I have spun

"Monique Y. Herman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Attended a spinning class today. Was very glad I didn't have lunch beforehand. The instructor is
active with both mountain biking and roadie stuff. She chose great music and came up with enough
scenarios to keep me engaged.

Spinning classes are included in my Y membership, so it's effectively free to me. It's not as fun
as actually being on my bike, but it's infinitely better than working a treadmill or a stationary
bike on my own. I can't make it through half an hour on those; I had no problem staying motivated
through an hour-long session of spinning.

Spinning has two main benefits to me. One, there are plenty of days when I'm not motivated enough
to go biking in the cold, let alone the dark cold -- but even on days when I'm feeling like a
slug, having an instructor egging me on gets me going. Two, I can focus purely on wringing the
most energy out of my legs, so that when I do bike for real, my legs will be in better shape and I
will be able to focus more on the obstacles rather than on not collapsing.

If you don't care for spinning, I can understand. But I think it will fill a niche for me. It will
never be something I choose to do instead of mountain biking, but it will be something I do in
addition to mountain biking, and I do think it will help me enjoy mountain biking more.

--
monique

Good for you. It's a great way to maintain and/or increase your aerobic threshold.

Don't let the trolls in here get you down.

It will never replace real riding (IMO), but it has its place.

--

CP

Monique Y. Herman said:

Attended a spinning class today. Was very glad I didn't have lunch beforehand. The instructor is
active with both mountain biking and roadie stuff. She chose great music and came up with enough
scenarios to keep me engaged.

Quoted message said:

If you don't care for spinning, I can understand. But I think it will fill a niche for me. It will
never be something I choose to do instead of mountain biking, but it will be something I do in
addition to mountain biking, and I do think it will help me enjoy mountain biking more.

Monique, you might considereing getting a heart rate monitor for use during class. I found it really
helped me a lot. Here they use the "percieved exertion" on a scale of 1-10 instead of percentages,
and found that working with my %'s helps me a lot with the different intesity levels. Also, I'm
reading a cool book, Heart Zone Training by Sally Edwards which is very easy to understand. You can
get HRM's on sale at performance any time.

Penny

CP1 said:

Good for you. It's a great way to maintain and/or increase your aerobic threshold.

It's also good for praticing "pulling" on the pedals enabling one to get a rounder more constant
pedaling which can help in slippery conditions.

Oh, and some say standing out of the saddel with your butt just above the saddel while spinning
while make your butt look better:-)

Regards

Bruno

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Monique Y. Herman said:

Attended a spinning class today. Was very glad I didn't have lunch beforehand. The instructor is
active with both mountain biking and roadie stuff. She chose great music and came up with enough
scenarios to keep me engaged.

Spinning classes are included in my Y membership, so it's effectively free to me. It's not as fun
as actually being on my bike, but it's infinitely better than working a treadmill or a stationary
bike on my own. I can't make it through half an hour on those; I had no problem staying motivated
through an hour-long session of spinning.

Spinning has two main benefits to me. One, there are plenty of days when I'm not motivated enough
to go biking in the cold, let alone the dark cold -- but even on days when I'm feeling like a
slug, having an instructor egging me on gets me going. Two, I can focus purely on wringing the
most energy out of my legs, so that when I do bike for real, my legs will be in better shape and I
will be able to focus more on the obstacles rather than on not collapsing.

If you don't care for spinning, I can understand. But I think it will fill a niche for me. It will
never be something I choose to do instead of mountain biking, but it will be something I do in
addition to mountain biking, and I do think it will help me enjoy mountain biking more.

Good for you! The Y in Boulder? I was a member there for 10 years, I like the people and facility,
especially after the remodel. Good b-ball during lunch time. I have not had to spin for over a week
because the weather has been good enough to get out and road ride, today we'll try the dirt south
towards Farmington. But starting tomorrow, it will probably be back indoors for a while until this
next front moves through. Maybe I'll take a couple of runs on Monday at Purgatory!

--
Craig Brossman, Durango Colorado (remove ".nospam" to reply)

On 2004-01-24, Penny S penned:

Quoted message said:

Monique, you might considereing getting a heart rate monitor for use during class. I found it
really helped me a lot. Here they use the "percieved exertion" on a scale of 1-10 instead of
percentages, and found that working with my %'s helps me a lot with the different intesity levels.
Also, I'm reading a cool book, Heart Zone Training by Sally Edwards which is very easy to
understand. You can get HRM's on sale at performance any time.

If I can prove to myself that I'll keep it up, I might do that. I just got slapped with a pretty
huge car repair bill, so that plus Christmas equals a bit of frugality.

I suppose it's possible to overexert, too ... there was a point during the spinning when I started
feeling a bit dizzy, so I eased up. Then again, I'm still getting over a cold, so I knew I wouldn't
be in top form.

