i have been run over

Your description of what happened is not entirely clear but I think the important fact is that you were in front of him and he made the choice to drive over you. This is entirely unacceptable under any circumstances and is grounds for a criminal prosecution, I believe - perhaps even a murder charge. Witnesses are important in a case like this, which it sounds like you don't have. However, what about CCTV or Traffic Cameras that might have caught the incident. If there is a clear recording of the event, then I would imagine you would have a very strong case. You have to be quick to act in situations like this in case the tapes get wiped so I'd act on this immediately if I was you.

Also, call Cycle Aid on 0800 132 383 for more professional advice.

Good luck and let us know how it goes.

In "]news:[email hidden], ebolagizzard <[email hidden]> typed:

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Dear all,

Below is a short description of an incident involving a AUtomobileassociation driving school car
containing only the instructor. I am deeply traumatised by the attitude reflected by a seemingly
responsible company, and am now most concerned for my safety, along with the safety of all
cyclists on the road. I dont know whether or not i can take action (of any kind) and was wondering
if you could provide me with your opinion(s) regarding thios matter. The accident ewas reported to
thepolice approximately half and hour after the fact, and i have sustained concussion and bruising
to my knee and elbow. ALthough I havnt been to the hospital, but i might if the pain doesn;t
subside. My bike is also a right-off! Please help!

The police should take action for failing to stop after an accident. I would get yourself off to
hospital pronto to be checked over, especially if you have concussion, if only to get a formal
record of your injuries if it ever comes to Court. Do you have any information at all about the car
and driver because its going to be difficult to find him without that? I would also contact the AA
because they should know who instructs under their name in the area and may be able to help identify
the driver and take action themselves. Until you or the police can identify the driver there is not
a lot you can do but once identified they should be able to find damage from the accident on the car
to support the lack of witnesses.

Incidentally what was the police reaction when you reported it?

Tony

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This is entirely unacceptable under any circumstances and is grounds for a criminal prosecution, I
believe - perhaps even a murder charge.

Hang on a sec, he's not dead yet!

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ebolagizzard said:

'At 1745 on friday the 4th july 2003 i was travelling by bicycle through a road in surrey. Whilst
manouvering my bike during the redf cycle of the trafficlights guiding vehicles to a station
approach I could see that the driver of an AA silver ford focus was obviously annoyed by me moving
my cycle to the front of his queue. I noticed this but continued to move my bike out of his way. I
was still clearly at the front of his car and not in any blind spot. When the lights yturned green
he accelerated over the rear half of my bike and had it not been for my quick reactions and the
consequent movement of my legs to the front half of ther biker he would have run me ovber too. The
impact of the accident left me on the floor tangled in my bike with a gash on my elbow and a
concussion cvaused through my head and arm and knee hitting the concrete. The driver did not at any
time stop to check if if i was ok, infact he contuned accelerating his ford focus driving school
car into the distance. '

Hi Matt

You story does sound rather similar to mine of several weeks ago. Hopefully, my both spelling and
grammar was a little better than yours, but, if not, well, we'll blame it on our crashes.

Whatever ... I hope you'll recover soon.

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Without even going into the realms of establishing blame he committed an offence by leaving the
scene of an accident. If there is injury (cut finger?) the police are obliged to attend AFAIK.

Anyone who leaves the scene where someone is injured is morally bankrupt IMO and wants the book
throwing at them, preferably aimed at their nuts if male.

Do visit your GP or hospital to record your injuries as well as have them checked out, as already
advised. Photograph them if possible.

Join the CTC and you'll get free legal advice. www.ctc.org.uk Watch out for solicitors who have
large adverts in cycling mags, (speaking from first hand experience here).

Pete

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ebolagizzard said:

'At 1745 on friday the 4th july 2003 i was travelling by bicycle through a road in surrey. Whilst
manouvering my bike during the redf cycle of the trafficlights guiding vehicles to a station
approach I could see that the driver of an AA silver ford focus was obviously annoyed by me
moving my cycle to the front of his queue. I noticed this but continued to move my bike out of
his way. I was still clearly at the front of his car and not in any blind spot. When the lights
yturned green he accelerated over the rear half of my bike and had it not been for my quick
reactions and the consequent movement of my legs to the front half of ther biker he would have
run me ovber too. The impact of the accident left me on the floor tangled in my bike with a gash
on my elbow and a concussion cvaused through my head and arm and knee hitting the concrete. The
driver did not at any time stop to check if if i was ok, infact he contuned accelerating his ford
focus driving school car into the distance. '

Hi Matt

You story does sound rather similar to mine of several weeks ago. Hopefully, my both spelling and
grammar was a little better than yours, but, if not, well, we'll blame it on our crashes.

Whatever ... I hope you'll recover soon.

Regards James

Aw, c'mon James!!, the guys just had a NDE (near death experience) and you're criticising his
English / typing skills !!

