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  1. For the past month I've done some different riding. I've mostly been on the road, and as a result, I've been around a ton of roadies (I live in the city). So my training/riding has mostly been chasing down roadies and bridging when they try to take off on me (on my MTB). I've been sucessful in bridging guys who have told me that they're Cat 1, 2. Of course, it's been very painful. I can't say that I'm not proud of myself. Whether it's warranted or not is another question.

    I have also been doing some mountain biking with a few guys. They all do triathalons and ride rode as well. I am able to keep up on the flats because I've been doing that kind of training. On the climbs, however, they are flying. I am able to keep up, but I am Zone 4,5, and they seem to be breathing fine. At this point, my legs are not restricting me, my lungs are. Conversely, on the road I am mostly zone 3,4 and I am fighting my legs, not my lungs. The guy I rode with yesterday says he usually finishes about 8th in sport MTB races. I figure that I would be behind him, since he would likely leave me on the climbs.

    I've been training for two months now. I don't follow a training plan, although I know I should. I'm riding about 4, 5 times a week 9 - 13 hours. And most of this training is zone 3. When I'm off-road, I push myself to 4-5.

    I know I haven't asked a specific question, but at this point I don't know what to do. There is a MTB race this weekend, and the guy I rode with is going. That being said, I should expect not to do that well. Should I even bother going? Wait and try to peak for next season?

    I assume that I should work on my climbing, but how do I measure progress without using a power meter? Should I just do TT's? Any general tips or advice on getting that faster? I feel as if I've reached a plateau and I'm not improving. Thanks a lot for your time.

  2. Strumpetto said:

    So my training/riding has mostly been chasing down roadies and bridging when they try to take off on me (on my MTB). I've been sucessful in bridging guys who have told me that they're Cat 1, 2.

    How long are you hanging with them? If it is only for a few minutes, and then you go real easy, you are probably not getting the maximum training benefit as you would if doing intervals or riding at your own endurance pace.
    I ride road with some mid-pack cat 4 guys who routinely podium the sport class MTB races they do a few times a year. Honestly, if you can hang with a cat 2 who is hammering for 5+ minutes, while you are riding a mountain bike, I think you would have the fitness to dominate any sport class mtb race in the country - assuming you don't have atrocious riding skills.

    Strumpetto said:


    I have also been doing some mountain biking with a few guys. They all do triathalons and ride rode as well. I am able to keep up on the flats because I've been doing that kind of training. On the climbs, however, they are flying. I am able to keep up, but I am Zone 4,5, and they seem to be breathing fine. At this point, my legs are not restricting me, my lungs are.


    Forget about heart rate on your mountain bike rides. Mountain bike racing is all about repeated hard efforts on the up-hills, and recovering as much as you can on the flats and descents. The key is being able to mentally gauge the effort necessary to make it to the top of a climb without blowing up. Trying to stay in zone 4/5 on a mountain bike is a mistake. Out here there are climbs that simply can't be made, even by elite riders, without a hard anaerobic effort. Sure, you can get off and walk, but expect to get passed by the guys that can make the climb.

    Strumpetto said:


    I've been training for two months now. I don't follow a training plan, although I know I should.


    I've ridden with fast experts who do little to no structured training, only long, fast, and technical trail rides. Their bike handling skills and speed are phenomenal, they have no wasted movement on climbs and technical sections, their fitness is good - but not exceptional. My point is there are other ways to get fast on a mountain bike besides riding road, heart rate monitors, and power meters. Riding with these guys really drove home for me that I needed to spend more time working on trail riding skills and less time on the road.

    Strumpetto said:


    There is a MTB race this weekend, and the guy I rode with is going. That being said, I should expect not to do that well. Should I even bother going? Wait and try to peak for next season?

    I assume that I should work on my climbing, but how do I measure progress without using a power meter? Should I just do TT's? Any general tips or advice on getting that faster? I feel as if I've reached a plateau and I'm not improving.


    Do the race, with the goal of having fun. You need to race to figure out what you need to work on. For me I was always getting passed on the downhills, and swapping places throughout the race with guys I would pass on the climbs. I started trail riding at least 2x per week on gnarly steep, rocky, rooty trails. My last race I never got passed by anyone who wasn't in expert/pro (they are wicked fast!), and managed my first finish on the podium in sport.
    In the off season concentrate on building a strong aerobic engine and riding skills. 20 minute intervals, in sets of 2 or 3, at or just below the hardest [font=Verdana]constant[/font] pace (SST or L4 on these forums) you can maintain for the interval duration are a common prescription. Do 3+ sessions of these a week and you will get faster. Fast trail rides on your mountain bike, with hard sprints up the hills will take care of everything else.
    TT's, both on road and trail, are a very good way to gauge progress. And at your age with two months of training there is absolutely no way you have reached a plateau.