--
monique

On 2004-01-24, iddqd penned:

Quoted message said:

CP1 said:

Good for you. It's a great way to maintain and/or increase your aerobic threshold.

It's also good for praticing "pulling" on the pedals enabling one to get a rounder more constant
pedaling which can help in slippery conditions.

Yup, although I'm using the BMX-style pedals on my real bike. I'm not sure the rounded pedaling
really works with that? I'm using clipless at the gym, though.

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Oh, and some say standing out of the saddel with your butt just above the saddel while spinning
while make your butt look better:-)

Heh. The instructor pretty much dictated when we should be in or out of the saddle. But fortunately,
they have the bikes set up in two lines that face each other, so no one's staring right at my butt,
and I don't have to stare at anyone else's!

--
monique

Monique Y. Herman said:

On 2004-01-24, Penny S penned:

Quoted message said:

Monique, you might considereing getting a heart rate monitor for use during class. I found it
really helped me a lot. Here they use the "percieved exertion" on a scale of 1-10 instead of
percentages, and found that working with my %'s helps me a lot with the different intesity
levels. Also, I'm reading a cool book, Heart Zone Training by Sally Edwards which is very easy to
understand. You can get HRM's on sale at performance any time.

If I can prove to myself that I'll keep it up, I might do that. I just got slapped with a pretty
huge car repair bill, so that plus Christmas equals a bit of frugality.

I suppose it's possible to overexert, too ... there was a point during the spinning when I started
feeling a bit dizzy, so I eased up. Then again, I'm still getting over a cold, so I knew I
wouldn't be in top form.

dizzy: yah, that's a sign that you are working a little too hard.

now you can just wing it, but I'm of the mind that if I'm going to be in there, I might as well get
the most benefit out of it.

You can always do it manually, use the 220-age general formula to find your supposed max, ,and then
take your various percentages off that. Not really accurate, but it will do in lieu of real testing
or submax testing. I did the manual thing for a long time and just wore a watch with a second
counter and would take 6 second count ( x10) to see where I was.

guidelines: 90%+ is considered anaerobic 80-85 endurance 70-80% burn the most fat.

just guidelines of course.

Penny

On 2004-01-24, Craig Brossman penned:

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Good for you! The Y in Boulder? I was a member there for 10 years, I like the people and facility,
especially after the remodel.

Yup! I joined because of the Lafayette hockey leagues, but the Mapleton (Boulder) one is nice and
close to work.

--
monique

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Monique Y. Herman said:

On 2004-01-24, Penny S penned:

Quoted message said:

Monique, you might considereing getting a heart rate monitor for use during class. I found it
really helped me a lot. Here they use the "percieved exertion" on a scale of 1-10 instead of
percentages, and found that working with my %'s helps me a lot with the different intesity
levels. Also, I'm reading a cool book, Heart Zone Training by Sally Edwards which is very easy
to understand. You can get HRM's on sale at performance any time.

If I can prove to myself that I'll keep it up, I might do that. I just got slapped with a pretty
huge car repair bill, so that plus Christmas equals a bit of frugality.

I suppose it's possible to overexert, too ... there was a point during the spinning when I
started feeling a bit dizzy, so I eased up. Then again, I'm still getting over a cold, so I knew
I wouldn't be in top form.

dizzy: yah, that's a sign that you are working a little too hard.

I want to puke when I work to hard!!!!!!

jack said:

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Monique Y. Herman said:

On 2004-01-24, Penny S penned:

>Monique, you might considereing getting a heart rate monitor for use during class. I found it
>really helped me a lot. Here they use the "percieved exertion" on a scale of 1-10 instead of
>percentages, and found that working with my %'s helps me a lot with the different intesity
>levels. Also, I'm reading a cool book, Heart Zone Training by Sally Edwards which is very easy
>to understand. You can get HRM's on sale at performance any time.
>

If I can prove to myself that I'll keep it up, I might do that. I just got slapped with a pretty
huge car repair bill, so that plus Christmas equals a bit of frugality.

I suppose it's possible to overexert, too ... there was a point during the spinning when I
started feeling a bit dizzy, so I eased up. Then again, I'm still getting over a cold, so I knew
I wouldn't be in top form.

dizzy: yah, that's a sign that you are working a little too hard.

I want to puke when I work to hard!!!!!!

I get dizzy and wanna puke when I work too hard!!!!!!!!

Greg
--
"Destroy your safe and happy lives before it is too late, the battles we fought were long and hard,
just not to be consumed by rock n' roll..." - The Mekons

Penny S said:

guidelines: 90%+ is considered anaerobic 80-85 endurance 70-80% burn the most fat.

just guidelines of course.

