I'm having no luck at all...

Splat Graphics" <splatgraphics@"NOSPAM wrote: <snip> ...!!*!
U &*!! that back tire is flat... the hutchenson's let

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me down again, in mud.....in two days.......

I thought that you blew out that rear Hutchy tyre and were
waiting for the Motoraptors? Did you get another Hutchy to
replace the busted one?
--
Westie (Replace 'invalid' with 'yahoo' when replying.)

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Today I woke up and decided to clean my bike 🙂 It's
been a whole 24

hrs

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since I did it last 🙂 I clean it and get out on the
street and decide to ride it around the

block.

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1 hour later i find my self at High park here in TO.. Cool
trails, i'm really careful to watch my lines and not run
over anthing that looks

sharp.

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i'm thinking, hey i'm having fun, the ground is semi dry
and these tire

are

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holding ok. I get to an up hill and drop to the low gear
and ride up effortlessly 🙂 I'm laying into the gear and
30 ft from the top. 🙂 the back wheel slipped...🙁 ok not
bad i get it back and finish the hill. Awesome hill....
hey what's that sound.....!!*! U &*!! that back tire is
flat... the hutchenson's let me down again, in mud.....in
two days.......

As i walked back to a near by LBS i swore at the tire
again. I have

now

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got a new WTB Motoraptor 2.4 🙂 and it looks awesome. It
adds weight to

the

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bike and i only have one one sofar.

The bike performs incredablely. it's too bad that the
tires suck. Now i have the correct tires on it i'll be
writing a review on MTBR in a couple weeks.

Have a good ride folks 🙂 CS VT2

Not sure I'm following this story correctly. You get a flat
and it's the tires fault? Did the tube stay inflated and
just the tire went flat?

--
DTW .../\.../\.../\...

I've spent most of my money on mountain biking and windsurfing.
The rest I've just wasted.

On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 18:16:52 -0500, "Splat Graphics"

splatgraphics@'NOSPAM'sympatico.ca said:

The bike performs incredablely.

Is it the bike or is it you?

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it's too bad that the tires suck.

Is it the bike or is it you?

Peace, Bill The mind serves properly as a window glass
rather than as a reflector, that is, the mind should give an
immediate view instead of an interpretation of the world.
:-]

The rear tire had a tear in it, that's when I ordered the
WTB's. I was to ride the hutchy till it came next week. Well
I didn't have wait till next week for the rear.

CS

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Splat Graphics" <splatgraphics@"NOSPAM wrote: <snip>
...!!*! U &*!! that back tire is flat... the
hutchenson's let

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me down again, in mud.....in two days.......

I thought that you blew out that rear Hutchy tyre and were
waiting for the Motoraptors? Did you get another Hutchy to
replace the busted one?
--
Westie (Replace 'invalid' with 'yahoo' when replying.)

The tube got a puncture due to the hutchy tearing again.
I had a 1" tear in the tread from a ride 2 days b4. I
wasn't on a technical trail it was gravel/mub going up a
steep hill.

CS

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Today I woke up and decided to clean my bike 🙂 It's
been a whole 24

hrs

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since I did it last 🙂 I clean it and get out on the
street and decide to ride it around the

block.

Quoted message said:

1 hour later i find my self at High park here in TO..
Cool trails, i'm really careful to watch my lines and
not run over anthing that looks

sharp.

Quoted message said:

i'm thinking, hey i'm having fun, the ground is semi dry
and these tire

are

Quoted message said:

holding ok. I get to an up hill and drop to the low gear
and ride up effortlessly 🙂 I'm laying into the gear and
30 ft from the top. 🙂 the back wheel slipped...🙁 ok
not bad i get it back and finish the hill. Awesome
hill.... hey what's that sound.....!!*! U &*!! that back
tire is flat... the hutchenson's let me down again, in
mud.....in two

days.......

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

As i walked back to a near by LBS i swore at the
tire again. I have

now

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got a new WTB Motoraptor 2.4 🙂 and it looks awesome. It
adds weight to

the

Quoted message said:

bike and i only have one one sofar.

The bike performs incredablely. it's too bad that
the tires suck. Now i have the correct tires on it
i'll be writing a review on MTBR in a couple weeks.

