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  1. Hi

    I had a go at Atkins in the summer of 2004 and found it the most successful
    diet I had tried. Don't know why I stopped but I have put it all back on
    and even more.

    I am determined to try again and the inspiration from some posters here has
    convinced me that I can do it!

    I will try to post regularly as I am sure that will help.

    Just a quick question for UK posters. I used to find the blocks of
    Philadelphia cream cheese useful in the past. Can't find it on the shelves
    now; it is all in tubs. Is it the same as the blocks used to be? If not,
    where can I buy the blocks?

    Liz

    256/140/140
    2nd Jan 06

  2. Got my figures wrong at the bottom!!! I wish!!! I have amended them here.

    "Liz J" <thejordanschangethistoanatsignclara.net> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hi

    I had a go at Atkins in the summer of 2004 and found it the most
    successful diet I had tried. Don't know why I stopped but I have put it
    all back on and even more.

    I am determined to try again and the inspiration from some posters here
    has convinced me that I can do it!

    I will try to post regularly as I am sure that will help.

    Just a quick question for UK posters. I used to find the blocks of
    Philadelphia cream cheese useful in the past. Can't find it on the
    shelves now; it is all in tubs. Is it the same as the blocks used to be?
    If not, where can I buy the blocks?

    Liz

    256/256/140
    2nd Jan 06

  3. Liz J said:

    I had a go at Atkins in the summer of 2004 and found it the most successful
    diet I had tried. Don't know why I stopped but I have put it all back on
    and even more.

    You might find it helpful to figure out
    why you stopped in the first place.
    You're bound to run across those same
    circumstances again.

    Marsha/Ohio

  4. "Marsha" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Liz J said:

    I had a go at Atkins in the summer of 2004 and found it the most
    successful diet I had tried. Don't know why I stopped but I have put it
    all back on and even more.

    You might find it helpful to figure out why you stopped in the first
    place. You're bound to run across those same circumstances again.

    Marsha/Ohio

    I am sure you are right Marsha but I think I would probably need many hours
    with a therapist for that!!

    Liz

  5. "Liz J" <thejordanschangethistoanatsignclara.net> wrote in message You might
    find it helpful >

    Quoted message said:

    I am sure you are right Marsha but I think I would probably need many
    hours with a therapist for that!!

    Liz

    🙂
    WELCOME!
    daily reading and posting is a great idea, and helps many of us!
    rosie

  6. In article <[email hidden]>, "Liz J"
    <thejordanschangethistoanatsignclara.net> says...

    Quoted message said:

    Hi

    I had a go at Atkins in the summer of 2004 and found it the most successful
    diet I had tried. Don't know why I stopped but I have put it all back on
    and even more.

    Hi Liz, welcome back!

    --
    Saffire
    205/132/125
    Atkins since 6/14/03
    Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333

    *** This post originated in alt.support.diet.low-carb -- its appearance
    in any other forum is deceptive and unauthorized. ***

  7. I'm starting again too. I too found it the most rewarding diet I've ever
    been on. Most energy, least hunger, most pounds lost. This time however,
    I'm not going to stay on it any longer than two months. I don't believe it
    is healthy for your heart. I will do it for up to two months, then I'm
    going to try WW Core Plan.

  8. In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]
    says...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm starting again too. I too found it the most rewarding diet I've ever
    been on. Most energy, least hunger, most pounds lost. This time however,
    I'm not going to stay on it any longer than two months. I don't believe it
    is healthy for your heart. I will do it for up to two months, then I'm
    going to try WW Core Plan.

    Can we ask why you think it is not heart healthy? Remember, Dr Atkins
    was a successful cardiologist.

    My cholesterol dropped 60 points in 90 days, my Triglycerides dropped
    600 points in the same 90 days. It is not 2 years later and both are
    doing Wonderful still. My Dr is Amazed to say the least. Being Type II
    diabetic also, my A1c readings dropped from a wopping 10.9% to 4.7% and
    are still looking great. Not to mention weight loss.

