I started the lmmpsmf

"bc" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

The book's on the way. So, yesterday, I started w. lots of lean
protein, low carb veggies,

No peas, carrots, or corn (in case you didn't know, without the book yet)

Quoted message said:

and that's about it. Oh, and flax seed oil.

So, we'll see how it goes. When the book comes, I'll make any
necessary adjustments.

So far, after just two days, I'm not overly ravenous or anything
considering I'm probably eating at a 1500 or more calorie deficit.

Yeah, isn't it great? Appetite suppression is the best part of this diet.

David

"bc" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

The book's on the way. So, yesterday, I started w. lots of lean
protein, low carb veggies,

No peas, carrots, or corn (in case you didn't know, without the book yet)

Quoted message said:

and that's about it. Oh, and flax seed oil.

So, we'll see how it goes. When the book comes, I'll make any
necessary adjustments.

So far, after just two days, I'm not overly ravenous or anything
considering I'm probably eating at a 1500 or more calorie deficit.

Yeah, isn't it great? Appetite suppression is the best part of this diet.

David

David Cohen said:

"bc" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

The book's on the way. So, yesterday, I started w. lots of lean
protein, low carb veggies,

No peas, carrots, or corn (in case you didn't know, without the book yet)

Yeah, I figured they'd have way too many carbs. Beans are ok though
aren't they, like green, kidney, yellow, ...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

So far, after just two days, I'm not overly ravenous or anything
considering I'm probably eating at a 1500 or more calorie deficit.

Yeah, isn't it great? Appetite suppression is the best part of this diet.

David

I'm just trying to make sure I get enough to support activity. I can
see that some days will require a protein shake or something after
martial arts or lifting.

- bc

David Cohen said:

"bc" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

The book's on the way. So, yesterday, I started w. lots of lean
protein, low carb veggies,

No peas, carrots, or corn (in case you didn't know, without the book yet)

Yeah, I figured they'd have way too many carbs. Beans are ok though
aren't they, like green, kidney, yellow, ...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

So far, after just two days, I'm not overly ravenous or anything
considering I'm probably eating at a 1500 or more calorie deficit.

Yeah, isn't it great? Appetite suppression is the best part of this diet.

David

I'm just trying to make sure I get enough to support activity. I can
see that some days will require a protein shake or something after
martial arts or lifting.

- bc

In article <[email hidden]>,

bc said:

The book's on the way. So, yesterday, I started w. lots of lean
protein, low carb veggies, and that's about it. Oh, and flax seed oil.

So, we'll see how it goes. When the book comes, I'll make any
necessary adjustments.

So far, after just two days, I'm not overly ravenous or anything
considering I'm probably eating at a 1500 or more calorie deficit.

- bc

I started 3 days ago and I'm not hungry at all...
In fact, I'm having trouble getting down enough protein,
but I'm not going to stress out over the deficit. ;-)

Makes your sweat smell stronger tho' IMHO.

Good luck!
My weight is already dropping so so far, so good.

Cheers!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:

bc said:

Quoted message said:

The book's on the way. So, yesterday, I started w. lots of lean
protein, low carb veggies, and that's about it. Oh, and flax seed oil.

So, we'll see how it goes. When the book comes, I'll make any
necessary adjustments.

So far, after just two days, I'm not overly ravenous or anything
considering I'm probably eating at a 1500 or more calorie deficit.

Does anyone know of a good way to calculate approx how many calories one
*really* needs in a day to maintain status quo? Is the 12kcals/lb what
is accepted? If so then I ran a 2600 cal deficit yesterday? This seems
out of whack somewhere and that is why I am asking.

And of course fitday has me running almost a 4k deficit. :O Yeah, right.

Quoted message said:

I started 3 days ago and I'm not hungry at all...
In fact, I'm having trouble getting down enough protein,
but I'm not going to stress out over the deficit. ;-)

I am having a problem getting the right amount of protien down also, but
I am also hungry about an hour before lunch everyday so maybe I need to
figure out some . I am not too worried about the protien deficit as
right now about 75% of my calories are coming from protien.

Quoted message said:

Makes your sweat smell stronger tho' IMHO.

I haven't noticed the sweat thing. In the past low carb has given that
weird watered down cat pee smell to my sweat. Kinda like being around
someone who has a crank habit. But, then again, the booklet says to do
moderate maintenance types of exercise, so I haven't been running four
or five miles on that damned machine either.

I have noticed the burnt tires smell in the urine again.

Quoted message said:

Good luck!
My weight is already dropping so so far, so good.