Have a good ride folks 🙂 CS VT2

Not sure I'm following this story correctly. You get a
flat and it's the tires fault? Did the tube stay inflated
and just the tire went flat?

--
DTW .../\.../\.../\...

I've spent most of my money on mountain biking and
windsurfing. The rest I've just wasted.

Splat Graphics' splatgraphics@'NOSPAM said:

The rear tire had a tear in it, that's when I ordered the
WTB's. I was to ride the hutchy till it came next week.
Well I didn't have wait till next week for the rear.

Oh. Let me get this straight. I'm confused. The rear
Hutchinson tyre split and you got a flat tyre. You ordered
new tyres that arrive next week. You fix the puncture but
continue to ride with a split in the rear tyre. Next thing
you know you have another flat rear tyre. If you were riding
a tyre that had a split in it what did you expect? :-)
--
Westie (Replace 'invalid' with 'yahoo' when replying.)

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Splat Graphics' splatgraphics@'NOSPAM said:

The rear tire had a tear in it, that's when I
ordered the WTB's. I was to ride the hutchy till it
came next week. Well I didn't have wait till next
week for the rear.

Oh. Let me get this straight. I'm confused. The rear
Hutchinson tyre split and you got a flat tyre. You ordered
new tyres that arrive next week. You fix the puncture but
continue to ride

with

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a split in the rear tyre. Next thing you know you have
another flat rear tyre. If you were riding a tyre that had
a split in it what did you expect? :-)
--
Westie (Replace 'invalid' with 'yahoo' when replying.)

depends on the size of the split. my rear tire (Kenda POS)
has a 3/4" split that the tube pokes out with road pressure
(little under max for tire, about
50) but is alright with trail pressure (30, or so). luckily
I have a pair of POS no-name tires kicking around,
though I am thinking of checking the tires on an ancient
dead bike of mine to see if the tires are the same size,
and crack-free. the tires would be [censored]-poor for trail
as they have no tread, but great for road use.

I wonder, would it work to use a tube patch on the inside of
a tire, then use a heatgun to semi-vulcanize the patch to
the tire? just a passing thought...

~Travis

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On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 18:16:52 -0500, "Splat Graphics"

splatgraphics@'NOSPAM'sympatico.ca said:

The bike performs incredablely.

Is it the bike or is it you?

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it's too bad that the tires suck.

Is it the bike or is it you?

that's what I wonder whenever I read a magazine bike
part review.

~Travis

Merlin said:

"Westie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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If you were riding a tyre that had a split in it what did
you expect? :-) -- Westie (Replace 'invalid' with 'yahoo'
when replying.)

depends on the size of the split. my rear tire (Kenda POS)
has a 3/4" split that the tube pokes out with road
pressure (little under max for tire, about 50) but is
alright with trail pressure (30, or so). luckily I have a
pair of POS no-name tires kicking around, though I am
thinking of checking the tires on an ancient dead bike of
mine to see if the tires are the same size, and crack-
free. the tires would be [censored]-poor for trail as they have
no tread, but great for road use.

I wonder, would it work to use a tube patch on the inside
of a tire, then use a heatgun to semi-vulcanize the patch
to the tire? just a passing thought...

Patches don't stick very well to a tyre, AFAIR. The bottom
line is that a tube is gonna come out if it can and the more
flexing and pressure that is put on it (like incurred during
trail riding versus road riding) is only gonna make it more
likely. Kinda like stuffing a too tight shirt into your
pants - fine while you're standing looking at it in the
dressing mirror but the moment you walk outside your gut is
gonna push through... ;-))

BTW, as you probably know, patches and pieces of old tube or
tyre wall over the inside of the split are a fairly common
emergency just-to-get-me-home trailside repair. I've even
used a couple of zip ties around the outside of the entire
rim and tyre once.
--
Westie (Replace 'invalid' with 'yahoo' when replying.)

"Splat Graphics" <splatgraphics@"NOSPAM"sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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Today I woke up and decided to clean my bike 🙂 It's
been a whole 24

hrs

Quoted message said:

since I did it last 🙂 I clean it and get out on the
street and decide to ride it around the

block.