  9. "Curt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]
    says...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm starting again too. I too found it the most rewarding diet I've ever
    been on. Most energy, least hunger, most pounds lost. This time
    however,
    I'm not going to stay on it any longer than two months. I don't believe
    it
    is healthy for your heart. I will do it for up to two months, then I'm
    going to try WW Core Plan.

    Can we ask why you think it is not heart healthy? Remember, Dr Atkins
    was a successful cardiologist.

    My cholesterol dropped 60 points in 90 days, my Triglycerides dropped
    600 points in the same 90 days. It is not 2 years later and both are
    doing Wonderful still. My Dr is Amazed to say the least. Being Type II
    diabetic also, my A1c readings dropped from a wopping 10.9% to 4.7% and
    are still looking great. Not to mention weight loss.

    My statement is based on eating so much meat. That (I believe) was found to
    clog arteries and cause heart disease. Of course though, when I do Atkins I
    do it staying more on Induction long-term, I have better success with it
    that way. And eating all the meat and fat isn't so healthy.

  10. "Curt" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    Can we ask why you think it is not heart healthy? Remember, Dr Atkins
    was a successful cardiologist.

    Also remember that Dr. Atkins died weighing 258 pounds. Should he not have
    known better being a "successful cardiologist"? I'll cite the following
    articles.

    http://www.prevention.com/article/0,,s1-1-75-101-5874-1,00.html

    http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2003/11/21/dieters_say_atkins_damaged_heart/

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4230348

  11. Beth M. said:

    Curt wrote

    Quoted message said:

    Can we ask why you think it is not heart healthy? Remember, Dr Atkins
    was a successful cardiologist.

    Also remember that Dr. Atkins died weighing 258 pounds.

    Bzzzt! Are you duped into this are are you lying?

    When we fell on the ice he weighed very close to 200 and for his height
    that was arguably below ideal for him. The extra pounds were water
    blot associated with a failed brain not fat.

  12. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Beth M. said:

    "Curt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]
    says...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm starting again too. I too found it the most rewarding diet I've ever
    been on. Most energy, least hunger, most pounds lost. This time
    however,
    I'm not going to stay on it any longer than two months. I don't believe
    it
    is healthy for your heart. I will do it for up to two months, then I'm
    going to try WW Core Plan.

    Can we ask why you think it is not heart healthy? Remember, Dr Atkins
    was a successful cardiologist.

    My cholesterol dropped 60 points in 90 days, my Triglycerides dropped
    600 points in the same 90 days. It is not 2 years later and both are
    doing Wonderful still. My Dr is Amazed to say the least. Being Type II
    diabetic also, my A1c readings dropped from a wopping 10.9% to 4.7% and
    are still looking great. Not to mention weight loss.

    My statement is based on eating so much meat. That (I believe) was found to
    clog arteries and cause heart disease. Of course though, when I do Atkins I
    do it staying more on Induction long-term, I have better success with it
    that way. And eating all the meat and fat isn't so healthy.

    What do you mean by staying "more" on Induction? Induction isn't just
    about the carb grams, it's also sticking to a very strict food list. As
    soon as you eat one bite of something that isn't on that list, you're
    not on induction any more, regardless of how few carb grams you eat.

    And all the meat and fat? What do you mean by ALL the meat and fat? I
    mean, yeah, you can eat as much meat and fat as you like, but since
    limiting carbs seems to curb the appetite in most people, it doesn't end
    up being an inordinately large amount of meat or fat, usually.

    And, even if a person did eat a lot of meat and fat, who says that isn't
    healthy? Ok, yeah, I know, a lot of people. But how many of those
    studies showing bad health effects from meat and fat were done with
    people on a low-carb diet, and how many were instead examining diets
    more typical of modern Americans, which generally include lots of
    processed carbs as well as lots of meat and fat? I think it's most
    likely that health researchers have, for decades, looked at the way fat,
    unhealthy people eat, seen the fast food meals of burgers and fries, and
    just assumed it was the burgers causing the problem, because after all
    french fries are made from potatoes and potatoes are vegetables and
    vegetables are good for you, right?

