I don't give a [censored] what Lance is taking!

"TritonRider" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Since VDB gets to walk I've finally had enough. Banning riders who can

present

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a case for accidental doping, hounding Lance on suspicion, and VDB walks

is

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complete [censored].
I think that Tyler may very well be innocent, but I don't give a flying

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if he is as guilty as it gets because the rules are screwed.
Thanks USAC for the Moninger/Neben contrast and [censored] you too.
Bill Crowther

Glad I don't get that excited about top pro men, and just follow the women
for fun. I would be dissapointed if Tyler is in the cheaters club and if
most of Europe is cheating then that makes me just want to tune the men out
ever more. Like I said before, even if the ladies start juicing all over the
place I will probably still enjoy them just as much, and its much harder to
hate the ladies, they are so much fun!

B-

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Since VDB gets to walk I've finally had enough. Banning riders who can present
a case for accidental doping, hounding Lance on suspicion, and VDB walks is
complete [censored].
I think that Tyler may very well be innocent, but I don't give a flying [censored]
if he is as guilty as it gets because the rules are screwed.
Thanks USAC for the Moninger/Neben contrast and [censored] you too.

Good thing that you know what the cops found and what VDB had to tell them.

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From: [email hidden] (Tom Kunich)
Date: 11/30/2004 12:00 PM Eastern Standard Time

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Good thing that you know what the cops found and what VDB had to tell them.

I'll have to go back and look. I should've quoted the story then, but a
spokesman for the law enforcement people made it pretty clear that VDB had
refused to cooperate with the investigation. Not my words it came from a news
report that I found but not sure where now. Could be they are mistaken, but
until see something else I've got to go with it.
Bill C

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From: [email hidden] (Tom Kunich)
Date: 11/30/2004 12:00 PM Eastern Standard Time

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Good thing that you know what the cops found and what VDB had to tell them.

I'll have to go back and look. I should've quoted the story then, but a
spokesman for the law enforcement people made it pretty clear that VDB had
refused to cooperate with the investigation. Not my words it came from a news
report that I found but not sure where now. Could be they are mistaken, but
until see something else I've got to go with it.

Bill, my point was that you shouldn't jump to conclusions based on
spotty knowledge of the circumstances at the very best.

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Bill, my point was that you shouldn't jump to conclusions based on
spotty knowledge of the circumstances at the very best.

I'm really more [censored] by the fact that VDB got caught with the stuff right in
the house, refused to cooperate and is being given a slap on the wrist for it.
Compared with the "let's get Lance!" witchhunt over Simeoni.
Part of it was from CN yesterday then I went digging. Here's the bit from CN:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2004/nov04/nov30news

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The case started on February 27, 2002 when police raided Vandenbroucke's home,
finding EPO, clenbuterol, growth hormone and morphine along with other illegal
performance enhancing products. But the investigation was hard pressed to find
their source. "Vandenbroucke has swallowed a lot of junk," Mr Van Linthout was
quoted by Sportwereld as saying. "Many products came from the German and
Spanish market. There was even a brand new product that wasn't available in
Belgium yet. We would have gladly examined the dossier in greater detail and
found the big fish in the trade, but Vandenbroucke chose to be silent about
that."

Van Lindthout is the prosecutor.
I'll look for the other article I found too. I thought it was at BBC Sport but
it's not.
Bill C

Hey Bill, I'm not a sure where you stand here. Could you tell us how
you really feel? :~)

Actually didn't Gerard testify for Amber? Like hsould even be
allowed? How could he really know her? Or maybe he had gotten the
opportunity "to know her" before he testified...

Hey, but all this stuff has always been screwed. Like weren't they
serving beer at Gear Works? Hmmm, but I couldn't. You know, the ABR
didn't give a [censored] and neither did the town here, just USAC.

Oh how those rules work.