Quoted message said:

1 hour later i find my self at High park here in TO.. Cool
trails, i'm really careful to watch my lines and not run
over anthing that looks

sharp.

Quoted message said:

i'm thinking, hey i'm having fun, the ground is semi dry
and these tire

are

Quoted message said:

holding ok. I get to an up hill and drop to the low gear
and ride up effortlessly 🙂 I'm laying into the gear and
30 ft from the top. 🙂 the back wheel slipped...🙁 ok not
bad i get it back and finish the hill. Awesome hill....
hey what's that sound.....!!*! U &*!! that back tire is
flat... the hutchenson's let me down again, in mud.....in
two days.......

Dude, its illegal to ride in High Park, there is a city by-
law. Please follow the law. Don't destroy the park, let the
hikers and dog walkers keep it for themselves. Don't give
mountainbikers a bad image.

- CA-G

Can-Am Girls Kick Ass!

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Merlin said:

"Westie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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If you were riding a tyre that had a split in it what
did you expect? :-) -- Westie (Replace 'invalid' with
'yahoo' when replying.)

depends on the size of the split. my rear tire (Kenda
POS) has a 3/4" split that the tube pokes out with road
pressure (little under max for tire, about 50) but is
alright with trail pressure (30, or so). luckily I have
a pair of POS no-name tires kicking around, though I am
thinking of checking the tires on an ancient dead bike
of mine to see if the tires are the same size, and crack-
free. the tires would be [censored]-poor for trail as they
have no tread, but great for road use.

I wonder, would it work to use a tube patch on the
inside of a tire, then use a heatgun to semi-vulcanize
the patch to the tire? just a passing thought...

Patches don't stick very well to a tyre, AFAIR. The bottom
line is that a tube is gonna come out if it can and the
more flexing and pressure that is put on it (like incurred
during trail riding versus road riding) is only gonna make
it more likely. Kinda like stuffing a too tight shirt into

your

Quoted message said:

pants - fine while you're standing looking at it in the
dressing mirror

but

Quoted message said:

the moment you walk outside your gut is gonna push
through... ;-))

BTW, as you probably know, patches and pieces of old tube
or tyre wall

over

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the inside of the split are a fairly common emergency just-to-get-me-
home trailside repair. I've even used a couple of zip ties
around the outside

of

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the entire rim and tyre once.

I repaired a tyre that was perfect apart from a tear, caused
by a broken bottle. I used ordinary cross-weave cotton
cloth, glue soaked, and laminated it, criss-cross. I put a
patch on the outside. That tyre an perfectly until the tread
went, about 3 years.

HTH someone!

Shaun aRe

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Merlin said:

"Westie" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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> If you were riding a tyre that had a split in it what
> did you expect? :-) -- Westie (Replace 'invalid' with
> 'yahoo' when replying.)
>
>

depends on the size of the split. my rear tire (Kenda
POS) has a 3/4" split that the tube pokes out with
road pressure (little under max for tire, about 50)
but is alright with trail pressure (30, or so).
luckily I have a pair of POS no-name tires kicking
around, though I am thinking of checking the tires on
an ancient dead bike of mine to see if the tires are
the same size, and crack-free. the tires would be [censored]-
poor for trail as they have no tread, but great for
road use.

I wonder, would it work to use a tube patch on the
inside of a tire, then use a heatgun to semi-vulcanize
the patch to the tire? just a passing thought...

Patches don't stick very well to a tyre, AFAIR. The
bottom line is that

a

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

tube is gonna come out if it can and the more flexing
and pressure that

is

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

put on it (like incurred during trail riding versus road
riding) is only gonna make it more likely. Kinda like
stuffing a too tight shirt into

your

Quoted message said:

pants - fine while you're standing looking at it in the
dressing mirror

but

Quoted message said:

the moment you walk outside your gut is gonna push
through... ;-))

BTW, as you probably know, patches and pieces of old
tube or tyre wall

over

Quoted message said:

the inside of the split are a fairly common emergency

just-to-get-me-home

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Quoted message said:

trailside repair. I've even used a couple of zip ties
around the

outside

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of

Quoted message said:

the entire rim and tyre once.