Be careful with these figures above since they tend to be a little bit of statistical lies. I'm
especially talking about the so called fat burning zones. It is true that in the fatburning zones
you burn more fat than you burn carbohydrates. When your workload increases you will start using
carbohydrates as a complementary fuel and less fat *percentagewise* will be burned. However since
you are working harder you are burning more fuel so even though the *percentage* of fat burned is
lower the *total amount* of fat burned is higher. So if you want to burn lots of fat go for it 😉
There are other reasons to stay in the lower zones for long times and that is to build mitochondria
which is very important for the aerobic fitness. The more mítochondria we have the easier it is to
feed oxygen to the muscles and the better our endurance will be. The better our endurance gets the
more fat we can burn at higher workloads and the less dependent we get upon carb renewals etc.

--
Perre

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Per Elmsäter said:

Penny S said:

guidelines: 90%+ is considered anaerobic 80-85 endurance 70-80% burn the most fat.

just guidelines of course.

Be careful with these figures above since they tend to be a little bit of statistical lies. I'm
especially talking about the so called fat burning zones. It is true that in the fatburning zones
you burn more fat than you burn carbohydrates. When your workload increases you will start using
carbohydrates as a complementary fuel and less fat *percentagewise* will be burned. However since
you are working harder you are burning more fuel so even though the *percentage* of fat burned is
lower the *total amount* of fat burned is higher. So if you want to burn lots of fat go for it 😉
There are other reasons to stay in the lower zones for long times and that is to build
mitochondria which is very important for the aerobic fitness. The more mítochondria we have the
easier it is to feed oxygen to the muscles and the better our endurance will be. The better our
endurance gets the more fat we can burn at higher workloads and the less dependent we get upon
carb renewals etc.

good info. Now I'm just waiting to corner my trainer pal ( a real trainer, not a "got my certificate
out of a crackerjack box ) who works at the college, to do a sub max test so I can some better
personal numbers to work with. Instead of guidelines and general formulas.

Penny

ps, thanks for the card!!

Monique Y. Herman said:

If you don't care for spinning, I can understand. But I think it will fill a niche for me. It will
never be something I choose to do instead of mountain biking, but it will be something I do in
addition to mountain biking, and I do think it will help me enjoy mountain biking more.

The danger is that the niche will get bigger. Your standards for good riding weather might slip.
Don't have too much fun. 🙂

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"We should not march into Baghdad. ... Assigning young soldiers to
a fruitless hunt for a securely entrenched dictator and condemning
them to fight in what would be an unwinnable urban guerilla war, it
could only plunge that part of the world into ever greater
instability." George Bush Sr. in his 1998 book "A World Transformed"

Penny S said:

Monique, you might considereing getting a heart rate monitor for use during class. I found it
really helped me a lot. Here they use the "percieved exertion" on a scale of 1-10 instead of
percentages, and found that working with my %'s helps me a lot with the different intesity levels.
Also, I'm reading a cool book, Heart Zone Training by Sally Edwards which is very easy to
understand. You can get HRM's on sale at performance any time.

Penny

I use and like my HRM. But given that all training zones are based on your Max HR, how useful is it
really? The problem is, you don't know your max. You can't know it unless you go as hard as
physically possible to see how fast you can make your heart beat. Then re-check it every 20 minutes
or so. Not something recommended... With long use and casual statistical analysis ("watch your
numbers for a while"😉, you can put some loose boundaries around different levels of exertion, but
that's about it.

--
--
Lynn Wallace xmission.com~lawallOpen ↗
"We should not march into Baghdad. ... Assigning young soldiers to
a fruitless hunt for a securely entrenched dictator and condemning
them to fight in what would be an unwinnable urban guerilla war, it
could only plunge that part of the world into ever greater
instability." George Bush Sr. in his 1998 book "A World Transformed"

Penny S said:

Per Elmsäter said:

Penny S said:

guidelines: 90%+ is considered anaerobic 80-85 endurance 70-80% burn the most fat.

just guidelines of course.

Be careful with these figures above since they tend to be a little bit of statistical lies. I'm
especially talking about the so called fat burning zones. It is true that in the fatburning zones
you burn more fat than you burn carbohydrates. When your workload increases you will start using
carbohydrates as a complementary fuel and less fat *percentagewise* will be burned. However since
you are working harder you are burning more fuel so even though the *percentage* of fat burned is
lower the *total amount* of fat burned is higher. So if you want to burn lots of fat go for it 😉
There are other reasons to stay in the lower zones for long times and that is to build
mitochondria which is very important for the aerobic fitness. The more mítochondria we have the
easier it is to feed oxygen to the muscles and the better our endurance will be. The better our
endurance gets the more fat we can burn at higher workloads and the less dependent we get upon
carb renewals etc.

good info. Now I'm just waiting to corner my trainer pal ( a real trainer, not a "got my
certificate out of a crackerjack box ) who works at the college, to do a sub max test so I can
some better personal numbers to work with. Instead of guidelines and general formulas.

