Hypothyroidism

rainbow said:

Is it possible to have diabetes n hypothyroidis together.
I am not looking for a diagnosis, just if anyone can tell
me if this is so. I had

Yes. I am one example in this newsgroup. I am aware of at
least one other who will no doubt speak up.

Diagnosis is simple: measure the TSH in your blood. However,
some doctors will say "normal" is 0.4 to 4.9 even though the
AACE has finally agreed that normal is 0.3 to 3.0 and many
"experts" have convincing arguments for normal being very
close to 1.0 for most people.

In my case, when my TSH is over 4.0 I have the symptoms.
When I get it near 1.0, the symptoms go away.

See also alt.support.thyroid

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George Verwer

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Subject: Hypothyroidism
From: [email hidden] (rainbow)
Date: 5/26/2004 8:29 PM Mountain Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Is it possible to have diabetes n hypothyroidis together. I
am not looking for a diagnosis, just if anyone can tell me
if this is so. I had a t-scan really a long ago that was
alright, but borderline. I was in the docs ofc with a
friend and read an article on hypothyroidism that anwered
alot of unanswerd questions, about symptoms I have, that
were ignored by my endo, and I was told not to self
diagnose. I wasn't doing that, but jus happned at that time
to have read up on it, like now. This was an article on
identifying hypothyroidism. There ia a possibility that all
my problems that aren't dealt with, could be this. It would
explain a great deal of things that seem weird for
diabetes. I match the symptom list and so does my sister,
EXACTLY. Does diabetes mimic this. I know my own doc won't
answer these questions, even before I ask. Anybody know ?
Could this be right ? Rainbow

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On Wed, 26 May 2004 19:29:23 -0700, [email hidden] (rainbow)

Quoted message said:

Is it possible to have diabetes n hypothyroidis together. I
am not looking for a diagnosis, just if anyone can tell me
if this is so. I had a t-scan really a long ago that was
alright, but borderline. I was in the docs ofc with a
friend and read an article on hypothyroidism that anwered
alot of unanswerd questions, about symptoms I have, that
were ignored by my endo, and I was told not to self
diagnose. I wasn't doing that, but jus happned at that time
to have read up on it, like now. This was an article on
identifying hypothyroidism. There ia a possibility that all
my problems that aren't dealt with, could be this. It would
explain a great deal of things that seem weird for
diabetes. I match the symptom list and so does my sister,
EXACTLY. Does diabetes mimic this. I know my own doc won't
answer these questions, even before I ask. Anybody know ?
Could this be right ? Rainbow

Whatever causes thyroid problems can also cause diabetes
mellitus, addison' disease. I have a hyper thyroid and
diabetes mellitus, and was told I would normally be
considered as having addison's but my cortisol levels
are too low.

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thyroid-fed.orgpatients.htmlOpen ↗ Do you have a
family history of thyroid disease and/or diabetes?

Please note the above symptoms are extensive in order to
present the "whole picture". You probably won't have all of
these symptoms. Seniors usually present atypically so TSH
testing is very important. Early diagnosis with a simple TSH
blood test followed by correct treatment will prevent
serious complications.

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henryfordhealth.orgbody.cfmOpen ↗
play&articlenum=378

Risk factors for the autoimmune type of Addison´s disease
include other autoimmune diseases:

type I diabetes hypoparathyroidism hypopituitarism
pernicious anemia testicular dysfunction Graves´ disease
chronic thyroiditis candidiasis dermatis herpetiformis
vitiligo myasthenia gravis
**************

Notice diabetes and hypoparathyroidism listed together.
Under active thyroids tend to make you overweight, and
obesity causes then type 2 diabetes.

I have talked to people who have started meds for
underactive, then gotten better including losing weight.