I repaired a tyre that was perfect apart from a tear,
caused by a broken bottle. I used ordinary cross-weave
cotton cloth, glue soaked, and

laminated

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it, criss-cross. I put a patch on the outside. That tyre
an perfectly

until

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the tread went, about 3 years.

patch glue, or something else?

my tear is small, so it would be nice to get a few more
miles out of the tires.

~Travis

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Merlin wrote:
> "Westie" <[email hidden]> wrote in
> message
>> If you were riding a tyre that had a split in it
>> what did you expect? :-) -- Westie (Replace
>> 'invalid' with 'yahoo' when replying.)
>>
>>
>
> depends on the size of the split. my rear tire
> (Kenda POS) has a

3/4"

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> split that the tube pokes out with road pressure
> (little under max for tire, about 50) but is alright
> with trail pressure (30, or so). luckily I have a
> pair of POS no-name tires kicking around, though I
> am thinking of checking the tires on an ancient dead
> bike of mine to see if the tires are the same size,
> and crack-free. the tires would be [censored]-poor for
> trail as they have no tread, but great for road

use.

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>
> I wonder, would it work to use a tube patch on the
> inside of a tire, then use a heatgun to semi-
> vulcanize the patch to the tire? just a passing
> thought...

Patches don't stick very well to a tyre, AFAIR. The
bottom line is

that

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a

Quoted message said:

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tube is gonna come out if it can and the more flexing
and pressure

that

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is

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put on it (like incurred during trail riding versus
road riding) is

only

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gonna make it more likely. Kinda like stuffing a too
tight shirt into

your

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pants - fine while you're standing looking at it in
the dressing

mirror

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

but

Quoted message said:

the moment you walk outside your gut is gonna push
through... ;-))

BTW, as you probably know, patches and pieces of old
tube or tyre

wall

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

over

Quoted message said:

the inside of the split are a fairly common emergency

just-to-get-me-home

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Quoted message said:

trailside repair. I've even used a couple of zip ties
around the

outside

Quoted message said:

of

Quoted message said:

the entire rim and tyre once.

I repaired a tyre that was perfect apart from a tear,
caused by a broken bottle. I used ordinary cross-weave
cotton cloth, glue soaked, and

laminated

Quoted message said:

it, criss-cross. I put a patch on the outside. That tyre
an perfectly

until

Quoted message said:

the tread went, about 3 years.

patch glue, or something else?

my tear is small, so it would be nice to get a few more
miles out of the tires.

I posted about this before, some time ago - I soaked strips
of this cloth ('flat' cotton sheet is what I used) min
vulcanising rubber solution and let it dry. Then I put one
strip at a time over the tear, same way you would patch a
tube. First strip with weave across the tear, next strip
with weave at 90 deg. to first and so on, 4 layers. I then
used a large, non-feathered tube patch on the outside of the
tyre, over 1 small strip of cotton cloth. Clamped the lot in
a bench vice and left for an hour or so.

I thoroughly sanded the tyre surfaces before applying any
material, the smooth surface and any residual mould release
would have made my efforts worthless otherwise.

The tear itself was about 4 or 5 cm long, sidewall was
fairly thin.

Basically, all I did, was to 'look' in my mind's eye at the
construction of a tyre, and apply that to the repair.
Couldn't be more simple.

HTH, Trav.

Shaun aRe

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> Merlin wrote:
> > "Westie" <[email hidden]> wrote in
> > message
> >> If you were riding a tyre that had a split in it
> >> what did you expect? :-) -- Westie (Replace
> >> 'invalid' with 'yahoo' when replying.)
> >>
> >>
> >
> > depends on the size of the split. my rear tire
> > (Kenda POS) has a

3/4"

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> > split that the tube pokes out with road pressure
> > (little under max for tire, about 50) but is
> > alright with trail pressure (30, or

so).

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> > luckily I have a pair of POS no-name tires kicking
> > around, though

I

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> > am thinking of checking the tires on an ancient
> > dead bike of mine

to

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> > see if the tires are the same size, and crack-
> > free. the tires

would

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> > be [censored]-poor for trail as they have no tread, but
> > great for road

use.

