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Dave · 2003-10-16T21:17:47+00:00

Stuart is right, there is no challenge in finding stacks and stacks of dangerous medicines and failed traditional therapies that maim and kill every day. They even do their scientific studies of the maiming and killing. I use some of the services of MD's and am grateful for them. The problem for me is exemplified by the guy who wants me to accept his challenge to overdose on vitamins and do what I don't know. It would be encouaraging absurdity to ask what he thinks a vitamin is. He has accepted as "the gospel", some erroneous and deceptive information from the same people who create the dangerous medicines, and failed therapies that maim and kill people. Physicians are trained and qualified to do many things. They are not trained to heal diseases and conditions.

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Dave
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16 October 2003, 21:17 UTC #1

Stuart is right, there is no challenge in finding stacks and stacks of
dangerous medicines and failed traditional therapies that maim and kill
every day. They even do their scientific studies of the maiming and killing.
I use some of the services of MD's and am grateful for them. The problem for
me is exemplified by the guy who wants me to accept his challenge to
overdose on vitamins and do what I don't know. It would be encouaraging
absurdity to ask
what he thinks a vitamin is.
He has accepted as "the gospel", some erroneous and deceptive information
from the same people who create the dangerous medicines, and failed
therapies that maim and kill people.
Physicians are trained and qualified to do many things.
They are not trained to heal diseases and conditions.

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Orac
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16 October 2003, 22:59 UTC #2

In article <[email hidden]>,
Dave said:
I use some of the services of MD's and am grateful for them. The problem for
me is exemplified by the guy who wants me to accept his challenge to
overdose on vitamins and do what I don't know. It would be encouaraging
absurdity to ask
what he thinks a vitamin is.
At the risk of encouraging utter stupidity from you, how about you tell
us what YOU think a vitamin is.
--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

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Dave
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16 October 2003, 23:56 UTC #3

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In article <[email hidden]>,
Dave said:
I use some of the services of MD's and am grateful for them. The problem

for
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
me is exemplified by the guy who wants me to accept his challenge to
overdose on vitamins and do what I don't know. It would be encouaraging
absurdity to ask
what he thinks a vitamin is.
At the risk of encouraging utter stupidity from you, how about you tell
us what YOU think a vitamin is.
--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

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David Wright
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17 October 2003, 00:38 UTC #4

In article <[email hidden]>,
Dave said:
Stuart is right, there is no challenge in finding stacks and stacks of
dangerous medicines and failed traditional therapies that maim and kill
every day. They even do their scientific studies of the maiming and killing.
But you're leaving out the stupid, archaic, useless or harmful
"traditional" therapies.
Quoted message said:
I use some of the services of MD's and am grateful for them. The problem for
me is exemplified by the guy who wants me to accept his challenge to
overdose on vitamins and do what I don't know. It would be encouaraging
absurdity to ask what he thinks a vitamin is.
No, the absurdity would arise when *you* tried to define what a
vitamin is. Now *that's* entertainment.
Quoted message said:
He has accepted as "the gospel", some erroneous and deceptive
information from the same people who create the dangerous medicines,
and failed therapies that maim and kill people.
Occasionally. And help them far more often. Far more often than
sleazeball ginseng peddlers do, I might add.
Quoted message said:
Physicians are trained and qualified to do many things.
They are not trained to heal diseases and conditions.
What else *is* there, genius?
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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Dave
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17 October 2003, 01:02 UTC #5

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Quoted message said:
In article <[email hidden]>,
Dave said:
Stuart is right, there is no challenge in finding stacks and stacks of
dangerous medicines and failed traditional therapies that maim and kill
every day. They even do their scientific studies of the maiming and

killing.
Quoted message said:

But you're leaving out the stupid, archaic, useless or harmful
"traditional" therapies.
Quoted message said:
I use some of the services of MD's and am grateful for them. The problem

for
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
me is exemplified by the guy who wants me to accept his challenge to
overdose on vitamins and do what I don't know. It would be encouaraging
absurdity to ask what he thinks a vitamin is.
No, the absurdity would arise when *you* tried to define what a
vitamin is. Now *that's* entertainment.
Quoted message said:
He has accepted as "the gospel", some erroneous and deceptive
information from the same people who create the dangerous medicines,
and failed therapies that maim and kill people.
Occasionally. And help them far more often. Far more often than
sleazeball ginseng peddlers do, I might add.
Quoted message said:
Physicians are trained and qualified to do many things.
They are not trained to heal diseases and conditions.
What else *is* there, genius?
Gunshot wounds, stabwounds, broken bones and other trauma, free thinker.

