I have a cunning plan...

David Martin said:

There has been a bit of a hoo-har at work about the reduction in car parking
places. Discussing this with some of those who commute by car, I often get
the response "I'd love to cycle but it's too far". Legitimate point but now
with an interesting twist.

How much do you pay in car park charges? 120 per year.
How much in fuel? far too much...

Why not park a bit further out of town and ride in on a folding bike? You'll
be quids in by the end of the year, get a nice refreshing ride in, and still
have teh car available to drive in if the weather is really [censored]. You'll
save the car parking charges, and the extra fuel cost which will add up to
about 15 quid a week.

Quite a lot over the course of a year, and you know you'll feel better for
it as well.

How about adding a Bike Buddy offer to it as well - "I know it may feel
uncomfortable cycling in in the traffic to start with, but tell you
what, I'll meet up and cycle in with you for the first few days until
you are used to it" Thus removing the last excuse. I also offer to
check people's bikes over for them.

Tony

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Quoted message said:

How about adding a Bike Buddy offer to it as well - "I know it may feel
uncomfortable cycling in in the traffic to start with, but tell you what,
I'll meet up and cycle in with you for the first few days until you are
used to it" Thus removing the last excuse. I also offer to check
people's bikes over for them.

All I did was walk in slim and fit in my cycling gear every day and the
penny dropped in some people's cases. A guy who lives near me said he was
cancelling his gym membership and biking to work everyday. He and his
colleague rode in yesterday and said it was wonderful.

They cycled along the Humber Foreshore, stopped for a bacon banjo half way
and took 75 minutes for the 12 miles. The big test for them is winter
though. The guy asked me if I ever was tempted to have half an hour extra in
bed and take the car when it was winter. Sure, I said, but it's the slippery
slope.

You say to yourself, it's too cold today, I'll drive in. Well, it's winter,
it will be cold the next day as well. So you've binned a whole season. Then
it'll be too windy, too wet, too hot and so on. I'm so glad I cycle through
the winter, being super fit now makes all that hard work worthwhile :-)

--
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http://www.simonmason.karoo.net

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Quoted message said:

You say to yourself, it's too cold today, I'll drive in. Well, it's
winter, it will be cold the next day as well. So you've binned a whole
season. Then it'll be too windy, too wet, too hot and so on. I'm so glad I
cycle through the winter, being super fit now makes all that hard work
worthwhile :-)

I like this time of year. There's loads of people dusting down their bikes,
and must feel dejected as I blast past them. 🙂

75 minutes for 12 miles, pah, that's not superfit 😉

In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

There has been a bit of a hoo-har at work about the reduction in car parking
places. Discussing this with some of those who commute by car, I often get
the response "I'd love to cycle but it's too far". Legitimate point but now
with an interesting twist.

How much do you pay in car park charges? 120 per year.
How much in fuel? far too much...

Why not park a bit further out of town and ride in on a folding bike? You'll
be quids in by the end of the year, get a nice refreshing ride in, and still
have teh car available to drive in if the weather is really [censored]. You'll
save the car parking charges, and the extra fuel cost which will add up to
about 15 quid a week.

Quite a lot over the course of a year, and you know you'll feel better for
it as well.

I'm thinking of doing this simply because the last 10 miles of my
journey takes nearly 45 minutes, and I still have a 10 minute walk.

The problem I have is that there's nowhere particularly safe to leave
the car, and I'd have to content with single and dual carriageways
around Gloucester and Cheltenham. Then there's no decent cycle parking
at work, nor showers, even though the company runs the "get a bike half-
price" thing - you know, Booost.

--
Hywel http://kibo.org.uk/
I do not eat quiche.

In article said:

There has been a bit of a hoo-har at work about the reduction in car parking
places. Discussing this with some of those who commute by car, I often get
the response "I'd love to cycle but it's too far". Legitimate point but now
with an interesting twist.

How much do you pay in car park charges? 120 per year.
How much in fuel? far too much...

Why not park a bit further out of town and ride in on a folding bike?

Because I have an estate car and the non-folding bike fits in it fine :-)

(Actually I have been using a folder recently, which has the advantage
that it fits in the boot while I drop the children at school on the way,
but the non-folder needs the rear seats down. If I used the U+2 for
school more that wouldn't be a consideration.
On the other hand I'm considering a smaller folder that would fit more
easily in our other car, a Ford Ka. On the gripping hand we're considering
getting rid of one car - though recent experiance while one or the other
was off road was that while we could managewith one, it was a pain, and
having an only car off the road would be very difficult (and renting one
then, or buying a shiny new supposedly reliable car would rather offset
the potential savings (I was a bit annoyed at the Ka destroying its engine,
it was supposed to be too new for that sort of thing)).