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> >
> > I wonder, would it work to use a tube patch on the
> > inside of a

tire,

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> > then use a heatgun to semi-vulcanize the patch to
> > the tire? just a passing thought...
>
> Patches don't stick very well to a tyre, AFAIR. The
> bottom line is

that

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a

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> tube is gonna come out if it can and the more
> flexing and pressure

that

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is

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> put on it (like incurred during trail riding versus
> road riding) is

only

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> gonna make it more likely. Kinda like stuffing a too
> tight shirt

into

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your
> pants - fine while you're standing looking at it in
> the dressing

mirror

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but
> the moment you walk outside your gut is gonna push
> through... ;-))
>
> BTW, as you probably know, patches and pieces of old
> tube or tyre

wall

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over
> the inside of the split are a fairly common
> emergency

just-to-get-me-home

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> trailside repair. I've even used a couple of zip
> ties around the

outside

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of
> the entire rim and tyre once.

I repaired a tyre that was perfect apart from a tear,
caused by a

broken

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

bottle. I used ordinary cross-weave cotton cloth, glue
soaked, and

laminated

Quoted message said:

it, criss-cross. I put a patch on the outside. That
tyre an perfectly

until

Quoted message said:

the tread went, about 3 years.

patch glue, or something else?

my tear is small, so it would be nice to get a few more
miles out of the tires.

I posted about this before, some time ago - I soaked
strips of this cloth ('flat' cotton sheet is what I used)
min vulcanising rubber solution and

let

Quoted message said:

it dry. Then I put one strip at a time over the tear, same
way you would patch a tube. First strip with weave across
the tear, next strip with

weave

Quoted message said:

at 90 deg. to first and so on, 4 layers. I then used
a large,

non-feathered

Quoted message said:

tube patch on the outside of the tyre, over 1 small strip
of cotton cloth. Clamped the lot in a bench vice and left
for an hour or so.

I thoroughly sanded the tyre surfaces before applying any
material, the smooth surface and any residual mould
release would have made my efforts worthless otherwise.

The tear itself was about 4 or 5 cm long, sidewall was
fairly thin.

Basically, all I did, was to 'look' in my mind's eye at
the construction

of

Quoted message said:

a tyre, and apply that to the repair. Couldn't be
more simple.

HTH, Trav.

I take it then that your tear was on the sidewall then. mine
is about a cm in from the tread border. it is only about 2 -
3 cm long, and parallel to the tire, so maybe I can get away
with just the strips inside. I just have to find some
"vulcanising rubber solution". sounds like either rubber
cement or contact cement. the later is applied when dry,
though would require painting the inside of the tire around
the patch too. not sure how flexible contact cement is, but
I think it is the same stuff used in glue patches (same
general markup AFAIK).

assuming contact cement is what we are talking about. did
you do anything to "contaminate" the glue surface after the
application was complete so the tube wouldn't stick? I was
thinking a light sprinkle of baby-powder like I normally use
in the tires.

if we are thinking the same thing as far as glue, I should
be able to figure something out based on that.

~Travis

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I take it then that your tear was on the sidewall then.

yes.

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mine is about a cm in from the tread border. it is only
about 2 - 3 cm long, and parallel to the tire, so maybe I
can get away with just the strips inside. I just have to
find some "vulcanising rubber solution". sounds like
either rubber

cement

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or contact cement. the later is applied when dry, though
would require painting the inside of the tire around the
patch too. not sure how

flexible

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contact cement is, but I think it is the same stuff used
in glue patches (same general markup AFAIK).

Patch glue = vulcanising rubber solution, it's the same
stuff, basically, rubber dissolved in a solvent base.

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assuming contact cement is what we are talking about. did
you do anything

to

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"contaminate" the glue surface after the application
was complete so the tube wouldn't stick? I was thinking
a light sprinkle of baby-powder like I normally use in
the tires.

Of course I did, I covered it with another thin layer of
glue, then rubber chalk powder into that. Added more when it
was dry, too. No problem with the tube bonding to the tyre.

In your case, I'd be tempted to use some superglue in the
split, from the outside as well as the cloth/glue on the
inside, to keep it together, IYSWIM.

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if we are thinking the same thing as far as glue, I should
be able to

figure

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something out based on that.