"rainbow" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Is it possible to have diabetes n hypothyroidis together.
I am not looking for a diagnosis, just if anyone can tell
me if this is so. I had a t-scan really a long ago that
was alright, but borderline. I was in the docs ofc with a
friend and read an article on hypothyroidism that anwered
alot of unanswerd questions, about symptoms I have, that
were ignored by my endo, and I was told not to self
diagnose. I wasn't doing that, but jus happned at that
time to have read up on it, like now. This was an article
on identifying hypothyroidism. There ia a possibility that
all my problems that aren't dealt with, could be this. It
would explain a great deal of things that seem weird for
diabetes. I match the symptom list and so does my sister,
EXACTLY. Does diabetes mimic this. I know my own doc won't
answer these questions, even before I ask. Anybody know ?
Could this be right ?

I don't think a thyroid problem can mimic diabetes, but it
certainly can make your diabetes harder to control.

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I don;t post so often that people remember what my walk thru
diabets has been like, but to say the least of it, I have
long thought that some "else" might be wrong. I just read an
extensive article in a doc's ofc. yesterday and dadgummit, i
knew all along I was right. I could not get even one
overworked arrogant docs to list to me. The symptoms i was
presenting "could" be caused from something else. Minly the
pigeonhoe they wanted me in. Heaven forbid i might show them
up or poit out their lack of interest in finding the root
causes of so many problems. It;s kinda like the one doc who
accused me of "lying" about losiing weight with out weight
loss drugs, and the one who just wanted to give me
antidepressants without a good reason. Heaven forbidI got
into reading and figures out better questions to ask .. what
was I a smarty pants for doingthis !? Just who do I think I
am learning off the internet ? Oh and the worst, was I
trying to say they don;t know what they are talking about
... NO. I am just so concerned and aware of my ow body,
trying to safe my little ol' life ... I could be wrong,
odcourse, but hypothyroidism does answer some of the
questions. For example, sensitivity to cold. This was
brushed off because I was 114lbs fter being 230lbs. I didnt
hav enough fat to keep me warm, wear more clothes .. yeah
right, cold when it is 115 degrees outside ... I had to
acclimate to new body issues ... drier skin than I ought to
have, because the desert is drier, use more lotion. I did
have the power to stand up againt this [censored], cause i did't
know better and now I realize my self weight loss is really
extraordinary, considering what I think may be the cause of
some of my problems. I just remembered that a woman I used
to know had a similar thing and it was resolved. Too bad her
doc is in New Jersey ! I know I am going to "start
something", but is there any "natural way" to do something
about this. Rainbow

My Cardiologist is the one who diagnosed me with Diabetes.
He just happen to ask how I was feeling and I gave him my
symptoms. He said I either had Diabetes or Thyroid problems.
But when my A1c came back very high, the Thyroid problems
were overlooked. Case closed.

It took 2 more years of asking for Thyroid tests and being
told "they were normal" before I could get a Dr. to listen
to me that I was "not feeling normal". I had to be
persistent.

Julie E.

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Quoted message said:

Is it possible to have diabetes n hypothyroidis together.
I am not looking for a diagnosis, just if anyone can tell
me if this is so. I had a t-scan really a long ago that
was alright, but borderline. I was in the docs ofc with a
friend and read an article on hypothyroidism that anwered
alot of unanswerd questions, about symptoms I have, that
were ignored by my endo, and I was told not to self
diagnose. I wasn't doing that, but jus happned at that
time to have read up on it, like now. This was an article
on identifying hypothyroidism. There ia a possibility that
all my problems that aren't dealt with, could be this. It
would explain a great deal of things that seem weird for
diabetes. I match the symptom list and so does my sister,
EXACTLY. Does diabetes mimic this. I know my own doc won't
answer these questions, even before I ask. Anybody know ?
Could this be right ? Rainbow

"rainbow" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Is it possible to have diabetes n hypothyroidis together.

Yep.