  3. Have you tried 5x5s on a trainer or 5 minute hill repeats? I had a hard time doing them at first which meant I needed to do them more. If your legs seem to run out of gas try doing a 2.5 to 3 hour ride on Saturdays at high tempo pace if you have trouble doing that it probably means you need it.

    Strumpetto said:

    For the past month I've done some different riding. I've mostly been on the road, and as a result, I've been around a ton of roadies (I live in the city). So my training/riding has mostly been chasing down roadies and bridging when they try to take off on me (on my MTB). I've been sucessful in bridging guys who have told me that they're Cat 1, 2. Of course, it's been very painful. I can't say that I'm not proud of myself. Whether it's warranted or not is another question.

    I have also been doing some mountain biking with a few guys. They all do triathalons and ride rode as well. I am able to keep up on the flats because I've been doing that kind of training. On the climbs, however, they are flying. I am able to keep up, but I am Zone 4,5, and they seem to be breathing fine. At this point, my legs are not restricting me, my lungs are. Conversely, on the road I am mostly zone 3,4 and I am fighting my legs, not my lungs. The guy I rode with yesterday says he usually finishes about 8th in sport MTB races. I figure that I would be behind him, since he would likely leave me on the climbs.

    I've been training for two months now. I don't follow a training plan, although I know I should. I'm riding about 4, 5 times a week 9 - 13 hours. And most of this training is zone 3. When I'm off-road, I push myself to 4-5.

    I know I haven't asked a specific question, but at this point I don't know what to do. There is a MTB race this weekend, and the guy I rode with is going. That being said, I should expect not to do that well. Should I even bother going? Wait and try to peak for next season?

    I assume that I should work on my climbing, but how do I measure progress without using a power meter? Should I just do TT's? Any general tips or advice on getting that faster? I feel as if I've reached a plateau and I'm not improving. Thanks a lot for your time.

  4. Do the race. It will be fun.

  5. Thanks for all the great replies. I am usually with the roadies for a four mile stretch. Sometimes I follow for another four miles depending on my route.
    On that note, bridging on the road is so much easier than trail riding, because all I have to worry about is catching up. On the other hand, when on the trails, not only do you have to worry about catching up, but you have to worry about all the gnarly stuff in front of you. It might be psychological.

    My technical skills are above average. One guy on my university team won't ride with me because I am too much of a "maniac." However, the guy I rode with was a sick rider, too. I assumed he raced expert because he was so fast, but he insisted that he rides sport. So I don't know what to think. I don't see why he would lie to me. One thing I did notice is that he seemed to be straining on the climbs. That is, he was out of the saddle and pumping a hard gear very slowly near the top. I am always seated. I'm really not sure what to think of the guy. He'll be at the race on saturday. It's possible he just blows up and I didnt get to see it while riding with him. He just seemed far more fit than a sport rider.

    Cat 4 guys are winning sport? Jeese.

    My TT on a flat 5 mile road course is 11 min 23's on a mountain bike.

    Something is up here. Either I'm grossly overestimating my abilities and losing my mind, or, well I don't know what.

    Thanks for the interval advice. I will get on that. Although, I have been repeating certain climbs at perceived race pace.

    I will do the race. However, I don't have fun racing. It's self-prescribed suffering, but I guess it's that way for everyone. 🙂

    Good luck to everyone!

    Thanks again!

  6. Strumpetto said:


    Something is up here. Either I'm grossly overestimating my abilities and losing my mind, or, well I don't know what.

    You are likely overestimating your abilities if you beleive you can hang with a cat 1/2 pack for a substantial length of time - while riding your mountain bike. 😉
    You are likely *not* overestimating your abilities if you beleive you can compete well in a sport class mountain bike race.

  7. strader said:

    You are likely overestimating your abilities if you beleive you can hang with a cat 1/2 pack for a substantial length of time - while riding your mountain bike. 😉
    You are likely *not* overestimating your abilities if you beleive you can compete well in a sport class mountain bike race.


    Likely the case. I'll let you guys know how the race turns out.

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