I noticed a difference between going to bed last night and getting up
this morning. I am trying not to put too much into any weight changes
until after the fisrt break.

So I am going to monitor it, my scale weight, for the first 10-12 weeks
for curiousity sake, but what I am really after is being able to chart
the 10-12 weeks milestones. That and maintain lbm and lift weights as
much as possible.

Ryan

In article <[email hidden]>,

Ryan Case said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:

bc said:

Quoted message said:

The book's on the way. So, yesterday, I started w. lots of lean
protein, low carb veggies, and that's about it. Oh, and flax seed oil.

So, we'll see how it goes. When the book comes, I'll make any
necessary adjustments.

So far, after just two days, I'm not overly ravenous or anything
considering I'm probably eating at a 1500 or more calorie deficit.

Does anyone know of a good way to calculate approx how many calories one
*really* needs in a day to maintain status quo? Is the 12kcals/lb what
is accepted? If so then I ran a 2600 cal deficit yesterday? This seems
out of whack somewhere and that is why I am asking.

And of course fitday has me running almost a 4k deficit. :O Yeah, right.

According to DC, you don't count calories.
You count protein grams. ;-)

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I started 3 days ago and I'm not hungry at all...
In fact, I'm having trouble getting down enough protein,
but I'm not going to stress out over the deficit. ;-)

I am having a problem getting the right amount of protien down also, but
I am also hungry about an hour before lunch everyday so maybe I need to
figure out some . I am not too worried about the protien deficit as
right now about 75% of my calories are coming from protien.

You mis-spelled protein.... ;-)

Just messing with you!

My book is not here yet either.
I've got protein at closer to 90% ATM.

Ate 3 radishes yesterday and 3 1/2 chicken breasts,
and about 12 oz. lean beef patties today so far. I have more grilled
chicken breasts put aside for dinner tonight. I'll eat more radishes and
maybe some string beans if I want them.

Thinking about some veggies right now but I don't really want them.
I'm not hungry. :-P

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Makes your sweat smell stronger tho' IMHO.

I haven't noticed the sweat thing. In the past low carb has given that
weird watered down cat pee smell to my sweat. Kinda like being around
someone who has a crank habit. But, then again, the booklet says to do
moderate maintenance types of exercise, so I haven't been running four
or five miles on that damned machine either.

I was noticing an ammonia smell when I was at the gym this morning.
But, I sweated off 2 lbs. of sweat too.

Quoted message said:

I have noticed the burnt tires smell in the urine again.

I drink enough water I don't notice any urine odor.
It's too dilute. If your pee is anything darker than a very, VERY pale
yellow, drink more water. Even with the B-2 (B complex) supplementation.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Good luck!
My weight is already dropping so so far, so good.

I noticed a difference between going to bed last night and getting up
this morning. I am trying not to put too much into any weight changes
until after the fisrt break.

I'm waiting to drop below 220 before I declare success. Been stuck at
228 now for WEEKS! :-P

But, I started at 273 on Jan 4th. so not to complain.

Was at 222.7 this morning on the ER digital scale in Triage. ;-)

Quoted message said:

So I am going to monitor it, my scale weight, for the first 10-12 weeks
for curiousity sake, but what I am really after is being able to chart
the 10-12 weeks milestones. That and maintain lbm and lift weights as
much as possible.

For me, it's 10 lb. milestones...

Cheers!

Quoted message said:

Ryan

--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

bc said:

The book's on the way. So, yesterday, I started w. lots of lean
protein, low carb veggies, and that's about it. Oh, and flax seed oil.

So, we'll see how it goes. When the book comes, I'll make any
necessary adjustments.

So far, after just two days, I'm not overly ravenous or anything
considering I'm probably eating at a 1500 or more calorie deficit.

- bc

I started 3 days ago and I'm not hungry at all...
In fact, I'm having trouble getting down enough protein,
but I'm not going to stress out over the deficit. ;-)

Makes your sweat smell stronger tho' IMHO.

Good luck!
My weight is already dropping so so far, so good.

I noticed your posting on Lyle's forum. Sounds like we can keep up a
regular dialog on this, although perhaps we should do it on bodyrecomp.
I'm starting at about 220 lbs, aiming for 160 while minimizing muscle
loss. I probably won't get it all from the psmf, but hey, an initial
30 lbs would be great. Once Lyle's book comes, I'll be thinking about
foods very carefully. For now, I'm just doing lots of lean meat, low
carb veggies, and vitamins. I'm hoping to wait for any carb refeeds
until the book arrives so I can get the details.

