I Larried my 1500 pull today...

Wolf J. Flywheel said:

Short course. I think I miscounted by a 50. I'm pretty sure I did. I was
passing one of those swimmers who speeds up when he sees you trying to
pass him, and I lost concentration on the count. And it was in the
dangerous first half of the the third 500, no man's land.

Still, if we assume I counted right, then my time was about the same as
for my deep arm pull. If we assume I went an extra 50, then my Larry
stroke is 30-40 seconds faster for a 1500.

My observations:

1. I haven't been able to reach out as far yet; don't know why, but
something to do with the hand position.

2. It feels faster until I start to tire.

3. My turnover feels faster, but I was doing about one stroke less per
length (25 meters).

4. Toward the end I was breathing harder than normal, and I had that
mildly nausious feeling one gets after a long race. Is this due to
emphasizing use of red muscle fibers?

5. I was able to hold the pull buoy better. I mean, I usually have to
adjust it about every four or five hundred, but this time I only had to
adjust once a little over half way through. I assume this means I am
swiming my hips less.

That should be "swinging my hips less."

Quoted message said:

Obviously not a scientific test, but I will be trying this again.

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Quoted message said:

4. Toward the end I was breathing harder than normal, and I had that
mildly nausious feeling one gets after a long race. Is this due to
emphasizing use of red muscle fibers?

No.

"Red" fibres are either slow oxidative or fast oxidative-glycolytic.
Studuies have shown lower lactate production in these than in the fast
glycolytic ("white"😉 fibres.

Any basic text on exercise physiology will have all the infomation you lack.

Wolf J. Flywheel said:

Wolf J. Flywheel said:

Short course. I think I miscounted by a 50. I'm pretty sure I did. I
was passing one of those swimmers who speeds up when he sees you
trying to pass him, and I lost concentration on the count. And it was
in the dangerous first half of the the third 500, no man's land.

Still, if we assume I counted right, then my time was about the same
as for my deep arm pull. If we assume I went an extra 50, then my
Larry stroke is 30-40 seconds faster for a 1500.

My observations:

1. I haven't been able to reach out as far yet; don't know why, but
something to do with the hand position.

2. It feels faster until I start to tire.

3. My turnover feels faster, but I was doing about one stroke less per
length (25 meters).

4. Toward the end I was breathing harder than normal, and I had that
mildly nausious feeling one gets after a long race. Is this due to
emphasizing use of red muscle fibers?

The nausea might be caused by a lack of magnesium, which would make
sense given that I often gwet a cramp in my calf at night. Maybe red
fibers require more magnesium.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

5. I was able to hold the pull buoy better. I mean, I usually have to
adjust it about every four or five hundred, but this time I only had
to adjust once a little over half way through. I assume this means I
am swiming my hips less.

That should be "swinging my hips less."

Quoted message said:

Obviously not a scientific test, but I will be trying this again.

Wolf J. Flywheel said:

Wolf J. Flywheel said:

Wolf J. Flywheel said:

Short course. I think I miscounted by a 50. I'm pretty sure I did. I
was passing one of those swimmers who speeds up when he sees you
trying to pass him, and I lost concentration on the count. And it was
in the dangerous first half of the the third 500, no man's land.

Still, if we assume I counted right, then my time was about the same
as for my deep arm pull. If we assume I went an extra 50, then my
Larry stroke is 30-40 seconds faster for a 1500.

I counted right today, and my time was indeed 30-40 seconds faster.
This isn't enough data, of course, but it does appear that my biceps
crawl might be about one second faster per 50 over a 1500 short
course.

But I note that my bicaeps crawl begins to degrade at about the
halfway mark. I feel like I am struggling to maintain the stroke. I
suspect that a better strategy for me will be to swim the first half
with biceps crawl and then switch to my norma,l deep pull, shoulder
crawl. I will be trying this variation soon.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

But I note that my bicaeps crawl begins to degrade at about the

halfway mark. I feel like I am struggling to maintain the stroke. I
suspect that a better strategy for me will be to swim the first half
with biceps crawl and then switch to my norma,l deep pull, shoulder
crawl. I will be trying this variation soon. <<

Two comments.

First, whenever you use muscles to do something new, it requires a
period of training and practice for optimum benefit. We recently moved
our business to a place where I now have an official bicycle lane at my
disposal, literally door to door. So I've hauled out my trusty 24 year
old Niskiki 10 speed and I'm bike commuting. First day wasn't pretty.
After the first week, I started imagining that I was Lance. With the
new arm stroke, the body position is probably altered to some degree,
as well. This will also take a little bit of training for adjustment.