I am not

Quoted message said:

looking for a diagnosis, just if anyone can tell me if
this is so. I had a t-scan really a long ago that was
alright, but borderline. I was in the docs ofc with a
friend and read an article on hypothyroidism that anwered
alot of unanswerd questions, about symptoms I have, that
were ignored by my endo, and I was told not to self
diagnose. I wasn't doing that, but jus happned at that
time to have read up on it, like now. This was an article
on identifying hypothyroidism. There ia a possibility that
all my problems that aren't dealt with, could be this. It
would explain a great deal of things that seem weird for
diabetes. I match the symptom list and so does my sister,
EXACTLY. Does diabetes mimic this.

Some of the symptoms of hypothyroidism are similar to
diabetes, more so if the diabetes is being treated though.
Weight gain (insulin doesn't help in keeping weight under
control) and lethargy spring to mind.

I know my own doc won't answer these questions, even
before

Quoted message said:

I ask. Anybody know ? Could this be right ?

I wouldn't like to say that you have either, but a blood
test will. Maybe you can arrange for one without going
through your doc?

Beav

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Quoted message said:

Whatever causes thyroid problems can also cause diabetes
mellitus, addison' disease. I have a hyper thyroid and
diabetes mellitus, and was told I would normally be
considered as having addison's but my cortisol levels are
too low.

*****************************

I thought low cortisol was a sign of AD. (& looked it up at
nlm.nih.gov000378.htmOpen ↗)
I know I gave my Addisonian dog a cortisone med. bj

On Fri, 28 May 2004 18:48:32 GMT, "bj" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

"MuscleMan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Whatever causes thyroid problems can also cause diabetes
mellitus, addison' disease. I have a hyper thyroid and
diabetes mellitus, and was told I would normally be
considered as having addison's but my cortisol levels are
too low.

*****************************

I thought low cortisol was a sign of AD. (& looked it up at
nlm.nih.gov000378.htmOpen ↗)
I know I gave my Addisonian dog a cortisone med. bj

I'm telling you what Dr Boyle, one of ten principal
investigators, of the DCCT, told me.

I just looked, and you are right .He must have lied to me...

henryfordhealth.orgbody.cfmOpen ↗
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I just wanted to add a couple of things. Here in Vegas we
are having trouble with malpractice issues. It doesn;t
excuse docs from the CYA attitude that seems to be so large
here. And i have heard so many of the ones i saw last year
and year before, complaining about being overworked .. one
used it as an excuse to me about someting that went wrong
with a dx of something with me ... My mom had a doc she
loved. Read, past tense. He was great in the beginning, but
he has begun to be a very large problem, to us, and it is
about CYA issues ( cover your ass ). It was't until a recent
incident, that we realized how far back this issue goes. He
has begun to slack off ... he is prescribing things that
maybe are not as necessary and he has begun to do some
pretty fancy CYA things. Mom is 80. I think he looks more at
that than anyting else, and she is unusual, for her age. She
doesn;t really require much of him. He tends to make her go
for tests, that quite frankly are only ncesary if you
pigeonhole her with all the others her age. She told him off
last month, because hso office staff has screwed her up so
many times in recent memory. We went for aome tests for her
yesterday and I am not sure she really needed the. it;s not
the money, but the fear it puts in her and the physical
strain. Every test for whatever reason, has been negative
fro the past 2 or three years. Heaven forbid he didn't spend
enough time talking to her and answering her questions, and
really examining her ... he has made sure the tests are done
so he doesn;t hang himself with a missed diagnosis. It has
nothing to do with serving her at all. It is purely self
protection. He just brushes off most of her complaints
because she is old. He missed. completely, an allergic
reaction, she had to something, and thought we were all just
over-wrought. That one landed her in ther ER. It cost us a
small fortune. And she was in a lot of pain. Could have been
avoided. The symptoms of the side effect are in their
national ad campaign. I do not know how it is for the rest
of you out there, but here in Vegas, we seem to be having
this problem where docs are so afraid of being sued, the
person they look out for more, is themselves. At least twice
last year and year before, I had problems dealing with this.
They seem to be dependent on the fact that you'll do what
they say and you haven't done your homework on what you
think is wrong. There;snothing wrong with a little info. But
I am seriously annoyed with the ones wh expect you to just
do what they say, when they don't think you have gottn up
tospeed with info. There are a couple of things, namely, my
eyes, that have suffered because if this attitude of "you're
a patient, whatthe hell do you know?" I don;t want anyoneto
think I am a know it all, just VERY aware of myself and my
body. The doc who started the chain reaction of questonable
care i got, I will never forget. She made me feel like an
idiot ... and I knew she was wrong. After 2 visits, we
divorced. The ones that followed, weren't much better. By
the time i found one that would listen to me, i was in
serious trouble again. Everything happens for a reason.
That's why I just happened to go to the doc with ma
yesterday and happened to read that article. Rainbow