I seem to comfortably eat around 1200 cals a day this way. Yesterday,
I had 123g Protein, 47g Carbs, and 54g of Fat, and 16g fiber.
Considering I had only foods and no Protein powder or anything, that's
not too bad. I can see that you're right, I may have enough trouble
getting all the protein w/o increasing cals too much. Supps will be
part of the diet no doubt, especially when workouts and sports are
involved.

- bc

In article <[email hidden]>,

bc said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

bc said:

The book's on the way. So, yesterday, I started w. lots of lean
protein, low carb veggies, and that's about it. Oh, and flax seed oil.

So, we'll see how it goes. When the book comes, I'll make any
necessary adjustments.

So far, after just two days, I'm not overly ravenous or anything
considering I'm probably eating at a 1500 or more calorie deficit.

- bc

I started 3 days ago and I'm not hungry at all...
In fact, I'm having trouble getting down enough protein,
but I'm not going to stress out over the deficit. ;-)

Makes your sweat smell stronger tho' IMHO.

Good luck!
My weight is already dropping so so far, so good.

I noticed your posting on Lyle's forum. Sounds like we can keep up a
regular dialog on this, although perhaps we should do it on bodyrecomp.

Uh, no, I'm not posting on Lyle's forum, unless someone is reposting my
posts there? It happens.

Quoted message said:

I'm starting at about 220 lbs, aiming for 160 while minimizing muscle
loss. I probably won't get it all from the psmf, but hey, an initial
30 lbs would be great. Once Lyle's book comes, I'll be thinking about
foods very carefully. For now, I'm just doing lots of lean meat, low
carb veggies, and vitamins. I'm hoping to wait for any carb refeeds
until the book arrives so I can get the details.

Ditto here.
I look forward to a re-feed. Yum! ;-)

Quoted message said:

I seem to comfortably eat around 1200 cals a day this way. Yesterday,
I had 123g Protein, 47g Carbs, and 54g of Fat, and 16g fiber.
Considering I had only foods and no Protein powder or anything, that's
not too bad. I can see that you're right, I may have enough trouble
getting all the protein w/o increasing cals too much. Supps will be
part of the diet no doubt, especially when workouts and sports are
involved.

- bc

Supps are a must IMHO.

Quoted message said:

--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Ryan Case said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:

bc said:

>The book's on the way. So, yesterday, I started w. lots of lean
>protein, low carb veggies, and that's about it. Oh, and flax seed oil.
>
>So, we'll see how it goes. When the book comes, I'll make any
>necessary adjustments.
>
>So far, after just two days, I'm not overly ravenous or anything
>considering I'm probably eating at a 1500 or more calorie deficit.

Does anyone know of a good way to calculate approx how many calories one
*really* needs in a day to maintain status quo? Is the 12kcals/lb what
is accepted? If so then I ran a 2600 cal deficit yesterday? This seems
out of whack somewhere and that is why I am asking.

And of course fitday has me running almost a 4k deficit. :O Yeah, right.

According to DC, you don't count calories.
You count protein grams. ;-)

Yeah, I know, but that doesn't change one's curious nature.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I started 3 days ago and I'm not hungry at all...
In fact, I'm having trouble getting down enough protein,
but I'm not going to stress out over the deficit. ;-)

I am having a problem getting the right amount of protien down also, but
I am also hungry about an hour before lunch everyday so maybe I need to
figure out some . I am not too worried about the protien deficit as
right now about 75% of my calories are coming from protien.

You mis-spelled protein.... ;-)

Lucky with me it wasn't all all caps to boot. Everything we do here at
work is all caps and sometimes you just forget to turn that off.

Quoted message said:

Just messing with you!

My book is not here yet either.

I think you've got me mistaken with someone else maybe, or misread me. I
bought the e-book last week.

Quoted message said:

I've got protein at closer to 90% ATM.

Wow! I guess I am a slacker. Or maybe it is that I didn't eat enough
yesterday.

Quoted message said:

Ate 3 radishes yesterday and 3 1/2 chicken breasts,
and about 12 oz. lean beef patties today so far. I have more grilled
chicken breasts put aside for dinner tonight. I'll eat more radishes and
maybe some string beans if I want them.

Thinking about some veggies right now but I don't really want them.
I'm not hungry. :-P

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Makes your sweat smell stronger tho' IMHO.

I haven't noticed the sweat thing. In the past low carb has given that
weird watered down cat pee smell to my sweat. Kinda like being around
someone who has a crank habit. But, then again, the booklet says to do
moderate maintenance types of exercise, so I haven't been running four
or five miles on that damned machine either.