    I just find it a little odd that you yourself have experienced first
    hand that living low-carb, including eating "all" that meat and fat,
    helps you to lose weight and be healthier, yet you continue to spout the
    propaganda of "fat is bad" without critically examining that old wives'
    tale, even though it flies in the face of your own experience. There's
    research saying meat and fat are unhealthy, but there's also research
    saying the opposite, so why don't you trust your own body and your own
    personal experience?

  13. "Beth M." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Curt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]
    says...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm starting again too. I too found it the most rewarding diet I've
    ever
    been on. Most energy, least hunger, most pounds lost. This time
    however,
    I'm not going to stay on it any longer than two months. I don't believe
    it
    is healthy for your heart. I will do it for up to two months, then I'm
    going to try WW Core Plan.

    Can we ask why you think it is not heart healthy? Remember, Dr Atkins
    was a successful cardiologist.

    My cholesterol dropped 60 points in 90 days, my Triglycerides dropped
    600 points in the same 90 days. It is not 2 years later and both are
    doing Wonderful still. My Dr is Amazed to say the least. Being Type II
    diabetic also, my A1c readings dropped from a wopping 10.9% to 4.7% and
    are still looking great. Not to mention weight loss.

    My statement is based on eating so much meat. That (I believe) was found
    to clog arteries and cause heart disease. Of course though, when I do
    Atkins I do it staying more on Induction long-term, I have better success
    with it that way. And eating all the meat and fat isn't so healthy.

    -Sigh-

    If it so unhealthy, why not do low fat or something else?

  14. "Beth M." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Curt" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    Can we ask why you think it is not heart healthy? Remember, Dr Atkins
    was a successful cardiologist.

    Also remember that Dr. Atkins died weighing 258 pounds. Should he not
    have known better being a "successful cardiologist"? I'll cite the
    following articles.

    http://www.prevention.com/article/0,,s1-1-75-101-5874-1,00.html

    http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2003/11/21/dieters_say_atkins_damaged_heart/

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4230348

    I see. Troll.

  15. x-no-archive: yes

    Doug Freyburger said:
    Beth M. said:

    Curt wrote

    Quoted message said:

    Can we ask why you think it is not heart healthy? Remember, Dr Atkins
    was a successful cardiologist.

    Also remember that Dr. Atkins died weighing 258 pounds.

    Bzzzt! Are you duped into this are are you lying?

    When we fell on the ice he weighed very close to 200 and for his height
    that was arguably below ideal for him. The extra pounds were water
    blot associated with a failed brain not fat.

    There's no way he weighed even 200 lbs in the weeks before his fall. In
    photos and on TV he was so thin he almost looked frail, and that's how
    his last interviewer described his appearance.

    Susan

  16. Beth M. said:

    "Curt" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    Can we ask why you think it is not heart healthy? Remember, Dr Atkins
    was a successful cardiologist.

    Also remember that Dr. Atkins died weighing 258 pounds. Should he
    not have
    known better being a "successful cardiologist"? I'll cite the
    following
    articles.

    http://www.prevention.com/article/0,,s1-1-75-101-5874-1,00.html


    http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2003/11/21/dieters_say_atkins_damaged_heart/

    Quoted message said:


    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4230348

    #1 Atkins is NOT a high protein diet as stated in your first cited article.
    Anyone properly following the diet should be eating antioxident rich
    vegetables and taking supplements. If people don't follow the diet properly
    then you really can't blame the diet for problems can you?