Rubber cement, the stuff you get with the patch kit. Use
plenty on the cloth and let it dry in, then use more when
layering. Not as much trouble as it may sound, especially
when you consider how much cheaper it is than a new tyre.

Shaun aRe

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I take it then that your tear was on the sidewall then.

yes.

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mine is about a cm in from the tread border. it is only
about 2 - 3 cm long, and parallel

to

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the tire, so maybe I can get away with just the strips
inside. I just

have

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to find some "vulcanising rubber solution". sounds like
either rubber

cement

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or contact cement. the later is applied when dry, though
would require painting the inside of the tire around the
patch too. not sure how

flexible

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contact cement is, but I think it is the same stuff used
in glue patches (same general markup AFAIK).

Patch glue = vulcanising rubber solution, it's the same
stuff, basically, rubber dissolved in a solvent base.

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assuming contact cement is what we are talking about.
did you do

anything

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to

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"contaminate" the glue surface after the application was
complete so the tube wouldn't stick? I was thinking a
light sprinkle of baby-powder like

I

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normally use in the tires.

Of course I did, I covered it with another thin layer of
glue, then rubber chalk powder into that. Added more when
it was dry, too. No problem with

the

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tube bonding to the tyre.

In your case, I'd be tempted to use some superglue in the
split, from the outside as well as the cloth/glue on the
inside, to keep it together, IYSWIM.

I think I get the idea. bond the internal fibers in the tire
for added strength. then back it with material to support
the "wound".

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if we are thinking the same thing as far as glue, I
should be able to

figure

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something out based on that.

Rubber cement, the stuff you get with the patch kit. Use
plenty on the

cloth

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and let it dry in, then use more when layering. Not as
much trouble as it may sound, especially when you consider
how much cheaper it is than a new tyre.

I see now. I may not be as swift as most, but the gears do
eventually get turning. ;-) and I agree that it is cheaper
than new tires. a tube of rubber cement can be had for a
tiny fraction of the cost of tires, and fabric is real easy
to come by.

Thanks

~Travis

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I take it then that your tear was on the sidewall
then.

yes.

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mine is about a cm in from the tread border. it is
only about 2 - 3 cm long, and parallel

to

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the tire, so maybe I can get away with just the strips
inside. I just

have

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

to find some "vulcanising rubber solution". sounds
like either rubber

cement

Quoted message said:

or contact cement. the later is applied when dry,
though would require painting the inside of the tire
around the patch too. not sure how

flexible

Quoted message said:

contact cement is, but I think it is the same stuff
used in glue

patches

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(same general markup AFAIK).

Patch glue = vulcanising rubber solution, it's the same
stuff,

basically,

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rubber dissolved in a solvent base.

Quoted message said:

assuming contact cement is what we are talking about.
did you do

anything

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to

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"contaminate" the glue surface after the application
was complete so

the

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tube wouldn't stick? I was thinking a light sprinkle
of baby-powder

like

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I

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normally use in the tires.

Of course I did, I covered it with another thin layer of
glue, then

rubber

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

chalk powder into that. Added more when it was dry, too.
No problem with

the

Quoted message said:

tube bonding to the tyre.

In your case, I'd be tempted to use some superglue in
the split, from

the

Quoted message said:

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outside as well as the cloth/glue on the inside, to keep
it together, IYSWIM.

I think I get the idea. bond the internal fibers in the
tire for added strength. then back it with material to
support the "wound".

Superglue sticks clean rubber very well, and if you're not
relying on it for the main bond, the fact it might crack
with flexing is less of a problem - it's in a supporting
role only, and helping to keep grit out.

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if we are thinking the same thing as far as glue, I
should be able to

figure

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something out based on that.

Rubber cement, the stuff you get with the patch kit. Use
plenty on the

cloth

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and let it dry in, then use more when layering. Not as
much trouble as

it

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may sound, especially when you consider how much cheaper
it is than a

new

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tyre.

I see now. I may not be as swift as most, but the gears
do eventually get turning. ;-) and I agree that it is
cheaper than new tires. a tube of rubber cement can be
had for a tiny fraction of the cost of tires, and fabric
is real easy

to

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come by.

Thanks

Yer welcome.

Shaun aRe - "I know 'some' stuff."