Yes there is nothing like getting info the oldfashioned way. Down and dirty as we say😉 There are so
many geeks on usenet telling us all sorts of different things.

Quoted message said:

Penny

ps, thanks for the card!!

You're welcome 😉 My memory is a little short nowadays, but I suspect it must have had something to
do with skiing.

--
Perre

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

*total amount* of fat burned is higher. So if you want to burn lots of fat go for it 😉 There
are other reasons to stay in the lower zones for long times and that is to build mitochondria
which is very important for the aerobic fitness. The more mítochondria we have the easier it is
to feed oxygen to the muscles and the better our endurance will be. The better our endurance
gets the more fat we can burn at higher workloads and the less dependent we get upon carb
renewals etc.

good info. Now I'm just waiting to corner my trainer pal ( a real trainer, not a "got my
certificate out of a crackerjack box ) who works at the college, to do a sub max test so I can
some better personal numbers to work with. Instead of guidelines and general formulas.

Yes there is nothing like getting info the oldfashioned way. Down and dirty as we say😉 There are
so many geeks on usenet telling us all sorts of different things.

Quoted message said:

Penny

ps, thanks for the card!!

You're welcome 😉 My memory is a little short nowadays, but I suspect it must have had something
to do with skiing.

Zermatt.

Raptor said:

Penny S said:

Monique, you might considereing getting a heart rate monitor for use during class. I found it
really helped me a lot. Here they use the "percieved exertion" on a scale of 1-10 instead of
percentages, and found that working with my %'s helps me a lot with the different intesity
levels. Also, I'm reading a cool book, Heart Zone Training by Sally Edwards which is very easy to
understand. You can get HRM's on sale at performance any time.

Penny

I use and like my HRM. But given that all training zones are based on your Max HR, how useful is
it really? The problem is, you don't know your max. You can't know it unless you go as hard as
physically possible to see how fast you can make your heart beat. Then re-check it every 20
minutes or so. Not something recommended... With long use and casual statistical analysis ("watch
your numbers for a while"😉, you can put some loose boundaries around different levels of exertion,
but that's about it.

--

It's not so mysterious as ít may seem. I just use the highest number that I've ever seen on my HRM
as my HRmax. I can check this after a training session. This value in my case was considerably
higher than the estimated value the first time I went up a hill. At 53 my estimate is maybe 220-53 =
167. I saw figures above 180 first time out. During the past year my known HRmax has raised itself
to 190. I think now that I am close to knowing my true HRmax and this is definitely good enough to
figure my HR zones from. If I used the estimated value I'd never come back down to recovery HR when
doing HR intervals 😉

--
Perre

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Per Elmsäter said:

There are other reasons to stay in the lower zones for long times and that is to build
mitochondria which is very important for the aerobic fitness. The more mítochondria we have the
easier it is to feed oxygen to the muscles and the better our endurance will be. The better our
endurance gets the more fat we can burn at higher workloads and the less dependent we get upon
carb renewals etc.

Another point was made to me recently about the usefulness of the lower intensity. It impacts your
glycogen stores less (since you're burning a higher %age of fat), which might lead to less of a
sugar crash after a workout. Good for dieters.

--
--
Lynn Wallace xmission.com~lawallOpen ↗
"We should not march into Baghdad. ... Assigning young soldiers to
a fruitless hunt for a securely entrenched dictator and condemning
them to fight in what would be an unwinnable urban guerilla war, it
could only plunge that part of the world into ever greater
instability." George Bush Sr. in his 1998 book "A World Transformed"

Penny S said:

good info. Now I'm just waiting to corner my trainer pal ( a real trainer, not a "got my
certificate out of a crackerjack box ) who works at the college, to do a sub max test so I can
some better personal numbers to work with. Instead of guidelines and general formulas.

Penny

ps, thanks for the card!!

I just got mine off the web, not from a box. For what it's worth. 🙂 (My cert is from a well-
respected organization [NASM].)

From what I know about the industry's standards, a CPT alone is not qualified to do a sub max test.
Does your friend have other quals, or am I an ignorant n00b?

--
--
Lynn Wallace xmission.com~lawallOpen ↗
"We should not march into Baghdad. ... Assigning young soldiers to
a fruitless hunt for a securely entrenched dictator and condemning
them to fight in what would be an unwinnable urban guerilla war, it
could only plunge that part of the world into ever greater
instability." George Bush Sr. in his 1998 book "A World Transformed"