    #2 In your second cited article............ ""What I contend is that the
    Atkins diet gave me heart disease," Gorran said at a news conference
    sponsored by the Physician's Committee for Responsible Medicine." The
    Physician's Committee for Responsible Medicine is a front for PETA a
    militant vegetarian group." What a surprise that someone would blame the
    Atkins diet at a news conference sponsored by people promoting a vegetarian
    lifestyle! Also note there was no mention of any medical evidence given
    connecting the Atkins diet to his alleged health problems, just his opinion.

    #3 Again in your second cited article...... "Lisa Huskey tearfully recounted
    how she and her daughter went on the diet together, happy that it allowed
    them to eat all the meat they wanted." Atkins never said anyone could "eat
    all the meat they wanted". You are supposed to eat until satisfied. Even on
    induction you're supposed to eat vegetables. If people don't follow the diet
    properly then you really can't blame the diet for problems can you?

    #4 Your third cited article....... did you actually read the whole thing or
    just the first few sentences? "...Atkins weighed 195 pounds when he was
    admitted after slipping on an icy street and hitting his head." The fact
    that he weighed 258 lbs when he died 8 days later means nothing except that
    his organs were shutting down and he was retaining all the fluids they were
    pumping into him. Oh look! There's the Physician's Committee for Responsible
    Medicine again. [They] "acknowledged that fluid retention may have been
    responsible for some of Atkins' weight gain, but probably not all of it."
    Let's use our heads for a minute ok? The man was in a coma. Do you really
    think the nurses were stuffing steaks down his throat? It makes no sense
    whatsoever that his weight gain was caused by anything but fluid retention.

  17. This article was written by PITA and was total BULL [censored]!

    Yes he was overweight. They pumped him full or fluids to bring up his
    blood pressure. PITA has their own agenda. They did not publish his
    weight when they ADMITTED Dr A to the hospital.....

    In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]
    says...

    Quoted message said:

    "Curt" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    Can we ask why you think it is not heart healthy? Remember, Dr Atkins
    was a successful cardiologist.

    Also remember that Dr. Atkins died weighing 258 pounds. Should he not have
    known better being a "successful cardiologist"? I'll cite the following
    articles.

    http://www.prevention.com/article/0,,s1-1-75-101-5874-1,00.html

    http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2003/11/21/dieters_say_atkins_damaged_heart/

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4230348

  18. First of all. Atkins himself said that not everyone is going to drop their
    cholesterol levels on this diet WOE/WOL and if after 3 months you do not
    have any change for the better, then STOP the diet.

    Second of all, you do not have to eat red meat. You can eat chicken, fish
    or any other lean protein. If you think about it, low carb is a better
    overall diet plan, lean meat, veggies, mono saturated fats, low carbs fruits
    and you gain control of your life.

    Desiree

    "Beth M." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Curt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]
    says...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm starting again too. I too found it the most rewarding diet I've
    ever
    been on. Most energy, least hunger, most pounds lost. This time
    however,
    I'm not going to stay on it any longer than two months. I don't believe
    it
    is healthy for your heart. I will do it for up to two months, then I'm
    going to try WW Core Plan.

    Can we ask why you think it is not heart healthy? Remember, Dr Atkins
    was a successful cardiologist.

    My cholesterol dropped 60 points in 90 days, my Triglycerides dropped
    600 points in the same 90 days. It is not 2 years later and both are
    doing Wonderful still. My Dr is Amazed to say the least. Being Type II
    diabetic also, my A1c readings dropped from a wopping 10.9% to 4.7% and
    are still looking great. Not to mention weight loss.

    My statement is based on eating so much meat. That (I believe) was found
    to clog arteries and cause heart disease. Of course though, when I do
    Atkins I do it staying more on Induction long-term, I have better success
    with it that way. And eating all the meat and fat isn't so healthy.

  19. Luna said:

    And all the meat and fat? What do you mean by ALL the meat and fat? I
    mean, yeah, you can eat as much meat and fat as you like, but since
    limiting carbs seems to curb the appetite in most people, it doesn't end
    up being an inordinately large amount of meat or fat, usually.

