take Karl
Rove with him. Kerry is the best we have right now. So I will vote for
Kerry.

Roland

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"Matt Cahill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I believe Bush has shown he can't be trusted. I base this opinion on:
- Reports of Bush not fullfilling his guard duty

Right and what's your age and what service were you in?

You don't challenge the statement I site...you attack me. What does
my service record have to do with any of this ? But for your
information, I'm 47 years old and was lucky enough to avoid all of
this. And subsequently, I haven't tried to show up on the deck of an
aircraft carrier looking like a whimpy version of John Wayne.

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- Reports of Bushs alcohol and drug abuse

Right, and Clinton was a Sunday School teacher. And Kerry has been straight
arrow if you don't count his claims that he committed war crimes and
attrocities in Vietnam, has lied about practically everything from Nixon
being President in '68 to flip-flopping on practically every issue.

Once again...you don't challenge my fact...this time you attack
Clinton and Kerry on an entirely different issue. Clinton isn't even
running but neo-cons can never resist a swipe at Clinton.

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- Bush presenting highly questionable intelligence on WMD as fact

And yet there are quotes from EVERY SINGLE WORLD LEADER, Kerry, Clintons
Bill and Hillary both, Janet Reno, Kofi Annan, Jacques Chirac and German
Chanceller Gerhard Schroeder ALL saying the same thing. Explain why this
would be Bush lying and not everyone else as well.

Please site exact references. Most world leaders wanted more
inspection to try to find WMD. If they bought this mis-information as
much as Bush did, we probably wouldn't have had to essentially go it
alone in Iraq.

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Quoted message said:

- Latest headlines in USA Today show that the Bush Administration
deliberately hid over $100 Billion dollars in costs of their medicare
drug proposal as well as the fact that medicare increases will eat up
social security benefits. USA Today, Sep 14, 2004, Page 1, "Medical
costs eat at Social Security'

So you judge your President according to headlines in USA Today huh? No
wonder this country is so screwed up. You drooling idiots are everywhere.

I site a specific article in a mainstream news source which can
readily be read and checked out. The article sites specific sources
who had the direct responsibility for the actions described in the
article...for that I am a drooling idiot.

Later in your e-mail you quote dozens of 'facts' about Kerry's vietnam
service based on almost 40 year old recollections of people with
grudges against Kerry and whose recollections dispute documented
reports at the time as well as many other first hand witnesses.

Why don't you teach me how to evaluate information? Might it go
something like this:

Step 1 - Turn on Fox News
Step 2 - Turn off brain.