Second, Steve Friederang last year wrote that having a parallel
universe sort of a freestyle could be advantageous in allowing one to
rest/alternate the use of one's muscles, particularly in a longer race.
I think that you'll agree that this stroke (drop-bi-centerline-free)
does use different muscles (substituting biceps for lats), so maybe
switching back and forth could have some advantages.

Over the years, I've developed a whole "quiver" of freestyles
("arrows"😉. It's been fun discovering that there is, indeed, more than
one way to skin a cat.

(Larry Weisenthal) said:

I'm bike commuting.

How far? I ride about 4 miles each way,
but only when I have no meetings or field
observation, or morning swimming, which
works out to only one or two days a week.

Also, the traffic is busy enough that I
spend more time looking out for the autos
than trying for speed. But, nonetheless, I
enjoy riding much more than driving.

(Larry Weisenthal) said:

I'm bike commuting.

How far? I ride about 4 miles each way,
but only when I have no meetings or field
observation, or morning swimming, which
works out to only one or two days a week.

Also, the traffic is busy enough that I
spend more time looking out for the autos
than trying for speed. But, nonetheless, I
enjoy riding much more than driving.

(Larry Weisenthal) said:

I'm bike commuting.

How far? I ride about 4 miles each way,
but only when I have no meetings or field
observation, or morning swimming, which
works out to only one or two days a week.

Also, the traffic is busy enough that I
spend more time looking out for the autos
than trying for speed. But, nonetheless, I
enjoy riding much more than driving.

(Larry Weisenthal) said:

I'm bike commuting.

How far? I ride about 4 miles each way,
but only when I have no meetings or field
observation, or morning swimming, which
works out to only one or two days a week.

Also, the traffic is busy enough that I
spend more time looking out for the autos
than trying for speed. But, nonetheless, I
enjoy riding much more than driving.

(Larry Weisenthal) said:

I'm bike commuting.

How far? I ride about 4 miles each way,
but only when I have no meetings or field
observation, or morning swimming, which
works out to only one or two days a week.

Also, the traffic is busy enough that I
spend more time looking out for the autos
than trying for speed. But, nonetheless, I
enjoy riding much more than driving.

(Larry Weisenthal) said:

I'm bike commuting.

How far? I ride about 4 miles each way,
but only when I have no meetings or field
observation, or morning swimming, which
works out to only one or two days a week.

Also, the traffic is busy enough that I
spend more time looking out for the autos
than trying for speed. But, nonetheless, I
enjoy riding much more than driving.

(Larry Weisenthal) said:

I'm bike commuting.

How far? I ride about 4 miles each way,
but only when I have no meetings or field
observation, or morning swimming, which
works out to only one or two days a week.

Also, the traffic is busy enough that I
spend more time looking out for the autos
than trying for speed. But, nonetheless, I
enjoy riding much more than driving.

(Larry Weisenthal) said:

I'm bike commuting.

How far? I ride about 4 miles each way,
but only when I have no meetings or field
observation, or morning swimming, which
works out to only one or two days a week.

Also, the traffic is busy enough that I
spend more time looking out for the autos
than trying for speed. But, nonetheless, I
enjoy riding much more than driving.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Man o' Tea said:

(Larry Weisenthal) said:

I'm bike commuting.

How far? I ride about 4 miles each way,
but only when I have no meetings or field
observation, or morning swimming, which
works out to only one or two days a week.

Also, the traffic is busy enough that I
spend more time looking out for the autos
than trying for speed. But, nonetheless, I
enjoy riding much more than driving.

I was having a hard time getting up to go to the pool for my 1500,
because I had to ride the bus 25 minutes, then swim a 1500, then ride
the bus back. With the wait times and walking to the bus stops, I was
spending two hours for a 1500 swim. Then I discovered that a bike
commuting road right along the highway, all the way from my house to the
pool. So now I ride 25 minutes to the pool, swim for about 25 minutes,
and then ride 25 minutes back. It only takes an hour and a half, and
almost all of it is training. I found that my reluctance to get up to
swim was really just a reluctance to waste so much time for so little
time in the pool. Now i go for a swim a lot more often, and its all
workout all the time.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Man o' Tea said:

(Larry Weisenthal) said:

I'm bike commuting.

How far? I ride about 4 miles each way,
but only when I have no meetings or field
observation, or morning swimming, which
works out to only one or two days a week.

Also, the traffic is busy enough that I
spend more time looking out for the autos
than trying for speed. But, nonetheless, I
enjoy riding much more than driving.

