I-Pod war?

"Bill Baka" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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You guys amaze me.
Some of you, at least.
I posted a pointer to an article that was written about the possibility of
I-Pods damaging a persons hearing, and it turned into a flame war.
Chill, ride, summer is coming.
Bill Baka

That's because a certain poster leapt at the opportunity to become the
safety nanny for the newsgroup. Why people can't just STFU and mind their
own business is beyond me.

My safety is my business, and I'll happily remind people to obey the
law. Want to listen to an iPod and ride? Do it on the trainer. Wearing
one on the bike path or street is being selfish and a finger in the eye
of other's safety.

I don't go on about helmets, that's personal choice, but riding the
wrong way, or riding and choosing to cut off one of your senses affects
everybody's safety.

Your freedom ends where mine begins.

"landotter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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My safety is my business, and I'll happily remind people to obey the
law.

You are not the police, you safety Nazi. Whatever happened to "live and let
live"?

Want to listen to an iPod and ride? Do it on the trainer. Wearing

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one on the bike path or street is being selfish and a finger in the eye
of other's safety.

You are in more danger of being run over by a harried motorist on a cell
phone, or run into by a racer hammering head down.

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I don't go on about helmets, that's personal choice, but riding the
wrong way, or riding and choosing to cut off one of your senses affects
everybody's safety.

Your freedom ends where mine begins.

Again, you have more to worry about than cyclists wearing headphones. Do you
freak out in winter when they're wearing earmuffs or ear bands? How about on
windy days? If you're such a wuss that cycling in public is that scary for
you, I suggest you buy a Lifecycle.

On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 02:52:57 GMT, "Gooserider"
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Do you
freak out in winter when they're wearing earmuffs or ear bands?

The point remains that wearing headphones or pair of ear-buds while
operating a vehicle is illegal in many, if not most, jurisdictions.
AFAIK, ear muffs aren't similarly proscribed.

While the "safety" issue is often overblown there are liability
issues. IOW, you might and likely will have a harder time getting
compensation from insurers if you are wearing headphones when
involved in a collision.

Here it's technically illegal for pedestrians to have both ears
covered with headphones or plugged with ear-buds while crossing the
street. IMO that's merely a handy escape clause for the insurer.

The problem with these laws is that they're not enforced unless it's
strictly a hassle bust and excuse to shake down the offender.

Now let's move on to a decent guns or dogs thread so we can get back
to the regularly scheduled helmet wars.
--
zk

Jogging or bicycling with headphones on is inherently dangerous.

jb said:

Jogging or bicycling with headphones on is inherently dangerous.

So is getting out of bed in the morning.

Bill "willing to risk it" S.

"jb" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Jogging or bicycling with headphones on is inherently dangerous.

So is LIFE. Hell, so is bicycling in traffic. Why don't you just stay home
under the covers?

jb said:

Jogging or bicycling with headphones on is inherently dangerous.

No it's not.
A car behind me is a car behind me whether I can hear it or not. Are
you able to tell whether that car behind you is coming straight for you
or is steering to go around you by hearing alone? Do you look back
everytime you hear a car behind you? Do you ever make a change in
direction without visually checking around you first? And you have to
have your music on pretty loud not to be able to hear sirens and horns.

And jogging, I always jog against traffic anyway to make sure I see
who's gunning for me.

laters,

Marz

Gooserider said:

"jb" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Jogging or bicycling with headphones on is inherently dangerous.

So is LIFE. Hell, so is bicycling in traffic. Why don't you just stay home
under the covers?

Bed rest is quite dangerous too.

But then the odds of living to 100 years are quite small.

"Gooserider" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"jb" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Jogging or bicycling with headphones on is inherently dangerous.

So is LIFE. Hell, so is bicycling in traffic. Why don't you just stay home
under the covers?

It is best to sleep UNDER the bed. That way you fool those who would do you
harm. They will expect you to be in bed, not under it. It is also good to
have a shotgun at your side. You never know when you may need it.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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"Gooserider" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"jb" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Jogging or bicycling with headphones on is inherently dangerous.

So is LIFE. Hell, so is bicycling in traffic. Why don't you just stay home
under the covers?

It is best to sleep UNDER the bed. That way you fool those who would do you
harm. They will expect you to be in bed, not under it. It is also good to
have a shotgun at your side. You never know when you may need it.

But a clever man would know it's foolish to stay in the bed and it's
safer to be under the bed, therefore the clever assassin would aim
under the bed. To outwit the clever assassin it's safer to stay in the
bed.

http://72.224.21.212/epub/pbride/pbimages/vizz5.jpg

Laters,

Marz

landotter said:

My safety is my business, and I'll happily remind people to obey the
law. Want to listen to an iPod and ride? Do it on the trainer. Wearing
one on the bike path or street is being selfish and a finger in the eye
of other's safety.

I don't go on about helmets, that's personal choice, but riding the
wrong way, or riding and choosing to cut off one of your senses affects
everybody's safety.

Your freedom ends where mine begins.

I listen to radio as I commute. I'm biking for over an hour each way,
do you really expect me to waste that time? I rarely listen to music
though, most of the time I have talk radio on. Usually Air America or
Pacifica, that way I can actually learn something.

Sometimes I listen to lectures or webcasts. I never have the volume
high enough to intefere with hearing what's around me. In the summer I
drive with the windows closed and music on. I can't hear a thing that
occurs around the car.

Just keep alert, that's the idea.

Was there a huge debate when radios were first being installed in
cars?

"Gooserider" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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That's because a certain poster leapt at the opportunity to become the
safety nanny for the newsgroup. Why people can't just STFU and mind
their own business is beyond me.