I was noticing an ammonia smell when I was at the gym this morning.
But, I sweated off 2 lbs. of sweat too.

Quoted message said:

I have noticed the burnt tires smell in the urine again.

I drink enough water I don't notice any urine odor.

First trip of the day.

Quoted message said:

It's too dilute. If your pee is anything darker than a very, VERY pale
yellow, drink more water. Even with the B-2 (B complex) supplementation.

I usually run clear. I have been in the gallon-gallon and a half of
water range all week.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Good luck!
My weight is already dropping so so far, so good.

I noticed a difference between going to bed last night and getting up
this morning. I am trying not to put too much into any weight changes
until after the fisrt break.

I'm waiting to drop below 220 before I declare success. Been stuck at
228 now for WEEKS! :-P

228 is below my current goal. If I got down to 228 and kept all of my
lbm I would be around 12%bf.

Quoted message said:

But, I started at 273 on Jan 4th. so not to complain.

How tall are you?

Quoted message said:

Was at 222.7 this morning on the ER digital scale in Triage. ;-)

That's cheating! (Or at least having a workplace advantage) People would
look at me really funny if I started weighing myself in R+D everyday.
Besides, in our industry +/- 10lbs is considered accurate.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

So I am going to monitor it, my scale weight, for the first 10-12 weeks
for curiousity sake, but what I am really after is being able to chart
the 10-12 weeks milestones. That and maintain lbm and lift weights as
much as possible.

For me, it's 10 lb. milestones...

I won't dismiss 10lb changes, but I am in this for the long term changes
not the short ones. (I have lost almost 10lbs of scale weight this week).

Quoted message said:

Cheers!

Quoted message said:

Ryan

In article <[email hidden]>,

Ryan Case said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Ryan Case said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
"bc" <[email hidden]> wrote:

>
>>The book's on the way. So, yesterday, I started w. lots of lean
>>protein, low carb veggies, and that's about it. Oh, and flax seed oil.
>>
>>So, we'll see how it goes. When the book comes, I'll make any
>>necessary adjustments.
>>
>>So far, after just two days, I'm not overly ravenous or anything
>>considering I'm probably eating at a 1500 or more calorie deficit.

Does anyone know of a good way to calculate approx how many calories one
*really* needs in a day to maintain status quo? Is the 12kcals/lb what
is accepted? If so then I ran a 2600 cal deficit yesterday? This seems
out of whack somewhere and that is why I am asking.

And of course fitday has me running almost a 4k deficit. :O Yeah, right.

According to DC, you don't count calories.
You count protein grams. ;-)

Yeah, I know, but that doesn't change one's curious nature.

I'll go along with that, you are keeping track better than I am.
I'm using package labels ATM rather than fitday.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>I started 3 days ago and I'm not hungry at all...
>In fact, I'm having trouble getting down enough protein,
>but I'm not going to stress out over the deficit. ;-)

I am having a problem getting the right amount of protien down also, but
I am also hungry about an hour before lunch everyday so maybe I need to
figure out some . I am not too worried about the protien deficit as
right now about 75% of my calories are coming from protien.

You mis-spelled protein.... ;-)

Lucky with me it wasn't all all caps to boot. Everything we do here at
work is all caps and sometimes you just forget to turn that off.

Heh.
That goes over like a lead balloon on usenet!

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Just messing with you!

My book is not here yet either.

I think you've got me mistaken with someone else maybe, or misread me. I
bought the e-book last week.

Oh, sorry!

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I've got protein at closer to 90% ATM.

Wow! I guess I am a slacker. Or maybe it is that I didn't eat enough
yesterday.

Or I eat the meat first and it fills me up.
I just cannot eat if I'm not hungry.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Ate 3 radishes yesterday and 3 1/2 chicken breasts,
and about 12 oz. lean beef patties today so far. I have more grilled
chicken breasts put aside for dinner tonight. I'll eat more radishes and
maybe some string beans if I want them.

Thinking about some veggies right now but I don't really want them.
I'm not hungry. :-P

Quoted message said:

>Makes your sweat smell stronger tho' IMHO.

I haven't noticed the sweat thing. In the past low carb has given that
weird watered down cat pee smell to my sweat. Kinda like being around
someone who has a crank habit. But, then again, the booklet says to do
moderate maintenance types of exercise, so I haven't been running four
or five miles on that damned machine either.

I was noticing an ammonia smell when I was at the gym this morning.
But, I sweated off 2 lbs. of sweat too.