I was having a hard time getting up to go to the pool for my 1500,
because I had to ride the bus 25 minutes, then swim a 1500, then ride
the bus back. With the wait times and walking to the bus stops, I was
spending two hours for a 1500 swim. Then I discovered that a bike
commuting road right along the highway, all the way from my house to the
pool. So now I ride 25 minutes to the pool, swim for about 25 minutes,
and then ride 25 minutes back. It only takes an hour and a half, and
almost all of it is training. I found that my reluctance to get up to
swim was really just a reluctance to waste so much time for so little
time in the pool. Now i go for a swim a lot more often, and its all
workout all the time.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Man o' Tea said:

(Larry Weisenthal) said:

I'm bike commuting.

How far? I ride about 4 miles each way,
but only when I have no meetings or field
observation, or morning swimming, which
works out to only one or two days a week.

Also, the traffic is busy enough that I
spend more time looking out for the autos
than trying for speed. But, nonetheless, I
enjoy riding much more than driving.

I was having a hard time getting up to go to the pool for my 1500,
because I had to ride the bus 25 minutes, then swim a 1500, then ride
the bus back. With the wait times and walking to the bus stops, I was
spending two hours for a 1500 swim. Then I discovered that a bike
commuting road right along the highway, all the way from my house to the
pool. So now I ride 25 minutes to the pool, swim for about 25 minutes,
and then ride 25 minutes back. It only takes an hour and a half, and
almost all of it is training. I found that my reluctance to get up to
swim was really just a reluctance to waste so much time for so little
time in the pool. Now i go for a swim a lot more often, and its all
workout all the time.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Man o' Tea said:

(Larry Weisenthal) said:

I'm bike commuting.

How far? I ride about 4 miles each way,
but only when I have no meetings or field
observation, or morning swimming, which
works out to only one or two days a week.

Also, the traffic is busy enough that I
spend more time looking out for the autos
than trying for speed. But, nonetheless, I
enjoy riding much more than driving.

I was having a hard time getting up to go to the pool for my 1500,
because I had to ride the bus 25 minutes, then swim a 1500, then ride
the bus back. With the wait times and walking to the bus stops, I was
spending two hours for a 1500 swim. Then I discovered that a bike
commuting road right along the highway, all the way from my house to the
pool. So now I ride 25 minutes to the pool, swim for about 25 minutes,
and then ride 25 minutes back. It only takes an hour and a half, and
almost all of it is training. I found that my reluctance to get up to
swim was really just a reluctance to waste so much time for so little
time in the pool. Now i go for a swim a lot more often, and its all
workout all the time.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Man o' Tea said:

(Larry Weisenthal) said:

I'm bike commuting.

How far? I ride about 4 miles each way,
but only when I have no meetings or field
observation, or morning swimming, which
works out to only one or two days a week.

Also, the traffic is busy enough that I
spend more time looking out for the autos
than trying for speed. But, nonetheless, I
enjoy riding much more than driving.

I was having a hard time getting up to go to the pool for my 1500,
because I had to ride the bus 25 minutes, then swim a 1500, then ride
the bus back. With the wait times and walking to the bus stops, I was
spending two hours for a 1500 swim. Then I discovered that a bike
commuting road right along the highway, all the way from my house to the
pool. So now I ride 25 minutes to the pool, swim for about 25 minutes,
and then ride 25 minutes back. It only takes an hour and a half, and
almost all of it is training. I found that my reluctance to get up to
swim was really just a reluctance to waste so much time for so little
time in the pool. Now i go for a swim a lot more often, and its all
workout all the time.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Man o' Tea said:

(Larry Weisenthal) said:

I'm bike commuting.

How far? I ride about 4 miles each way,
but only when I have no meetings or field
observation, or morning swimming, which
works out to only one or two days a week.

Also, the traffic is busy enough that I
spend more time looking out for the autos
than trying for speed. But, nonetheless, I
enjoy riding much more than driving.

I was having a hard time getting up to go to the pool for my 1500,
because I had to ride the bus 25 minutes, then swim a 1500, then ride
the bus back. With the wait times and walking to the bus stops, I was
spending two hours for a 1500 swim. Then I discovered that a bike
commuting road right along the highway, all the way from my house to the
pool. So now I ride 25 minutes to the pool, swim for about 25 minutes,
and then ride 25 minutes back. It only takes an hour and a half, and
almost all of it is training. I found that my reluctance to get up to
swim was really just a reluctance to waste so much time for so little
time in the pool. Now i go for a swim a lot more often, and its all
workout all the time.