    Yeah, I find this to be true.

    I posted an example recently... if eating hamburgers with buns and
    fries, I have no problem scoffing down 8 oz or more of meat. Whereas
    if eating hamburger stir-fried with garlic, ginger and a quarter-head
    of cabbage, 4 oz is more than sufficient. Actually, I stir-fry a whole
    head of cabbage with a pound of hamburger... but this is 4 *large*
    servings for me.

    I really don't think I eat more protein on low-carb.

    Quoted message said:

    I just find it a little odd that you yourself have experienced first
    hand that living low-carb, including eating "all" that meat and fat,
    helps you to lose weight and be healthier, yet you continue to spout the
    propaganda of "fat is bad" without critically examining that old wives'
    tale, even though it flies in the face of your own experience. There's
    research saying meat and fat are unhealthy, but there's also research
    saying the opposite, so why don't you trust your own body and your own
    personal experience?

    I do think I eat a higher percentage of fat, as I like my veggies with
    ranch dressing, oil, butter, mayo or some other fat slathered on. But
    given that we're all, whether low-carb or not, supposed to be eating
    more veggies, it seems fat intake *must* increase.

    I am just not going to eat piles of naked steamed green beans.
    They're not very interesting. But fry them up with some olive oil and
    garlic or top the steamed version with some butter and parmesan and
    I'll eat a bunch of them.

    Similar with an undressed salad - I'm just not interested. But throw a
    couple TB of ranch dressing on it and I can happily chomp through a
    couple cups of radicchio and butterhead..

    I mean, sure you can *make* yourself eat undressed veggies, but that is
    a temporary change, not a permanent one. To really eat veggies for the
    long haul, they have to be yummy.

    I don't think I actually eat more fat on low-carb. It's just a much
    larger percentage of my diet than on high-carb because I eat way fewer
    calories.

    I doubt there is more fat in a serving of cucumbers dipped in fresh
    sour cream than there is in a serving of potato chips, especially given
    what actual real-life servings end up being. The difference is that
    you're eating cucumbers rather than potatoes... much less carb, so a
    higher percentage of calories from fat.

    If you're piling the fat on veggies rather than on potatoes or bread or
    such - I think that's an improvement in diet, regardless of the
    percentage of your diet from fat. The percentage only goes up because
    the amount of your diet from carb goes down, rather than because you're
    eating all that much more fat.

    The whole percentage thing is silly anyways. If you eat 600 calories
    of fat a day, at 1500 calories, that is 40%, but at 3000 calories, it
    is 20%. There is no way the second is "healthier" than the first -
    it's the same amount of fat after all.

  20. What about lean protein? What about mono-fats? What about fiber? You can
    have all these things on LC. And you aren't "doing Atkins" if you stay on
    induction for that long.

    "Beth M." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "Curt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]
    says...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm starting again too. I too found it the most rewarding diet I've
    ever
    been on. Most energy, least hunger, most pounds lost. This time
    however,
    I'm not going to stay on it any longer than two months. I don't believe
    it
    is healthy for your heart. I will do it for up to two months, then I'm
    going to try WW Core Plan.

    Can we ask why you think it is not heart healthy? Remember, Dr Atkins
    was a successful cardiologist.

    My cholesterol dropped 60 points in 90 days, my Triglycerides dropped
    600 points in the same 90 days. It is not 2 years later and both are
    doing Wonderful still. My Dr is Amazed to say the least. Being Type II
    diabetic also, my A1c readings dropped from a wopping 10.9% to 4.7% and
    are still looking great. Not to mention weight loss.

    My statement is based on eating so much meat. That (I believe) was found
    to clog arteries and cause heart disease. Of course though, when I do
    Atkins I do it staying more on Induction long-term, I have better success
    with it that way. And eating all the meat and fat isn't so healthy.

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