Quoted message said:

I have noticed the burnt tires smell in the urine again.

I drink enough water I don't notice any urine odor.

First trip of the day.

Oh.

You want stinky pee, eat asparagus. ;-)

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

It's too dilute. If your pee is anything darker than a very, VERY pale
yellow, drink more water. Even with the B-2 (B complex) supplementation.

I usually run clear. I have been in the gallon-gallon and a half of
water range all week.

You are doing well then. I'm at 3/4 to 1 gallon.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>Good luck!
>My weight is already dropping so so far, so good.

I noticed a difference between going to bed last night and getting up
this morning. I am trying not to put too much into any weight changes
until after the fisrt break.

I'm waiting to drop below 220 before I declare success. Been stuck at
228 now for WEEKS! :-P

228 is below my current goal. If I got down to 228 and kept all of my
lbm I would be around 12%bf.

My goal is 150 to 180. Medium frame, but I want to dump the fat, then
gain back muscle over time. I'm patient.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

But, I started at 273 on Jan 4th. so not to complain.

How tall are you?

5' 6"

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Was at 222.7 this morning on the ER digital scale in Triage. ;-)

That's cheating! (Or at least having a workplace advantage) People would
look at me really funny if I started weighing myself in R+D everyday.
Besides, in our industry +/- 10lbs is considered accurate.

I'm obsessive. What can I say? ;-D

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

So I am going to monitor it, my scale weight, for the first 10-12 weeks
for curiousity sake, but what I am really after is being able to chart
the 10-12 weeks milestones. That and maintain lbm and lift weights as
much as possible.

For me, it's 10 lb. milestones...

I won't dismiss 10lb changes, but I am in this for the long term changes
not the short ones. (I have lost almost 10lbs of scale weight this week).

Well done!

I know what you mean about long term tho'.
My goal is 120 lbs. gone.

50 so far, not bad, but not 1/2 way there yet.
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

bc said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
"bc" <[email hidden]> wrote:

> The book's on the way. So, yesterday, I started w. lots of lean
> protein, low carb veggies, and that's about it. Oh, and flax seed oil.
>
> So, we'll see how it goes. When the book comes, I'll make any
> necessary adjustments.
>
> So far, after just two days, I'm not overly ravenous or anything
> considering I'm probably eating at a 1500 or more calorie deficit.
>
> - bc
>

I started 3 days ago and I'm not hungry at all...
In fact, I'm having trouble getting down enough protein,
but I'm not going to stress out over the deficit. ;-)

Makes your sweat smell stronger tho' IMHO.

Good luck!
My weight is already dropping so so far, so good.

I noticed your posting on Lyle's forum. Sounds like we can keep up a
regular dialog on this, although perhaps we should do it on bodyrecomp.

Uh, no, I'm not posting on Lyle's forum, unless someone is reposting my
posts there? It happens.

Duh. I must be reading too much of both here and there. Sorry.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I can see that you're right, I may have enough trouble
getting all the protein w/o increasing cals too much. Supps will be
part of the diet no doubt, especially when workouts and sports are
involved.

- bc

Supps are a must IMHO.

I'm thinking I'll have a protein shake an hour before lifting or other
workout, and see how the energy levels go.

- bc

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Ryan Case said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
Ryan Case <[email hidden]> wrote:

>OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>"bc" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>
>>>The book's on the way. So, yesterday, I started w. lots of lean
>>>protein, low carb veggies, and that's about it. Oh, and flax seed oil.
>>>
>>>So, we'll see how it goes. When the book comes, I'll make any
>>>necessary adjustments.
>>>
>>>So far, after just two days, I'm not overly ravenous or anything
>>>considering I'm probably eating at a 1500 or more calorie deficit.
>
>Does anyone know of a good way to calculate approx how many calories one
>*really* needs in a day to maintain status quo? Is the 12kcals/lb what
>is accepted? If so then I ran a 2600 cal deficit yesterday? This seems
>out of whack somewhere and that is why I am asking.
>
>And of course fitday has me running almost a 4k deficit. :O Yeah, right.

According to DC, you don't count calories.
You count protein grams. ;-)

Yeah, I know, but that doesn't change one's curious nature.

I'll go along with that, you are keeping track better than I am.
I'm using package labels ATM rather than fitday.