When I had a (non-folding) trailer cycle too and had to get to nursery
school by 9am, it was also quicker into town. Now I'm generally later,
traffic has eased a bit, but the free parking spaces at work have all
gone more often.

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Quoted message said:

You say to yourself, it's too cold today, I'll drive in. Well, it's
winter, it will be cold the next day as well. So you've binned a whole
season. Then it'll be too windy, too wet, too hot and so on. I'm so glad I
cycle through the winter, being super fit now makes all that hard work
worthwhile :-)

I like this time of year. There's loads of people dusting down their bikes,
and must feel dejected as I blast past them. 🙂

75 minutes for 12 miles, pah, that's not superfit 😉

That's the bloke who has just started, not me. I can do it in 40 minutes.

-

Simon M.

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Alan Braggins said:

In article <[email hidden]>, David Martin

Quoted message said:

There has been a bit of a hoo-har at work about the reduction in car
parking places. Discussing this with some of those who commute by
car, I often get the response "I'd love to cycle but it's too far".
Legitimate point but now with an interesting twist.

How much do you pay in car park charges? 120 per year.
How much in fuel? far too much...

Why not park a bit further out of town and ride in on a folding bike?

Because I have an estate car and the non-folding bike fits in it fine
:-)

(Actually I have been using a folder recently, which has the advantage
that it fits in the boot while I drop the children at school on the
way, but the non-folder needs the rear seats down. If I used the U+2
for school more that wouldn't be a consideration.
On the other hand I'm considering a smaller folder that would fit more
easily in our other car, a Ford Ka. On the gripping hand we're
considering getting rid of one car - though recent experiance while
one or the other was off road was that while we could managewith one,
it was a pain, and having an only car off the road would be very
difficult (and renting one then, or buying a shiny new supposedly
reliable car would rather offset the potential savings (I was a bit
annoyed at the Ka destroying its engine, it was supposed to be too
new for that sort of thing)).

The Ka engine is based on one they used to put in the Anglia. It's meant to
break 😉. And don't get me started on Fords...

Doki said:

The Ka engine is based on one they used to put in the Anglia. It's meant to
break 😉. And don't get me started on Fords...

Most of the car engines used today are based on old engines.

Tony

On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 02:53:54 +0100, Doki wrote:

[snip]

Quoted message said:

The Ka engine is based on one they used to put in the Anglia. It's meant to
break 😉. And don't get me started on Fords...

I don't think the Ka uses a sidevalve engine!

That was then followed by the Kent engine which was all cast iron. Is that
what's in the Ka?

Unlikely.

steve

Steve ([email hidden]) wrote:
: That was then followed by the Kent engine which was all cast iron. Is that
: what's in the Ka?
: Unlikely.

The OHV Endura-E engine in the Ka is based on the Kent engine. More
recent Kas have Duratec(?) engines ... I'm not sure if that's just
another update of the same engine.

Back to the original topic ... if someone could could guarantee that
when I cycle to work on a sunny morning it'll not be pissing down when
it's time to go home I might consider doing it more often.

Blair.

On 27/3/05 7:49 pm, in article [email hidden], "B.G. Finlay

IT Services said:

Steve ([email hidden]) wrote:
: That was then followed by the Kent engine which was all cast iron. Is that
: what's in the Ka?
: Unlikely.

The OHV Endura-E engine in the Ka is based on the Kent engine. More
recent Kas have Duratec(?) engines ... I'm not sure if that's just
another update of the same engine.

Back to the original topic ... if someone could could guarantee that
when I cycle to work on a sunny morning it'll not be pissing down when
it's time to go home I might consider doing it more often.

Working on the same site as you ;-) it has more often been pissing downint
he morning and sunny in the evening. In fact, IIRC it has only rained at
going home time (5-6) once or twice in the last month (and rained about
three times at going to work time (8-9).

Perception dear boy.. ANd if you want the actual figures, look at Prof
Bartons weather station data from the Perth Road..

...d

Tony Raven said:

FWIW my weather check for what to take is the BBC Breakfast weather
reports. That close to the day they are reasonably OK but the night
before's forecast is usually pants. OTOH it only rains about 6-10 days
in the year during a commute so the perception of weather is almost
certainly worse than the weather.

I used to think that, until I started keeping a commuting weather log
for my 25 minute commute!

In the past 12 months I can see that I have made 424 commuting journeys
(2 a day, 212 days). I have been rained on on 75 of those journeys (I
was also snowed on 3 times and hailed on once).

Of those 75 rain showers, 35 were light enough that I would hardly have
noticed them if I hadn't been keeping a log. But that still leaves 40
journeys during 12 months of commuting when I've been rained on properly.

