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On Sun, 23 May 2004 20:31:34 +0100, "Nathaniel Porter"
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All I'm saying is having a rational well planned
motorway network has

other

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benefits and is overall beneficial IMHO. It's just we
don't have a well planned motorway network in this
country, and we do suffer for it (and

not

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just in terms of congestion).

The M25 was, in these terms, a tolerably good idea. A
big f---off bypass round the UK's capital of congestion.
The only problem is, it was instantly subverted by lots
of people who decided that it meant they could move out
to the 'burbs and still get to the office by car...

That is of course entirely true.

That is because of the excessively large number of junctions
on it. If it had intersected only at major motorways (M1,
M3, M4 etc), then it would only have acted as a london
bypass and not attracted additional housing and
industrial/business estates and local commute traffic (where
'local' is a relative term!)

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In article <[email hidden]>,

Peter Clinch said:

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Had Williams been allowed to race it, the credibility of
CVT would have hugely increased, as it would have blown
the rest of the field into the weeds.

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Great shame.

Not entirely unlike the situation with the UCI and
anything resembling development of the bicycle :-(

Exactly. There needs to be a top-line competition with
pretty well unlimited (safety aside) rules, in all vehicle
sports, so that the boundaries can be pushed. F1 has backed
itself into a corner, as there is no benefit to cars in
general to ultra high rev short-stroke engines, especially
when the rules ban non-circular pistons, more than five
valves and several other interesting technologies.

The situation in cycling is even more ludicrous. Not only do
the UCI forbid anything that wouldn't have been recognised
as mainstream on the first Tour de France, they also forbid
modern materials which drop the weight below 11lbs or
whatever the limit is (``Legalise my Cannondale!''😉, shapes
of handlebars that Jacques and Eddie didn't use and a bunch
of other stuff.

ian

In article <[email hidden]>,

Nathaniel Porter said:

Additionally, there is the additional point that motor
racing is a test of driving skill - and I for one consider
part of that skill to be changing gears manually. But then
I'm a luddite when it comes to the technology vs driver
debate in motorsport :-)

Do you believe they should return to the days of the manual
advance/[censored] lever?

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Another technology that was banned in F1 would would have
made a positive impact on the public highway is the electro-
hybrid car. McLaren had started

Exactly. F1 is becoming an increasing irrelevence to car
engineering, whereas you can trace things done by
Cooper, Chapman, Costain and Duckworth into modern
production car practice.

ian

James Hodson said:

Call me an old DM-reading reactionary if you wish, but
I've always (OK, mostly) believed that
driving/cycling/whatever and being able to stop within
one's sight is a pretty reasonably idea.

<pedant> Being able to stop within *half* one's sight is
also pretty handy, just in case you meet someone coming the
other way... ;-)

R.

Ian G Batten said:

Exactly. There needs to be a top-line competition with
pretty well unlimited (safety aside) rules, in all vehicle
sports, so that the boundaries can be pushed. F1 has
backed itself into a corner, as there is no benefit to
cars in general to ultra high rev short-stroke engines,
especially when the rules ban non-circular pistons, more
than five valves and several other interesting
technologies.

The situation in cycling is even more ludicrous. Not only
do the UCI forbid anything that wouldn't have been
recognised as mainstream on the first Tour de France, they
also forbid modern materials which drop the weight below
11lbs or whatever the limit is (``Legalise my
Cannondale!''😉, shapes of handlebars that Jacques and
Eddie didn't use and a bunch of other stuff.

ian

Its not about the bike.

Theres nothing stopping the HPV association putting on and
organising its own races and events which they do. They are
just not that popular, oh yeah the Illuminati at the UCI
will close it down in shadow ops, like they did with MTB's.

Ian G Batten said:

The situation in cycling is even more ludicrous. Not only
do the UCI forbid anything that wouldn't have been
recognised as mainstream on the first Tour de France, they
also forbid modern materials which drop the weight below
11lbs or whatever the limit is (``Legalise my
Cannondale!''😉, shapes of handlebars that Jacques and
Eddie didn't use and a bunch of other stuff.

Just as well the safety bicycle was established before UCI
came along or Lance would be riding an Ordinary.

Luddites.

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Tumbleweed said:

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That is because of the excessively large number of
junctions on it. If it had intersected only at major
motorways (M1, M3, M4 etc), then it would only have acted
as a london bypass

Do you not feel that this goes for all UK motorways? In
France, autoroutes don't go particularly near towns - you
have to drive out to them and their junctions are
infrequent. Consequently, it appears that they are used for
the major hauls acroos the country, not for skipping from
town to town.

From where I live, there are three junctions on the M27 that
are within 4 or 5 miles. Many of my neighbours use the
motorway depending on which bit of Southampton they want to
park in, and it's only 7 miles away.
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Al

On Wed, 26 May 2004 10:20:22 +0100, Al C-F
<[email hidden]> wrote (more or
less):

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Tumbleweed said:

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That is because of the excessively large number of
junctions on it. If it had intersected only at major
motorways (M1, M3, M4 etc), then it would only have acted
as a london bypass

Do you not feel that this goes for all UK motorways? In
France, autoroutes don't go particularly near towns - you
have to drive out to them and their junctions are
infrequent.

Of course, comparing France to England in this matter is
difficult, as France is a larger country and considerably
more sparsely populated.

It is possible therefore to route motorways there further
away from towns.

In Englnd however, there are often towns built-up to both
sides of a motorway.

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Consequently, it appears that they are used for the
major hauls acroos the country, not for skipping from
town to town.

From where I live, there are three junctions on the M27
that are within 4 or 5 miles. Many of my neighbours use the
motorway depending on which bit of Southampton they want to
park in, and it's only 7 miles away.

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Just zis Guy, you know? [email hidden] opined
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Just as well the safety bicycle was established before UCI
came along or Lance would be riding an Ordinary.

But I bet he'd still be bloody good at going up hills!

Jon

On Wed, 26 May 2004 18:36:24 +0100, Jon Senior

jon_AT_restlesslemon_DOTco_DOT_uk said:

Just zis Guy, you know? [email hidden] opined
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Just as well the safety bicycle was established before
UCI came along or Lance would be riding an Ordinary.

But I bet he'd still be bloody good at going up hills!

Talking about Ordinaries, last night I was orienteering on
the Town Moor in Newcastle and as I ran across the moor a
guy on an Ordinary pedalled past on one of the paths.

Colin

Colin Blackburn said:

Talking about Ordinaries, last night I was orienteering on
the Town Moor in Newcastle and as I ran across the moor a
guy on an Ordinary pedalled past on one of the paths.

Are you sure it wasn't a Coker with a training wheel? ;-)

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