I can't think of anything other than the egg beaters, tuna and ff cheese
that I am eating that comes in a package right now. Hmmm. Probably
something to be said for that, huh?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>I started 3 days ago and I'm not hungry at all...
>>In fact, I'm having trouble getting down enough protein,
>>but I'm not going to stress out over the deficit. ;-)
>
>I am having a problem getting the right amount of protien down also, but
>I am also hungry about an hour before lunch everyday so maybe I need to
>figure out some . I am not too worried about the protien deficit as
>right now about 75% of my calories are coming from protien.

You mis-spelled protein.... ;-)

Lucky with me it wasn't all all caps to boot. Everything we do here at
work is all caps and sometimes you just forget to turn that off.

Heh.
That goes over like a lead balloon on usenet!

Goes over even better in e-mails to your co-workers, or boss even.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Just messing with you!

My book is not here yet either.

I think you've got me mistaken with someone else maybe, or misread me. I
bought the e-book last week.

Oh, sorry!

Pffft. I am soooo thick skinned. I didn't even think twice about it,
just didn't want to accidently be impersonating anyone.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I've got protein at closer to 90% ATM.

Wow! I guess I am a slacker. Or maybe it is that I didn't eat enough
yesterday.

Or I eat the meat first and it fills me up.
I just cannot eat if I'm not hungry.

I am also only fixing myself so much meat per meal and if I am still
hungry then I eat more salad or veggies. Prolly need to re-evaluate the
portion size based on my size.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Ate 3 radishes yesterday and 3 1/2 chicken breasts,
and about 12 oz. lean beef patties today so far. I have more grilled
chicken breasts put aside for dinner tonight. I'll eat more radishes and
maybe some string beans if I want them.

Thinking about some veggies right now but I don't really want them.
I'm not hungry. :-P

>>Makes your sweat smell stronger tho' IMHO.
>
>I haven't noticed the sweat thing. In the past low carb has given that
>weird watered down cat pee smell to my sweat. Kinda like being around
>someone who has a crank habit. But, then again, the booklet says to do
>moderate maintenance types of exercise, so I haven't been running four
>or five miles on that damned machine either.

I was noticing an ammonia smell when I was at the gym this morning.
But, I sweated off 2 lbs. of sweat too.

>I have noticed the burnt tires smell in the urine again.

I drink enough water I don't notice any urine odor.

First trip of the day.

Oh.

You want stinky pee, eat asparagus. ;-)

I like asparagus. Actually I like just about everything. I can only name
about six foods that I would rather not eat.

BTW, soy sauce makes a decent dressing for a fresh spinach salad.

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It's too dilute. If your pee is anything darker than a very, VERY pale
yellow, drink more water. Even with the B-2 (B complex) supplementation.

I usually run clear. I have been in the gallon-gallon and a half of
water range all week.

You are doing well then. I'm at 3/4 to 1 gallon.

I have a bottle that holds one quart. I have four a day during work. One
during workout and one throughout the rest of the night.

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>>Good luck!
>>My weight is already dropping so so far, so good.
>
>I noticed a difference between going to bed last night and getting up
>this morning. I am trying not to put too much into any weight changes
>until after the fisrt break.

I'm waiting to drop below 220 before I declare success. Been stuck at
228 now for WEEKS! :-P

228 is below my current goal. If I got down to 228 and kept all of my
lbm I would be around 12%bf.

My goal is 150 to 180. Medium frame, but I want to dump the fat, then
gain back muscle over time. I'm patient.

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But, I started at 273 on Jan 4th. so not to complain.

How tall are you?

5' 6"

Oh, o.k. Well jumping ahead to the end of the message, 50lbs cut off of
a 5'6" frame has to be a pretty impressive change.

I am just about 6'3". I caliper in at around 200lbs lbm. So my first
goal is to get to 15% bf. Which, knock on wood, if I can keep almost all
of my current lbm would put me around 230. I remember 230. It was only
11 years ago.

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Was at 222.7 this morning on the ER digital scale in Triage. ;-)

That's cheating! (Or at least having a workplace advantage) People would
look at me really funny if I started weighing myself in R+D everyday.
Besides, in our industry +/- 10lbs is considered accurate.

I'm obsessive. What can I say? ;-D

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>So I am going to monitor it, my scale weight, for the first 10-12 weeks
>for curiousity sake, but what I am really after is being able to chart
>the 10-12 weeks milestones. That and maintain lbm and lift weights as
>much as possible.

For me, it's 10 lb. milestones...

I won't dismiss 10lb changes, but I am in this for the long term changes
not the short ones. (I have lost almost 10lbs of scale weight this week).

Well done!

Yes, but just the begining and not even noticable on my frame. I want to
need new pants.

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I know what you mean about long term tho'.
My goal is 120 lbs. gone.