It doesn't put me off cycling, of course. I just make sure I have the
right clothes.

--
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<URL:http://www.speedy5.freeserve.co.uk/danny/>
"He who dares not offend cannot be honest." - Thomas Paine

In article said:

Steve ([email hidden]) wrote:
: That was then followed by the Kent engine which was all cast iron. Is that
: what's in the Ka?
: Unlikely.

The OHV Endura-E engine in the Ka is based on the Kent engine. More
recent Kas have Duratec(?) engines ... I'm not sure if that's just
another update of the same engine.

Basically same block, different head, says Google. (Mine's an older one.)

Quoted message said:

Back to the original topic ... if someone could could guarantee that
when I cycle to work on a sunny morning it'll not be pissing down when
it's time to go home I might consider doing it more often.

Move to Cambridge, one of the driest places in the country.

On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 21:11:08 +0100, Danny Colyer
<[email hidden]> wrote in message
<[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

In the past 12 months I can see that I have made 424 commuting journeys
(2 a day, 212 days). I have been rained on on 75 of those journeys (I
was also snowed on 3 times and hailed on once).
Of those 75 rain showers, 35 were light enough that I would hardly have
noticed them if I hadn't been keeping a log. But that still leaves 40
journeys during 12 months of commuting when I've been rained on properly.

Amazing! I've always said that you'll only get properly wet on about
twenty days a year, and that seems to be right!

Guy
--
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"To every complex problem there is a solution which is
simple, neat and wrong" - HL Mencken

On 27/3/05 9:27 pm, in article [email hidden],

Alan Braggins said:

In article said:

Steve ([email hidden]) wrote:
: That was then followed by the Kent engine which was all cast iron. Is that
: what's in the Ka?
: Unlikely.

The OHV Endura-E engine in the Ka is based on the Kent engine. More
recent Kas have Duratec(?) engines ... I'm not sure if that's just
another update of the same engine.

Basically same block, different head, says Google. (Mine's an older one.)

Quoted message said:

Back to the original topic ... if someone could could guarantee that
when I cycle to work on a sunny morning it'll not be pissing down when
it's time to go home I might consider doing it more often.

Move to Cambridge, one of the driest places in the country.

Dundee is frequently amongst the driest cities in the UK, despite being in
Scotland. Drier than Cambridge in any case, and we don't have to worry about
sea levels rising with global warming ;-)

(My boss moved here from Cambridge a few years back.)

And in response to the inevitable questions, yes it is still one of the best
places in the UK to live. I can be in central London as fast from Dundee as
from Cambridge (OK, by plane rather than by train), house prices are much
cheaper, and there are more amenities, concommittent with Dundee being a
city and Cambridge being a University attatched to a large village. We also
have Real Hills (tm), quiet roads that are fantastic for cycling, Really Big
Hills a bit further away, and nice light evenings in the summer till after
pub chuck out time.

And the weather is better.

;-)

...d

David Martin said:

And in response to the inevitable questions, yes it is still one of the best
places in the UK to live. I can be in central London as fast from Dundee as
from Cambridge (OK, by plane rather than by train),

How do you do that? Its 50 mins to Kings Cross on the Cambridge Flyer
or 70 mins to Liverpool St in the heart of the "City". You'll spend
much more time than that checking in and getting into the city from the
airport.

Tony

Tony Raven said:

David Martin said:

And in response to the inevitable questions, yes it is still one of the best
places in the UK to live. I can be in central London as fast from Dundee as
from Cambridge (OK, by plane rather than by train),

How do you do that? Its 50 mins to Kings Cross on the Cambridge Flyer
or 70 mins to Liverpool St in the heart of the "City". You'll spend
much more time than that checking in and getting into the city from the
airport.

I had a liberal definition of 'Cambridge' meaning Hinxton genome campus..
And travelling on a Sunday when most of the railway IME is replaced by a bus
service..

Otherwise you are mostly correct, though with carry on luggage the waiting
times in Dundee are not much more than that for a train in Cambridge..

I'll happily sacrifice the 40 minutes or so difference though for the
Highlands on my doorstep and better weather.. ;-)

...d

David Martin said:

I had a liberal definition of 'Cambridge' meaning Hinxton genome campus..
And travelling on a Sunday when most of the railway IME is replaced by a bus
service..

Otherwise you are mostly correct, though with carry on luggage the waiting
times in Dundee are not much more than that for a train in Cambridge..

I'll happily sacrifice the 40 minutes or so difference though for the
Highlands on my doorstep and better weather.. ;-)

If you can choose a day when the Cambridge trains are replaced by buses,
I'll choose one when the airports are socked in with weather in which
case you'll sacrifice a lot more than 40 mins ;-)

Tony