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Orac
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17 October 2003, 01:23 UTC #6

In article <[email hidden]>,
Dave said:
"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:
In article <[email hidden]>,
Dave <[email hidden]> wrote:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Physicians are trained and qualified to do many things.
They are not trained to heal diseases and conditions.
What else *is* there, genius?
Gunshot wounds, stabwounds, broken bones and other trauma, free thinker.
Why do you think the injuries from these do not qualify as "conditions,"
fuzzy thinker?
--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

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Dave
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17 October 2003, 01:42 UTC #7

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"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In article <[email hidden]>,
Dave <[email hidden]> wrote:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
>Physicians are trained and qualified to do many things.
>They are not trained to heal diseases and conditions.
What else *is* there, genius?
Gunshot wounds, stabwounds, broken bones and other trauma, free thinker.
Why do you think the injuries from these do not qualify as "conditions,"
fuzzy thinker?
--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

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Dave
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17 October 2003, 01:45 UTC #8

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"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In article <[email hidden]>,
Dave <[email hidden]> wrote:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
>Physicians are trained and qualified to do many things.
>They are not trained to heal diseases and conditions.
What else *is* there, genius?
Gunshot wounds, stabwounds, broken bones and other trauma, free thinker.
Why do you think the injuries from these do not qualify as "conditions,"
fuzzy thinker?
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Thanks for the comic relief. I guess if you
don't
know the difference between asthma and a gunshot wound you will have
to stop pretending to be a doctor, eh?

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David Wright
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17 October 2003, 01:48 UTC #9

In article <[email hidden]>,
Dave said:

"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
In article <[email hidden]>,
Dave said:
Stuart is right, there is no challenge in finding stacks and stacks of
dangerous medicines and failed traditional therapies that maim and kill
every day. They even do their scientific studies of the maiming and

killing.
Quoted message said:

But you're leaving out the stupid, archaic, useless or harmful
"traditional" therapies.
Quoted message said:
I use some of the services of MD's and am grateful for them. The problem

for
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
me is exemplified by the guy who wants me to accept his challenge to
overdose on vitamins and do what I don't know. It would be encouaraging
absurdity to ask what he thinks a vitamin is.
No, the absurdity would arise when *you* tried to define what a
vitamin is. Now *that's* entertainment.
Quoted message said:
He has accepted as "the gospel", some erroneous and deceptive
information from the same people who create the dangerous medicines,
and failed therapies that maim and kill people.
Occasionally. And help them far more often. Far more often than
sleazeball ginseng peddlers do, I might add.
Quoted message said:
Physicians are trained and qualified to do many things.
They are not trained to heal diseases and conditions.
What else *is* there, genius?
Gunshot wounds, stabwounds, broken bones and other trauma, free thinker.
Ah, you should have made it clear that trauma wasn't a "condition" in
your lexicon.
As for their being able to treat diseases, well, you can use ginseng
next time you get a bad infection. I'll go for antibiotics.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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Dave
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17 October 2003, 02:47 UTC #10

"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In article <[email hidden]>,
Dave said:

"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
In article <[email hidden]>,
Dave <[email hidden]> wrote:
>Stuart is right, there is no challenge in finding stacks and stacks of
>dangerous medicines and failed traditional therapies that maim and

kill
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
>every day. They even do their scientific studies of the maiming and

killing.
Quoted message said:

But you're leaving out the stupid, archaic, useless or harmful
"traditional" therapies.
>I use some of the services of MD's and am grateful for them. The

problem
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
for
Quoted message said:
>me is exemplified by the guy who wants me to accept his challenge to
>overdose on vitamins and do what I don't know. It would be