50 so far, not bad, but not 1/2 way there yet.

I am trying to cut a total of 60lbs of fat by Sept. 2nd of next year.

Like I said up above. 50lbs cut off of your frame is impressive.

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Ryan Case said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:

bc said:

>The book's on the way. So, yesterday, I started w. lots of lean
>protein, low carb veggies, and that's about it. Oh, and flax seed oil.
>
>So, we'll see how it goes. When the book comes, I'll make any
>necessary adjustments.
>
>So far, after just two days, I'm not overly ravenous or anything
>considering I'm probably eating at a 1500 or more calorie deficit.

Does anyone know of a good way to calculate approx how many calories one
*really* needs in a day to maintain status quo? Is the 12kcals/lb what
is accepted? If so then I ran a 2600 cal deficit yesterday? This seems
out of whack somewhere and that is why I am asking.

And of course fitday has me running almost a 4k deficit. :O Yeah, right.

According to DC, you don't count calories.
You count protein grams. ;-)

That's all you have to do, for the diet. To satisfy one's
obsessive/compulsive nature, one might have to count other things, as well.
I don't like counting more than I have to. I prefer the Tom Morley Method of
counting: one, two, some, many.

David

In article <[email hidden]>,

Ryan Case said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Ryan Case said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:

>In article <[email hidden]>,
> Ryan Case <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>
>
>>OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>>"bc" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>The book's on the way. So, yesterday, I started w. lots of lean
>>>>protein, low carb veggies, and that's about it. Oh, and flax seed oil.
>>>>
>>>>So, we'll see how it goes. When the book comes, I'll make any
>>>>necessary adjustments.
>>>>
>>>>So far, after just two days, I'm not overly ravenous or anything
>>>>considering I'm probably eating at a 1500 or more calorie deficit.
>>
>>Does anyone know of a good way to calculate approx how many calories one
>>*really* needs in a day to maintain status quo? Is the 12kcals/lb what
>>is accepted? If so then I ran a 2600 cal deficit yesterday? This seems
>>out of whack somewhere and that is why I am asking.
>>
>>And of course fitday has me running almost a 4k deficit. :O Yeah, right.
>
>
>According to DC, you don't count calories.
>You count protein grams. ;-)

Yeah, I know, but that doesn't change one's curious nature.

I'll go along with that, you are keeping track better than I am.
I'm using package labels ATM rather than fitday.

I can't think of anything other than the egg beaters, tuna and ff cheese
that I am eating that comes in a package right now. Hmmm. Probably
something to be said for that, huh?

Yes, but I buy frozen chicken breasts in a bag and they have a
nutritional label on those. So do wings.

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>
>>>I started 3 days ago and I'm not hungry at all...
>>>In fact, I'm having trouble getting down enough protein,
>>>but I'm not going to stress out over the deficit. ;-)
>>
>>I am having a problem getting the right amount of protien down also, but
>>I am also hungry about an hour before lunch everyday so maybe I need to
>>figure out some . I am not too worried about the protien deficit as
>>right now about 75% of my calories are coming from protien.
>
>
>You mis-spelled protein.... ;-)

Lucky with me it wasn't all all caps to boot. Everything we do here at
work is all caps and sometimes you just forget to turn that off.

Heh.
That goes over like a lead balloon on usenet!

Goes over even better in e-mails to your co-workers, or boss even.

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>Just messing with you!
>
>My book is not here yet either.

I think you've got me mistaken with someone else maybe, or misread me. I
bought the e-book last week.

Oh, sorry!

Pffft. I am soooo thick skinned. I didn't even think twice about it,
just didn't want to accidently be impersonating anyone.

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>I've got protein at closer to 90% ATM.

Wow! I guess I am a slacker. Or maybe it is that I didn't eat enough
yesterday.

Or I eat the meat first and it fills me up.
I just cannot eat if I'm not hungry.

I am also only fixing myself so much meat per meal and if I am still
hungry then I eat more salad or veggies. Prolly need to re-evaluate the
portion size based on my size.

Whatever works for you. ;-)
Before this, I was doing the Atkins high fat thing and that worked for
quite awhile but stopped. As a result, my stomach seems to have shrunk.
I can't eat very much in one sitting anymore and have not been able to
for quite some time. One whole chicken breast and I'm pretty much done!