CH

[email hidden] (TritonRider) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Since VDB gets to walk I've finally had enough. Banning riders who can present
a case for accidental doping, hounding Lance on suspicion, and VDB walks is
complete [censored].
I think that Tyler may very well be innocent, but I don't give a flying [censored]
if he is as guilty as it gets because the rules are screwed.
Thanks USAC for the Moninger/Neben contrast and [censored] you too.
Bill Crowther

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From: [email hidden] (chris)

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Oh how those rules work.

CH

I'm really surprised that I don't get more [censored] than I do, but in the big
picture I don't count so I guess it's not that surprising. I expect that
eventually they'll make it clear that I need to shut up, or get with the
program. When that happens I'll be done with anything USCF related.
The whole process has got to be public, consistant, and biased in favor of
presumed innocence if at all. Anyone who has a conflict of interest needs to
take themselves out of the process when it comes up rather than use their
influence to help their friends.
Bill C

Witchhunt?

Armstrong rides in 2nd position up almost every TDF climb for several
years in a row. There are only two circumstances where he breaks his
own wind (farts and time trials).

The other members of the break have already gone on record as to what
Armstrong's threats were. He used his words not only to illegally
affect the outcome of the race, but to intimidate a witness in the
process as punishment.

Lance wants to intimidate every pro in the peloton into helping him
hold up the illusion that they are all clean. It helps him sucker new
sponsors like Discovery.

Any update on Tailwind's case against the insurance company that
refuses to pay-up for the yearly bonus?

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Bill, my point was that you shouldn't jump to conclusions based on
spotty knowledge of the circumstances at the very best.

I'm really more [censored] by the fact that VDB got caught with the stuff right in
the house, refused to cooperate and is being given a slap on the wrist for it.
Compared with the "let's get Lance!" witchhunt over Simeoni.
Part of it was from CN yesterday then I went digging. Here's the bit from CN:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2004/nov04/nov30news

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The case started on February 27, 2002 when police raided Vandenbroucke's home,
finding EPO, clenbuterol, growth hormone and morphine along with other illegal
performance enhancing products. But the investigation was hard pressed to find
their source. "Vandenbroucke has swallowed a lot of junk," Mr Van Linthout was
quoted by Sportwereld as saying. "Many products came from the German and
Spanish market. There was even a brand new product that wasn't available in
Belgium yet. We would have gladly examined the dossier in greater detail and
found the big fish in the trade, but Vandenbroucke chose to be silent about
that."

Van Lindthout is the prosecutor.
I'll look for the other article I found too. I thought it was at BBC Sport but
it's not.
Bill C

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Lance wants to intimidate every pro in the peloton into helping him
hold up the illusion that they are all clean. It helps him sucker new
sponsors like Discovery.

I doubt if very many of them require intimidation. Anyway it should be
interesting to watch Armstrong trying to intimidate Cippolini or Backstedt.

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The other members of the break have already gone on record as to what
Armstrong's threats were. He used his words not only to illegally
affect the outcome of the race, but to intimidate a witness in the
process as punishment.

Say, that's pretty good. Do you shingle roofs or dig ditches for a living?

Hey, you're preaching to the choir. I have a buddy who missed a test;
partly his fault, partly USAC's fault for not posting the call up for
controls (they were fine by the UCI for this), and paid heavily for
it. Meanwhile, Fuentes drags it out months, socking away the loot...

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From: [email hidden] (chris)

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Oh how those rules work.

CH

I'm really surprised that I don't get more [censored] than I do, but in the big
picture I don't count so I guess it's not that surprising. I expect that
eventually they'll make it clear that I need to shut up, or get with the
program. When that happens I'll be done with anything USCF related.
The whole process has got to be public, consistant, and biased in favor of
presumed innocence if at all. Anyone who has a conflict of interest needs to
take themselves out of the process when it comes up rather than use their
influence to help their friends.
Bill C

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From: [email hidden] (chris)

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Hey, you're preaching to the choir.

I've really got to adjust my circle of friends. Talking civilly and getting
along with either you or Lafferty is definitely walking on thin ice, as you
well know. But [censored] I say good things about both of you, I think that's a
capital crime.
Bill C