On 6 Jul 2003 23:30:21 +0950, ebolagizzard <[email hidden]> wrote:

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DID YOU GET WITNESSES? This is critical.

If you did, great. He has committed at least two offences: driving without due care and failing to
stop. He may, in the judgement of the police, also have committed one or more serious offences
including assault and dangerous driving.

You need witnesses, and you need his registration mark. If you have neither get onto the police NOW
and they can trace the car through the driving school. Failing to stop after an accident, whatever
the rights and wrongs of the accident in question, is a serious offence for which he can lose his
licence (read job). A driving instructor who will do this MUST be pursued IMO.

And above all you need a solicitor. As others have said, if you are not a member of the CTC,
consider joining.

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Hi Matt

You story does sound rather similar to mine of several weeks ago. Hopefully, my both spelling and
grammar was a little better than yours, but, if not, well, we'll blame it on our crashes.

Call a Doctor quick! Your grammar is still broken!! :-P

Regards,

Pete.

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On 6 Jul 2003 23:30:21 +0950, ebolagizzard <[email hidden]> wrote:

[snip [censored] in driving school car]

DID YOU GET WITNESSES? This is critical.

If you did, great. He has committed at least two offences: driving without due care and failing to
stop. He may, in the judgement of the police, also have committed one or more serious offences
including assault and dangerous driving.

You need witnesses, and you need his registration mark. If you have neither get onto the police
NOW and they can trace the car through the driving school. Failing to stop after an accident,
whatever the rights and wrongs of the accident in question, is a serious offence for which he can
lose his licence (read job). A driving instructor who will do this MUST be pursued IMO.

And above all you need a solicitor. As others have said, if you are not a member of the CTC,
consider joining.

Above all, you need a doctor. Head injuries should always be checked out. Don't delay this.
Hopefully you'll be OK but it's better to be sure. Then get after the driver. Bill

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Tony Raven said:

The police should take action for failing to stop after an accident.

The police should take action for a serious violent assault. They certainly would if any other
weapon had been used.

James

This is entirely unacceptable under any circumstances and is grounds for a criminal prosecution, I

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believe - perhaps even a murder charge.

Hang on a sec, he's not dead yet!

Tony

That should have been "attempted murder charge" although the leap of imagination clearly was too much for you.

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AUtomobileassociation driving school car containing only the instructor. I am deeply traumatised by
the attitude reflected by a seemingly responsible company,

As I understand it these people are all self-employed, working under the AA banner as something like
a franchisee.

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The accident

What you describe was not an accident. Don't call it one, call it a assault and always correct the
police if they try and claim that it was an accident.

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"ebolagizzard" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Without even going into the realms of establishing blame he committed an offence by leaving the
scene of an accident.

This isn't strictly true. You can leave the scene of an accident but you _must_ report it to the
Police within 24 hours.
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On 6 Jul 2003 23:30:21 +0950 someone who may be ebolagizzard <[email hidden]>
wrote this:-

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AUtomobileassociation driving school car containing only the instructor. I am deeply traumatised
by the attitude reflected by a seemingly responsible company,

As I understand it these people are all self-employed, working under the AA banner as something
like a franchisee.

Quoted message said:

The accident

What you describe was not an accident. Don't call it one, call it a assault and always correct the
police if they try and claim that it was an accident.

It does sound a bit like an accident to me. I'm not condoning it but I would guess the driver didn't
intentionally run him over but mistimed as the cylist was trying to get out the way. Obviously not
stopping was a serious crime.

However my point is that it is safest to decide what you are doing, So either position the bike
smack bang in the center of the lane in front of the car or make sure you are safely to the side
when the cars start their mad race as the lights go green.

ebolagizzard wrote:

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Dear all,

guiding vehicles to a station approach I could see description of incident snipped.

Hi As suggested by other posters you should report this incident to the police. Ideally an
independant witness would be needed to prove the exact circumstances. The driver might claim he was
starting to accelerate away when you undertook him and cut in front of him causing the accident. It
would be your word against his. Also an independant witness corroborating how the collision happened
may be enough to support a charge of assault rather than a road traffic charge of careless or
dangerous driving. In any case whether or not you have a witness if you have the reg no. of the car
or it can be traced through the AA the driver could be charged with failing to stop after the
accident. Hopefully scratches to the car would confirm it had been involved in the accident if the
driver denied it and you did not have a witness. If you pursue a civil claim for damages - personal
injury and damage to your bike and clothing a witness is not essential since the standard of proof
for civil cases is the balance of probabilties as opposed to beyond reasonable doubt for criminal
cases (includes RTA charges). cheers Iain C

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Why are you posting to a UK group using an Australian ISP?

Err. Why not? Isn't the internet international?

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Tony W said:

Err. Why not? Isn't the internet international?

I suspect a troll.
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I suspect a troll.

As long as its not the [censored] from Inverness it shouldn't be a problem -- as long as the
Troll cycles.