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>Ate 3 radishes yesterday and 3 1/2 chicken breasts,
>and about 12 oz. lean beef patties today so far. I have more grilled
>chicken breasts put aside for dinner tonight. I'll eat more radishes and
>maybe some string beans if I want them.
>
>Thinking about some veggies right now but I don't really want them.
>I'm not hungry. :-P
>
>
>
>>>Makes your sweat smell stronger tho' IMHO.
>>
>>I haven't noticed the sweat thing. In the past low carb has given that
>>weird watered down cat pee smell to my sweat. Kinda like being around
>>someone who has a crank habit. But, then again, the booklet says to do
>>moderate maintenance types of exercise, so I haven't been running four
>>or five miles on that damned machine either.
>
>
>I was noticing an ammonia smell when I was at the gym this morning.
>But, I sweated off 2 lbs. of sweat too.
>
>
>
>>I have noticed the burnt tires smell in the urine again.
>
>
>I drink enough water I don't notice any urine odor.

First trip of the day.

Oh.

You want stinky pee, eat asparagus. ;-)

I like asparagus. Actually I like just about everything. I can only name
about six foods that I would rather not eat.

I adore asparagus.

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BTW, soy sauce makes a decent dressing for a fresh spinach salad.

Yes, mixed with just a little herbed vinegar or lime juice.

A few sprays of Braggs Liquid Aminos are also good and not quite as
salty as regular soy sauce.

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>It's too dilute. If your pee is anything darker than a very, VERY pale
>yellow, drink more water. Even with the B-2 (B complex) supplementation.

I usually run clear. I have been in the gallon-gallon and a half of
water range all week.

You are doing well then. I'm at 3/4 to 1 gallon.

I have a bottle that holds one quart. I have four a day during work. One
during workout and one throughout the rest of the night.

I have a quart size glass next to the computer, and a very large water
cup at work. Funny, a gallon a day used to be a bit daunting but not
anymore.

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>
>>>Good luck!
>>>My weight is already dropping so so far, so good.
>>
>>I noticed a difference between going to bed last night and getting up
>>this morning. I am trying not to put too much into any weight changes
>>until after the fisrt break.
>
>
>I'm waiting to drop below 220 before I declare success. Been stuck at
>228 now for WEEKS! :-P

228 is below my current goal. If I got down to 228 and kept all of my
lbm I would be around 12%bf.

My goal is 150 to 180. Medium frame, but I want to dump the fat, then
gain back muscle over time. I'm patient.

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>But, I started at 273 on Jan 4th. so not to complain.

How tall are you?

5' 6"

Oh, o.k. Well jumping ahead to the end of the message, 50lbs cut off of
a 5'6" frame has to be a pretty impressive change.

My old pants don't fit. ;-)

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I am just about 6'3". I caliper in at around 200lbs lbm. So my first
goal is to get to 15% bf. Which, knock on wood, if I can keep almost all
of my current lbm would put me around 230. I remember 230. It was only
11 years ago.

I remember 180......

<sigh>

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>Was at 222.7 this morning on the ER digital scale in Triage. ;-)

That's cheating! (Or at least having a workplace advantage) People would
look at me really funny if I started weighing myself in R+D everyday.
Besides, in our industry +/- 10lbs is considered accurate.

I'm obsessive. What can I say? ;-D

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>
>>So I am going to monitor it, my scale weight, for the first 10-12 weeks
>>for curiousity sake, but what I am really after is being able to chart
>>the 10-12 weeks milestones. That and maintain lbm and lift weights as
>>much as possible.
>
>
>For me, it's 10 lb. milestones...

I won't dismiss 10lb changes, but I am in this for the long term changes
not the short ones. (I have lost almost 10lbs of scale weight this week).

Well done!

Yes, but just the begining and not even noticable on my frame. I want to
need new pants.

You will. Be patient.

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I know what you mean about long term tho'.
My goal is 120 lbs. gone.

50 so far, not bad, but not 1/2 way there yet.

I am trying to cut a total of 60lbs of fat by Sept. 2nd of next year.

Like I said up above. 50lbs cut off of your frame is impressive.

Thanks.
Got 40 to 70 to go. I'll play it by ear and see what happens.

Cheers!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

"bc" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Update: the book arrived yesterday. I read the first 4 chapters last
night then had to turn in. There are some classic Lyle-isms in there.

I got the book recently myself and reading it when I get a chance in my busy
schedule.

Lyle's writing style is a great alternative to the wordy, traditional diet
book formula. It would only appeal to those who want some specialized info.
Traditionalists will hate his guts.

Yeah, I like his style. I wish he gave a little more background info though.
But all in all, I like the book. He gets the job done with an economy and
nerd flair that is rare. I give him points for that.