And THIS is the point that burns my ass so big. Why oh why
do I have to play "head games" with the doc while my
precious eyesight and health went to hell. Which one of us
turns out to be the jackass for letting it be, me for
letting them do it to me or them for being so arrogant that
they don't listen and do nothing. I swear, I think they wait
till you are half dead and require much more service to get
well than if they had just done something in the beginning
so you could get on with it. Sometimes I think they take you
down as far as you can go so you will require more service
and need them more so you have to spend far more money.
Honeybunch

I hope you won;t get angry, but yeppers, i am going to get
the bloodwork, the same way I got my bloodwork last year
when the doc refused it. I had been arguing about the weight
gain issue and whe said it w because i eaing too much, and I
was concerned about my numbers, and she refused to give me a
referal for the hba1c bloodwork. So when she did finally
give me a referal sheet for the lab, I just checked off all
the things I wanted. I am going to do the same thing here.
She didn't even remember refusing, and read me the whole
report on the next visit. I have already found out which
boxes to check. I can't get in without a referal sheet. The
place they use will give me the results with ID if I go in
person to pick them up. They are just a couple of blocks
away. Then we'll see. Rainbow

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I hope you won;t get angry, but yeppers, i am going to get
the bloodwork, the same way I got my bloodwork last year
when the doc refused it. I had been arguing about the
weight gain issue and whe said it w because i eaing too
much, and I was concerned about my numbers, and she
refused to give me a referal for the hba1c bloodwork. So
when she did finally give me a referal sheet for the lab,
I just checked off all the things I wanted. I am going to
do the same thing here.

Why would anyone get angry over you doing that Rainbow?
In your position, I'd do exactly the same thing. My
health is more important that some [censored] doctors ego,
THAT'S for sure.

She

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didn't even remember refusing, and read me the whole
report on the next visit.

I'd be surprised if she HAD remembered.

I have already found out which boxes to check. I can't get
in

Quoted message said:

without a referal sheet. The place they use will give me
the results with ID if I go in person to pick them up.
They are just a couple of blocks away. Then we'll see.

And so will we when you let us know the results.:-)

Beav

"MuscleMan" <[email hidden]> wrote ...

Quoted message said:

Whatever causes thyroid problems can also cause diabetes
mellitus,

addison' disease. I have a hyper thyroid and diabetes
mellitus, and was told I would normally be considered as
having addison's but my cortisol levels are too low.

bj said:

I thought low cortisol was a sign of AD. (& looked it up
at nlm.nih.gov000378Open ↗
.htm) I know I gave my Addisonian dog a cortisone med.

"MuscleMan" <[email hidden]> wrote ...

Quoted message said:

I'm telling you what Dr Boyle, one of ten principal
investigators, of the

DCCT, told me.

Quoted message said:

I just looked, and you are right .He must have lied
to me...

Maybe he merely misspoke. It happens. bj

Quoted message said:

"MuscleMan" <[email hidden]> wrote ...

Quoted message said:

Whatever causes thyroid problems can also cause diabetes
mellitus,

To be sure, some kinds of diabetes and some kinds of thyroid
problems are auto-immune syndromes and can be related. But
others apparently are not.

--
Wes Groleau "Would the prodigal have gone home if the elder
brother was running the farm?" -- James Jordan