I didn't get involved in the flame war, didn't even read it, but
speaking of safety nannies, I have an observation:

The other day I was riding down my local greenway. I was gaining on a
rider and was contemplating passing. From behind, she looked properly
kitted out and looked like a responsible rider, so I called out "passing
left" and made my move. In one of those moments of inevitability, she
apparently hadn't heard me and picked that moment to swing out to the
left a little, possibly to avoid something on the ground, but adding a
lot of anxiety to my pass. When I got a closer look, there, camoflogued
by the helmet straps, were those tiny i-pod earphones. Had I been aware
that she had earphones in, I definitely would have done the pass
differently.

This isn't just nitpicking and nannyism. She put us both at risk,
myself unaware. In New York, it's illegal to drive a vehicle with
earphones in both ears.

And now I'll STFU.

--ag

andy gee said:

"Gooserider" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Quoted message said:

That's because a certain poster leapt at the opportunity to become the
safety nanny for the newsgroup. Why people can't just STFU and mind
their own business is beyond me.

I didn't get involved in the flame war, didn't even read it, but
speaking of safety nannies, I have an observation:

The other day I was riding down my local greenway. I was gaining on a
rider and was contemplating passing. From behind, she looked properly
kitted out and looked like a responsible rider, so I called out "passing
left" and made my move. In one of those moments of inevitability, she
apparently hadn't heard me and picked that moment to swing out to the
left a little, possibly to avoid something on the ground, but adding a
lot of anxiety to my pass. When I got a closer look, there, camoflogued
by the helmet straps, were those tiny i-pod earphones. Had I been aware
that she had earphones in, I definitely would have done the pass
differently.

This isn't just nitpicking and nannyism. She put us both at risk,
myself unaware. In New York, it's illegal to drive a vehicle with
earphones in both ears.

And now I'll STFU.

--ag

I like that. You enter someone else's personal space and because they
are unaware of you they get the blame for putting everyone at risk, you
donut! Please go back and learn how to ride a bike. The whole point of
'passing left' or a bell is to alert someone of your presence, if you
get no acknowledgement then it's likely you weren't heard or understood
and so the ownership of risk is still with you.

When you indicate to change lanes on the highway do you just indicate,
assume that everyone saw you indicate and change lanes or do indicate,
showing intent to move, check if it's clear or that someone is giving
you space and then change lanes.

Laters,

Marz

Gooserider said:

"Bill Baka" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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You guys amaze me.
Some of you, at least.
I posted a pointer to an article that was written about the possibility of
I-Pods damaging a persons hearing, and it turned into a flame war.
Chill, ride, summer is coming.
Bill Baka

That's because a certain poster leapt at the opportunity to become the
safety nanny for the newsgroup. Why people can't just STFU and mind their
own business is beyond me.

Thank you for pegging my irony meter.

Scott

andy gee said:

"Gooserider" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Quoted message said:

That's because a certain poster leapt at the opportunity to become the
safety nanny for the newsgroup. Why people can't just STFU and mind
their own business is beyond me.

I didn't get involved in the flame war, didn't even read it, but
speaking of safety nannies, I have an observation:

The other day I was riding down my local greenway. I was gaining on a
rider and was contemplating passing. From behind, she looked properly
kitted out and looked like a responsible rider, so I called out "passing
left" and made my move. In one of those moments of inevitability, she
apparently hadn't heard me and picked that moment to swing out to the
left a little, possibly to avoid something on the ground, but adding a
lot of anxiety to my pass. When I got a closer look, there, camoflogued
by the helmet straps, were those tiny i-pod earphones. Had I been aware
that she had earphones in, I definitely would have done the pass
differently.

Yes, this is my chief complaint as well. Often you
can't tell if a person is podding until it's too late.
At least with headphones there is a visual clue when
passing that they might not hear you.

When I call passing on your left on the MUP I use on
the ride home, the people who don't react inevitably
are wearing earbuds. That's fine if they don't do
something unusual. But if they are going to move in
an unexpected manner, I hope they're looking first,
because they sure aren't hearing.

Scott

"dgk" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I rarely listen to music
though, most of the time I have talk radio on. Usually Air America or
Pacifica, that way I can actually learn something.

Yeah, Jerry Springer is a fountain of knowledge. ;^)

dgk said:

I listen to radio as I commute. I'm biking for over an hour each way,
do you really expect me to waste that time? I rarely listen to music
though, most of the time I have talk radio on. Usually Air America or
Pacifica, that way I can actually learn something.

Sometimes I listen to lectures or webcasts. I never have the volume
high enough to intefere with hearing what's around me. In the summer I
drive with the windows closed and music on. I can't hear a thing that
occurs around the car.

Out of curiousity, how fast are you going? I can listen to (most) music
when I'm cycling [1], but there's far too much wind noise for me to listen
to any kind of talk radio.

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Just keep alert, that's the idea.

Was there a huge debate when radios were first being installed in
cars?

Maybe not, but then drinking and driving was not considered a problem in
the same time period (if I'm not recalling incorrectly).

[1] With a single earbud (as is legal in WA state), on the rare
occasion when I'm taking a long ride home in low traffic situations.

--
Dane Buson - [email hidden]
"Cooperate with the inevitable means 'Roll with the punch',
it does not mean stooling for the guards." -Lazarus Long

[email hidden] wrote:
:: Gooserider wrote:
::: "jb" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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:::: Jogging or bicycling with headphones on is inherently dangerous.
:::
::: So is LIFE. Hell, so is bicycling in traffic. Why don't you just
::: stay home under the covers?
::
:: Bed rest is quite dangerous too.
::
:: But then the odds of living to 100 years are quite small.

Passive smoke, too, yet people are still allow to smoke in public places and
subject others to their vile smoke.