encouaraging
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
>absurdity to ask what he thinks a vitamin is.
No, the absurdity would arise when *you* tried to define what a
vitamin is. Now *that's* entertainment.
>He has accepted as "the gospel", some erroneous and deceptive
>information from the same people who create the dangerous medicines,
>and failed therapies that maim and kill people.
Occasionally. And help them far more often. Far more often than
sleazeball ginseng peddlers do, I might add.
>Physicians are trained and qualified to do many things.
>They are not trained to heal diseases and conditions.
What else *is* there, genius?
Gunshot wounds, stabwounds, broken bones and other trauma, free thinker.
Ah, you should have made it clear that trauma wasn't a "condition" in
your lexicon.
As for their being able to treat diseases, well, you can use ginseng
next time you get a bad infection. I'll go for antibiotics.
Funny you should mention it. You will absolutely have to go for
antibiotics, and I'm certain you will. When I was an asthmatic taking
Pulmocort, I continually had chest infections. Since I started taking
the ginseng on May 22, I haven't had any chest infections. I hope you
remember to take good quality (not drug company brands) probiotics
after your antibiotics to restore the intestinal flora that the antibotics
kill.

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Orac
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17 October 2003, 02:48 UTC #11

In article <[email hidden]>,
Dave said:
"Orac" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:
In article <[email hidden]>,
Dave said:
"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> In article <[email hidden]>,
> Dave <[email hidden]> wrote:
Quoted message said:
> >Physicians are trained and qualified to do many things.
> >They are not trained to heal diseases and conditions.
>
> What else *is* there, genius?
Gunshot wounds, stabwounds, broken bones and other trauma, free thinker.
Why do you think the injuries from these do not qualify as "conditions,"
fuzzy thinker?
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Thanks for the comic relief.
The only comic relief here, Glowlife Dave, is you.
Quoted message said:
I guess if you
don't
know the difference between asthma and a gunshot wound you will have
to stop pretending to be a doctor, eh?
Says the man who doesn't know what a vitamin is and claims that vitamins
and minerals cannot cause harm.
The injuries from trauma are conditions, some of which require prolonged
treatment before recovery may occur. For instance, tell me, Glowlife
Dave, do you know what ARDS is?
--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

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Dave
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17 October 2003, 03:24 UTC #12

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In article <[email hidden]>,
Dave said:
"Orac" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:
In article <[email hidden]>,
"Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...
> > In article <[email hidden]>,
> > Dave <[email hidden]> wrote:
> > >Physicians are trained and qualified to do many things.
> > >They are not trained to heal diseases and conditions.
> >
> > What else *is* there, genius?
>
> Gunshot wounds, stabwounds, broken bones and other trauma, free

thinker.
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:

Why do you think the injuries from these do not qualify as

"conditions,"
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
fuzzy thinker?
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Thanks for the comic relief.
The only comic relief here, Glowlife Dave, is you.
Quoted message said:
I guess if you
don't
know the difference between asthma and a gunshot wound you will have
to stop pretending to be a doctor, eh?
Says the man who doesn't know what a vitamin is and claims that vitamins
and minerals cannot cause harm.
The injuries from trauma are conditions, some of which require prolonged
treatment before recovery may occur. For instance, tell me, Glowlife
Dave, do you know what ARDS is?
Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome is a lung condition like severe asthma
and emphysema. Doctors treat it until your untimely death. Ginseng has
allowed my
body to heal my severe asthma and emphsema in 4 months time. That is that
expensive, priceless stuff that you don't understand.

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Hawki63
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17 October 2003, 04:00 UTC #13

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Subject: Re: I had to stop looking
From: "Dave" [email hidden]
Date: 10/16/2003 7:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>
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When I was an asthmatic taking
Pulmocort, I continually had chest infections. Since I started taking
you surely don't think pulmocort is an antibiotic do you??
ha ha ha
hawki

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Hawki63
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17 October 2003, 04:04 UTC #14

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Subject: Re: I had to stop looking
From: "Dave" [email hidden]
Date: 10/16/2003 8:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>
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Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome is a lung condition like severe asthma
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and emphysema. Doctors treat it until your untimely death.
not even close....YOUR diseases are indeed of the chronic nature...ie secondary
to your 43 year smoking habit...
ARDS is an ACUTE illness.....and can be "healed" if the patient receives
appropriate therapy (not herbs)
hawki

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David Wright
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17 October 2003, 04:32 UTC #15

In article <[email hidden]>,
Dave said:

"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
In article <[email hidden]>,
Dave said:

"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> In article <[email hidden]>,
> Dave <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >Stuart is right, there is no challenge in finding stacks and stacks of
> >dangerous medicines and failed traditional therapies that maim and

kill
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> >every day. They even do their scientific studies of the maiming and
killing.
>
> But you're leaving out the stupid, archaic, useless or harmful
> "traditional" therapies.
>
> >I use some of the services of MD's and am grateful for them. The

problem
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
for
> >me is exemplified by the guy who wants me to accept his challenge to
> >overdose on vitamins and do what I don't know. It would be

encouaraging
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> >absurdity to ask what he thinks a vitamin is.
>
> No, the absurdity would arise when *you* tried to define what a
> vitamin is. Now *that's* entertainment.
>
> >He has accepted as "the gospel", some erroneous and deceptive
> >information from the same people who create the dangerous medicines,
> >and failed therapies that maim and kill people.
>
> Occasionally. And help them far more often. Far more often than
> sleazeball ginseng peddlers do, I might add.
>
> >Physicians are trained and qualified to do many things.
> >They are not trained to heal diseases and conditions.
>
> What else *is* there, genius?
Gunshot wounds, stabwounds, broken bones and other trauma, free thinker.
Ah, you should have made it clear that trauma wasn't a "condition" in
your lexicon.
As for their being able to treat diseases, well, you can use ginseng
next time you get a bad infection. I'll go for antibiotics.
Funny you should mention it. You will absolutely have to go for
antibiotics, and I'm certain you will. When I was an asthmatic taking
Pulmocort, I continually had chest infections.
Back when you were still smoking?
Quoted message said:
Since I started taking
the ginseng on May 22, I haven't had any chest infections. I hope you
remember to take good quality (not drug company brands) probiotics
after your antibiotics to restore the intestinal flora that the antibotics
kill.
I haven't had that problem with antibiotics in many years, not since I
was a kid in fact.
I have taken antibiotics only a few times in the last 15 years, for
ear infections and eye infections.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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Orac
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17 October 2003, 13:46 UTC #16

In article <[email hidden]>,
Dave said:
"Orac" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Says the man who doesn't know what a vitamin is and claims that vitamins
and minerals cannot cause harm.
The injuries from trauma are conditions, some of which require prolonged
treatment before recovery may occur. For instance, tell me, Glowlife
Dave, do you know what ARDS is?
Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome is a lung condition like severe asthma
and emphysema.
But what is the usual precipitating event that incites ARDS, Glowlife
Dave?
Quoted message said:
Doctors treat it until your untimely death.
No, although it is a very serious condition with significant mortality,
many people do manage to survive it.
Quoted message said:
Ginseng has
allowed my
body to heal my severe asthma and emphsema in 4 months time.
Ginseng is not going to help ARDS.
Quoted message said:
That is that
expensive, priceless stuff that you don't understand.
I understand it better than you do; that's for sure. But at least you
admit it's expensive.
--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

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D. C. Sessions
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19 October 2003, 15:42 UTC #17

In <[email hidden]>, Dave wrote:
Quoted in entirety:
Quoted message said:
"Orac" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
In article <[email hidden]>,
Dave said:
I use some of the services of MD's and am grateful for them. The problem

for
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
me is exemplified by the guy who wants me to accept his challenge to
overdose on vitamins and do what I don't know. It would be encouaraging
absurdity to ask
what he thinks a vitamin is.
At the risk of encouraging utter stupidity from you, how about you tell
us what YOU think a vitamin is.
--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"
Probably the most profound thing Dave has ever posted.
--
| "Really, I'm not out to destroy Microsoft. That will just be a |
| completely unintentional side effect. " -- Linus Torvalds |
+--------------- D. C. Sessions <[email hidden]> ----------+

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Dave
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19 October 2003, 17:42 UTC #18

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Quoted in entirety:
Quoted message said:
"Orac" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:
In article <[email hidden]>,
"Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> I use some of the services of MD's and am grateful for them. The

problem
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
for
Quoted message said:
> me is exemplified by the guy who wants me to accept his challenge to
> overdose on vitamins and do what I don't know. It would be

encouaraging
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
Quoted message said:
> absurdity to ask
> what he thinks a vitamin is.
At the risk of encouraging utter stupidity from you, how about you tell
us what YOU think a vitamin is.
Answering a question with the same question indicates that you are at a loss
for an answer. I asked the question to allow you to demonstrate that you
know
nothing about nutrients. You never disappoint me.

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